Max Cherry Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cookie1892 said: In an ideal world everyone would agree but unfortunately we are going to have to in order to progress then we will eventually get to the stage that chelski and citeh are at but we have to sell to buy still unfortunately We aren't selling our best players that's all I'm saying, especially to teams in the PL. Our ownership are not going to knowingly strengthen our rivals. Our days as a "selling club" are over. Of course we can eventually do what City/Chelsea are doing and create saleable assets via our youth development, and also selling players who are just past their best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Max Cherry said: Or how about we don't sell our best players and continue to build our brand and sponsorships to fund our purchases? No way we sell Bruno unless it's to Real or Barca and he wants to go. You're never going to progress selling your best players, no matter how much the money is. Exactly ?? Went to bed with Wilson & Almiron sold without any replacements found and woke up to the news that we are packing Bruno & Isak’s bags already. How much do you think we can get for Tonali… ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 No one suggested selling our best players, to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: No one suggested selling our best players, to be fair. Pretty sure they did like, or it was mentioned it's inevitable we have to sell our best players for 100m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: No one suggested selling our best players, to be fair. Agree. I think there's obviously a line in the sand when it comes to selling. The handful of players in our team who are at a great age and already top level won't be for sale. The rest, if it makes financial sense, and we believe we can replace like for like...why not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Max Cherry said: Pretty sure they did like, or it was mentioned it's inevitable we have to sell our best players for 100m. The debate has mainly been about whether it is the right time to move on ASM or Almiron. Not seen anyone suggesting we sell Bruno, but apologies if I've missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina Tooner Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 No the only ones being talked about selling is ASM/Almiron which i fully agree with if we can get upgrades in or use the money to strengthen other positions. It will take a few years to build our brand/sponsorships to a level that takes the burden off player sales. We also cant become stagnant, we need change like every club. Liverpool falied to recycle and look at the drop off they had last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: The debate has mainly been about whether it is the right time to move on ASM or Almiron. Not seen anyone suggesting we sell Bruno, but apologies if I've missed it. It was mentioned at some point in the near future we will have to sell Bruno/Isak if someone came in with 100 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Just now, Max Cherry said: It was mentioned at some point in the near future we will have to sell Bruno/Isak if someone came in with 100 million. That'd be madness. Knowing when to sell at the right time is an art, but your best players should be off limits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: That'd be madness. Knowing when to sell at the right time is an art, but your best players should be off limits. Totally agree, you'll never catch up with that model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Build that FFP buffer for when we invest in DNA Cloning and create a super team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 I would prefer a more technical player with flair. One that offers more in general play. A creative one that can unlock deep defending teams. I think we have evolved from the team we were in the beginning, obviously. Transitional play will still be an important aspect of our team but I think we need more of other ingredients against the lesser teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea have all regularly traded players. The idea that we’ll not is unlikely. It’s also likely that due to FFP constraints we would be more willing to offload players for serious profit in the next few years. The problem isn’t selling players - even your current best ones - it’s having an ownership which wouldn’t want to replace them ambitiously. If Bruno or Isak were sold it would be because everyone at the club think it is the best move for the club, not their bank balance. This isn’t Ashley’s NUFC. But sponsorships and commercials will take years to catch up with the current ‘big boys’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Prophet said: No one suggested selling our best players, to be fair. They did a few posts earlier. I’d also argue Wilson, Almiron and ASM fall in to that category also. Wilson is out top scorer and we missed him badly when “injured/missing for domestic reasons”. Almiron was our second top scorer and again was a big miss when he was out the team. ASM is still our best winger either side. You can argue he had a poor season for fitness last season but when he played he made a big attacking difference. Its far to easy as we sign a few new players to underestimate the importance and quality of these current players. It’s not as if we are discussing shifting the likes of Anderson or Lewis in this window. These guys got us from 19>4 and a Cup Final on teamwork and spirit which is why they will be rewarded by playing in the ECL for their first time. Yes players will be sold in the next few windows as the squad slowly evolves but not that quickly and there is no need to as long as we continue to buy smartly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) You're not going to catch up by selling your top players either, and then gambling on re-investing the money on players that might not work. You keep your best players, try and be smart in the transfer window alongside FFP, invest in youth development and have a well coached team. Edited