NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Theregulars]

5 hours ago, cubaricho said:

Is this how y'all talk at the pub to your mates or would you be embarrassed to voice these opinions face to face?  

“This is my mate Barry, he’s a cunt”. 

[80]

6 hours ago, Ronson333 said:

 

God it's like the spirit of Freddy Shepherd lives on in him. When you're making signings to make statements, you're losing.

 

@timeEd32's post earlier about the sheer range of possible explanations for what's going on at the moment, and the lack of sense in assuming any of them are exclusively true, is spot on, by the way.

 

The idea of the club holding out on spending and thinking of having a super splurge next year - probably under a new manager - has crossed my mind. But it's way too premature to start shouting about it and, as he says, only destabilising the situation, probably unnecessarily.

 

 

Edited Monday at 23:41 by 80

[KaKa]

5 hours ago, 80 said:

God it's like the spirit of Freddy Shepherd lives on in him. When you're making signings to make statements, you're losing.

 

@timeEd32's post earlier about the sheer range of possible explanations for what's going on at the moment, and the lack of sense in assuming any of them are exclusively true, is spot on, by the way.

 

The idea of the club holding out on spending and thinking of having a super splurge next year - probably under a new manager - has crossed my mind. But it's way too premature to start shouting about it and, as he says, only destabilising the situation, probably unnecessarily.

 

 

 

 

Hated the 'statement signing' talk from Shearer.

[soyt]

Statement signing or not, but surely we need at least 2 players in. I don't see the need to sugarcoat anything, yes the new regime has been pretty much spot on so far, but if there is no movement in this window, then this summer has been a failure. There was the panic to sell and now this. You just have to strengthen to keep the momentum going. We all know the areas that are in desperate need of upgrading. You don't want the squad to get stagnated, it needs to be pushed. 

 

Who was it that said something like "The influx of new players is the lifeline of a club"? 

 

I don't see that much wrong in what Shearer is saying, i can understand why some are making the conclusion that all is not well behind the scenes.

 

But yeah, i am still hoping for the best, let us wait until the end of the window.
 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:13 by soyt

[ExiledGeordie]

I get where Shearer is coming from though. I doubt he’s suggesting we bring in any old popcorn signing a la Shepherd back in the day, more genuine quality to push the team on. To finish the window without bringing in any nailed on starting players for the first team and failing to strengthen either of the two areas that every man and his dog knows needed strengthening is hardly a good look and questions will rightly be asked.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:46 by ExiledGeordie

[Nucasol]

The “poor sellers” aspect of the window has been the thing that’s grated. How a team that’s finished 4th and 7th can’t shift its fringe players beyond its most exciting potential winger and a PSR scam remains a puzzler. No appetite to sell, too high wages, manager wanting to keep them? Answers on a postcard please. 

 

Let’s see what the last couple of days bring but the window has been underperformance in terms of both ins and outs.

[Whitley mag]

What to expect from Newcastle’s final week of the transfer window

 

Exits are possible but Newcastle are waiting for dominoes to fall

Mark Douglas

 

Newcastle United are trying to do two deals before the end of the transfer window as they kick off a pivotal week that will set the tone for the season ahead.

There is no doubting the importance of the next few days for the club’s key figures after a tense and occasionally fractious summer at St James’ Park. Deals have been tough, Profitability and Sustainability Regulations (PSR) taxing and disagreements have bubbled under the surface but no players who lift the level of the starting XI emphatically have arrived.

That is significant given it is now 38 days since Eddie Howe, reflecting on whether the dynamic with new director of football Paul Mitchell could work, said the “transfer window is absolutely massive”.

The mood in the club’s new executive set-up is said to remain calm but finally brokering a deal for a centre-back – with Crystal Palace’s Marc Guehi still the top target and dialogue ongoing over the structure of a proposed £65m move – is a minimum requirement.

The second deal, much more difficult to do and perhaps reliant on outgoings, is a right winger with eyes now said to have turned overseas on that front after domestic targets were priced out of their reach. There are no guarantees on that front.

Other deals – they admire James Trafford of Burnley and see him as a potential long-term successor to Nick Pope while younger players who may be loaned back to their clubs have been looked at all summer – appear less likely given time and PSR constraints.

Exits are possible but Newcastle are waiting for dominoes to fall. Kieran Trippier’s cameo at Bournemouth emphasised his importance to the group and Howe is hopeful of preventing his departure, with no firm bids for him at this point. 

There has been no fresh interest in Miguel Almiron, another player Newcastle would allow to leave for the right price.

One message percolating from the top is how difficult it is to get players capable of substantially improving a decent first XI and how throwing money at the situation for the wrong profile of incoming is pointless but to put it bluntly: doing nothing is not an option. 

There would be major questions to ask if, for the second transfer window running, no ready-made first team additions were added to Howe’s squad.

“It’s one of the most important weeks for the club since the takeover,” Alex Hurst, host of the True Faith podcast and former chair of the Newcastle United Supporters Trust (NUST), tells i.

“You can lose a season in a week and this one is absolutely massive for Newcastle. Four points from two games is a good return but I don’t think we’ve been hugely convincing in either and it could easily be zero points.

“The League Cup game is huge and then the club need to help Eddie [Howe] by bringing in new players and selling some other ones. I think if they don’t do that there will be an increasing number of people asking what the direction of the club and the ambition and overall aims are.”

For Mitchell, who has been at the club since the start of July, this is a long-term project, and allies argue that he needs times to embed his systems and way of working. But having been brought in to shake up the way Newcastle recruit – and as a specialist in the area – he has to deliver.

Part of that might be taking things to the wire to get the Magpies the best possible deals – every £5m has a big impact on PSR headroom – but he will inevitably be judged on the outcome of the Guehi deal that has dragged on and who walks through the door before Friday.

There are alternatives but the optimistic links with Bayer Leverkusen’s Edmond Tapsoba can almost certainly put to bed with the Bundesligaclub not contemplating a sale and the player happy to remain in Germany.

“Whether it’s fair or not, it’s a massive week for Paul Mitchell,” Hurst says.

“When he was brought to the club above Eddie Howe the one thing they had to do was deliver – and quickly – but that hasn’t happened yet. And it feels as if there’s a lot riding on Guehi because whatever happens, they’ve spent a month chasing him.

“If they don’t get him, it won’t look good so there is that element of pressure on.”

Whatever happens it feels as if Newcastle’s recruitment processes probably need studying. 

Player trading is key in the PSR world, but they remain sluggish sellers, unable – so far – to even find a buyer for Ryan Fraser.

A slew of contracts up for renewal in 2025 mean an overhaul is around the corner but there is another transfer window and a critical week before then.

Why Newcastle still primarily shop in the domestic market when they have invested heavily on beefing up global scouting networks also seems like a viable question for the future. 

Since signing Sandro Tonali, their last eight signings have arrived from English teams.

[Matt1892]

4 more days before the transfer window slams shut!

 

[Barnes23]

Cheers for posting. Think all of the talk of pressure and of potential disillusionment in the decision makers on the part of the fanbase is, hopefully, overstated.

 

Not surprised to see Alex Hurst feeding the media sensationalism though, not sure why anyone would give a fuck about what he has to say. 

[Nucasol]

Just now, Barnes23 said:

Cheers for posting. Think all of the talk of pressure and of potential disillusionment in the decision makers on the part of the fanbase is, hopefully, overstated.

 

Not surprised to see Alex Hurst feeding the media sensationalism though, not sure why anyone would give a fuck about what he has to say. 

Hodor-k.

[ExiledGeordie]

1 minute ago, Barnes23 said:

Cheers for posting. Think all of the talk of pressure and of potential disillusionment in the decision makers on the part of the fanbase is, hopefully, overstated.

 

Not surprised to see Alex Hurst feeding the media sensationalism though, not sure why anyone would give a fuck about what he has to say. 

Yeah I’m not sure Hurst should be the barometer for nufc fans but in this case I agree with him. It is a massive week for the club and Eales/Mitchel in particular. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Feels to me like 3 powerful atoms are bouncing off each other in EH, PM & DE - all vying for more control, its also apparent to me since Mandy left were feeling a lot more corporate / confused & the feel good factor is waining somewhat, I think I appreciate the need for the corporate shift but still feels a little uncomfortable.