July 11, 2023 by Max Cherry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Max Cherry said: It was mentioned at some point in the near future we will have to sell Bruno/Isak if someone came in with 100 million. Are you being a bit pedantic like ? I'm looking back and i can't find a post that says we will have to sell for no real reason in the near future (apologises if i've missed it). Looks to me like people are describing a plethora of decisions that we might sell in the future, a player wants to move for a new challenge, our manager falls out with a player, or we get an offer we can't refuse, and that money goes back into the team to reinvest, to evolve etc. Personally I'm of the opinion that we're all over thinking things as we see a fantastic future, one rather alien to us for such a long time so we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves. I myself would rather live in the moment and not look too far ahead, it's been so so long waiting to finally enjoy the football club again, I'm going to do that for a bit like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Bimpy474 said: Are you being a bit pedantic like ? I'm looking back and i can't find a post that says we will have to sell for no real reason in the near future (apologises if i've missed it). Looks to me like people are describing a plethora of decisions that we might sell in the future, a player wants to move for a new challenge, our manager falls out with a player, or we get an offer we can't refuse, and that money goes back into the team to reinvest, to evolve etc. Personally I'm of the opinion that we're all over thinking things as we see a fantastic future, one rather alien to us for such a long time so we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves. I myself would rather live in the moment and not look too far ahead, it's been so so long waiting to finally enjoy the football club again, I'm going to do that for a bit like. No mate I'm just saying we should never be in business to sell our top players, unless it's someone who wants to move to Real Madrid as it's lifelong dream etc. It was suggested it's an inevitability that one day we'll have to sell Bruno/Isak for 100 million, I disagreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Max Cherry said: You're not going to catch up by selling your top players either, and then gambling on re-investing the money on players that might not work. You keep your best players, try and be smart in the transfer window alongside FFP, invest in youth development and have a well coached team. I agree with the likes of Bruno and Isak, the bigger concern with those players is that we don’t push on and they want to leave for a more ambitious club, which will potentially happen if the likes of Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool overtake us as we have our hands tied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Matt1892 said: I agree with the likes of Bruno and Isak, the bigger concern with those players is that we don’t push on and they want to leave for a more ambitious club, which will potentially happen if the likes of Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool overtake us as we have our hands tied. Agreed. Bruno, Isak, Botman etc are off limits in my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Max Cherry said: No mate I'm just saying we should never be in business to sell our top players, unless it's someone who wants to move to Real Madrid as it's lifelong dream etc. It was suggested it's an inevitability that one day we'll have to sell Bruno/Isak for 100 million, I disagreed. Fair point, i don't think we'll be in the business of selling our best players as a tactic say, which seems to be the thrust of the conversation. However at some point we will sell one of our better players, every club does even the biggest. Now if that's because of an offer so good you can't turn it down, as disappointing as that will be you know this club will now put that money back into the team. Or for the players dream move as you've mentioned. I suppose Andy Cole being a good example of where KK saw that opportunity to sell to evolve, obviously things are a tad different now but the crux of it is along those lines for me, selling for a reason, and for us in the coming years that we'll be our evolution imo. Edited July 11, 2023 by Bimpy474 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Liverpool didn't have to sell the likes of Salah because they could sell some random youngsters to Sheff United for £24m. Hopefully in a few years we'll be in the same position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Bobby Clarke to liverpool £1m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 34 minutes ago, Max Cherry said: It was mentioned at some point in the near future we will have to sell Bruno/Isak if someone came in with 100 million. It was one poster @Cookie1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 30 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea have all regularly traded players. The idea that we’ll not is unlikely. It’s also likely that due to FFP constraints we would be more willing to offload players for serious profit in the next few years. The problem isn’t selling players - even your current best ones - it’s having an ownership which wouldn’t want to replace them ambitiously. If Bruno or Isak were sold it would be because everyone at the club think it is the best move for the club, not their bank balance. This isn’t Ashley’s NUFC. But sponsorships and commercials will take years to catch up with the current ‘big boys’. this is what i was trying to say Re Bruno and Isak but you have done it in much better England Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, TRon said: It was one poster @Cookie1892 Tbf Cookie wasn’t saying that we have to sell - more that it’s probable that we will sell at some point. Which I think is true to an extent - though I think if Isak continues in the same vein as last season we’d be asking for more than double what we paid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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