Egos can often anchor progress in the pursuit of power & if as reported EH didn't know about the Mitchell appointment until just before announced I kind of understand the apparent in cohesion between the 3

I will put on record again, I don't think Eales is the answer but happy to be proven wrong

As an aside, anyone seen Yasir recently ? 

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:16 by RUHRLYASLEEVESUP

[KingArthur]

To be honest, we have absolutely no idea what kind of chemistry is between Howe, Mitchell and Eales. Assuming the worst is not usually the best thing.

 

We will make 1-2 signings before friday, I am still sure of that.

[Zero]

If that “minimum requirement” of signing 1 player is true, who should we held accountable when this is not met in the end? 

[gdm]

I honestly think we’ll buy one player. We’ll cave and sort a deal for Guehi and that’ll be it and in my opinion it won’t be good enough but spending £70m on Guehi will satisfy most.

[maze]

38 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Feels to me like 3 powerful atoms are bouncing off each other in EH, PM & DE - all vying for more control, its also apparent to me since Mandy left were feeling a lot more corporate / confused & the feel good factor is waining somewhat, I think I appreciate the need for the corporate shift but still feels a little uncomfortable.

Egos can often anchor progress in the pursuit of power & if as reported EH didn't know about the Mitchell appointment until just before announced I kind of understand the apparent in cohesion between the 3

I will put on record again, I don't think Eales is the answer but happy to be proven wrong

As an aside, anyone seen Yasir recently ? 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely not for me. We needed Mandy and still do. 

[Stottie]

I think we'll get one or two players in, but stuff about needing to do so as a "statement" is bollocks. Last year, we signed a midfielder from a CL semifinalist. That is a bigger "statement" than Marc Guehi. So was Bruno the year before, given that he was supposed to be an Arsenal or Liverpool player.

 

Its frustrating not getting the players we want and our owners can afford, but this is how FFP/PSR works. Sky's coverage of the Liverpool game the other day should tell you how they feel about football being a closed shop. The City trial could blow a big hole in the associated party transactions thing and in FFP also, so we'll just have to wait and see. This summer might be as bad as it gets for clubs like us wanting to spend out of ambition.

 

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, Whitley mag said:

What to expect from Newcastle’s final week of the transfer window

 

Exits are possible but Newcastle are waiting for dominoes to fall

Mark Douglas

 

Newcastle United are trying to do two deals before the end of the transfer window as they kick off a pivotal week that will set the tone for the season ahead.

There is no doubting the importance of the next few days for the club’s key figures after a tense and occasionally fractious summer at St James’ Park. Deals have been tough, Profitability and Sustainability Regulations (PSR) taxing and disagreements have bubbled under the surface but no players who lift the level of the starting XI emphatically have arrived.

That is significant given it is now 38 days since Eddie Howe, reflecting on whether the dynamic with new director of football Paul Mitchell could work, said the “transfer window is absolutely massive”.

The mood in the club’s new executive set-up is said to remain calm but finally brokering a deal for a centre-back – with Crystal Palace’s Marc Guehi still the top target and dialogue ongoing over the structure of a proposed £65m move – is a minimum requirement.

The second deal, much more difficult to do and perhaps reliant on outgoings, is a right winger with eyes now said to have turned overseas on that front after domestic targets were priced out of their reach. There are no guarantees on that front.

Other deals – they admire James Trafford of Burnley and see him as a potential long-term successor to Nick Pope while younger players who may be loaned back to their clubs have been looked at all summer – appear less likely given time and PSR constraints.

Exits are possible but Newcastle are waiting for dominoes to fall. Kieran Trippier’s cameo at Bournemouth emphasised his importance to the group and Howe is hopeful of preventing his departure, with no firm bids for him at this point. 

There has been no fresh interest in Miguel Almiron, another player Newcastle would allow to leave for the right price.

One message percolating from the top is how difficult it is to get players capable of substantially improving a decent first XI and how throwing money at the situation for the wrong profile of incoming is pointless but to put it bluntly: doing nothing is not an option. 

There would be major questions to ask if, for the second transfer window running, no ready-made first team additions were added to Howe’s squad.

“It’s one of the most important weeks for the club since the takeover,” Alex Hurst, host of the True Faith podcast and former chair of the Newcastle United Supporters Trust (NUST), tells i.

“You can lose a season in a week and this one is absolutely massive for Newcastle. Four points from two games is a good return but I don’t think we’ve been hugely convincing in either and it could easily be zero points.

“The League Cup game is huge and then the club need to help Eddie [Howe] by bringing in new players and selling some other ones. I think if they don’t do that there will be an increasing number of people asking what the direction of the club and the ambition and overall aims are.”

For Mitchell, who has been at the club since the start of July, this is a long-term project, and allies argue that he needs times to embed his systems and way of working. But having been brought in to shake up the way Newcastle recruit – and as a specialist in the area – he has to deliver.

Part of that might be taking things to the wire to get the Magpies the best possible deals – every £5m has a big impact on PSR headroom – but he will inevitably be judged on the outcome of the Guehi deal that has dragged on and who walks through the door before Friday.

There are alternatives but the optimistic links with Bayer Leverkusen’s Edmond Tapsoba can almost certainly put to bed with the Bundesligaclub not contemplating a sale and the player happy to remain in Germany.

“Whether it’s fair or not, it’s a massive week for Paul Mitchell,” Hurst says.

“When he was brought to the club above Eddie Howe the one thing they had to do was deliver – and quickly – but that hasn’t happened yet. And it feels as if there’s a lot riding on Guehi because whatever happens, they’ve spent a month chasing him.

“If they don’t get him, it won’t look good so there is that element of pressure on.”

Whatever happens it feels as if Newcastle’s recruitment processes probably need studying. 

Player trading is key in the PSR world, but they remain sluggish sellers, unable – so far – to even find a buyer for Ryan Fraser.

A slew of contracts up for renewal in 2025 mean an overhaul is around the corner but there is another transfer window and a critical week before then.

Why Newcastle still primarily shop in the domestic market when they have invested heavily on beefing up global scouting networks also seems like a viable question for the future. 

Since signing Sandro Tonali, their last eight signings have arrived from English teams.

 

Interesting that this says we've been priced out of right wing options in the Prem, and are looking abroad.

 

There's a young guy at Mitchell's previous club Monaco that we haven't been linked with yet I don't think, that's a lot like Olise.

 

Name is Maghnes Akliouche. I wonder if he's on our list.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

Interesting that this says we've been priced out of right wing options in the Prem, and are looking abroad.

 

There's a young guy at Mitchell's previous club Monaco that we haven't been linked with yet I don't think, that's a lot like Olise.

 

Name is Maghnes Akliouche. I wonder if he's on our list.

I think we have more a few bullet points than a list at this stage

[gdm]

Why are people getting hung up on statement signing? It’s just another way of saying marquee signing which has been used a plenty on here 

[Whitley mag]

My take is that Mitchell is fully behind Howe and by authorising 70 million on Guehi it’s a massive vote of confidence in manager.

 

I think Douglas is spot on in questioning the transfer policy, but let’s give Mitchell more than this window to address that, it’s also up to Howe to be flexible going forward as well, his power may be diluted in the new set up, but how many big clubs could he manage with complete control on transfers the answer is none.

[ExiledGeordie]

2 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

My take is that Mitchell is fully behind Howe and by authorising 70 million on Guehi it’s a massive vote of confidence in manager.

 

I think Douglas is spot on in questioning the transfer policy, but let’s give Mitchell more than this window to address that, it’s also up to Howe to be flexible going forward as well, his power may be diluted in the new set up, but how many big clubs could he manage with complete control on transfers the answer is none.

Mitchel will be very good at unearthing talent for low fees with his contacts. 

[The Prophet]

Using Hurst as a voice of the fans

[Nucasol]

5 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Using Hurst as a voice of the fans

Hurst is the Wurst.

[STM]

I'm hoping that we are waiting on moving fraser and a couple of others out, so that we can move on already identified targets.

 

I'd like to think that we already know what it will take to get a couple of players and a few heading out will trigger that.