Liverpool 4-2 Newcastle United (01/01/2024)

[jackyboy]

Trent Alexander Arnold has become one of the most arrogant players out there. Obviously undergoing intensive training from Klopp

[samptime29]

Liverpool fans are proper deluded like. Salah could take a dump in the centre circle, and they'd argue it was a "stonewall" penalty.

[madras]

14 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Completely agree. Dubs should have walked 

And a lifetime ban. I've never seen such violent behaviour on a football pitch. It was that gruesome it brought back memories of David Busst.

[ikri]

12 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

ESPN's weekly VAR review leads with the Jota decision: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/39204359/the-var-review-jota-penalty-overturned

 

Basically argues both sides and then uses it to discuss the current state of VAR, which is fair enough IMO. I wasn't really mad at the referees yesterday - it's the fact that I don't really know what is and isn't a penalty anymore, I don't understand when VAR intervenes and when it doesn't, and as a spectator you don't get anything approaching an explanation of why something was upheld or overturned. How anyone in charge thinks the current implementation of video review is the right way to go about it is beyond me.

 

It's the "Clear and Obvious Error" problem.  The referee made the call immediately and VAR looked at the replay.  Jota made an absolute meal of it and clearly threw himself to the ground, but there is minimal contact from Dubravka.  As there was contact, even if it wasn't enough to warrant the fall, VAR is just there to confirm that the referee's initial call wasn't completely wrong.  If the referee had laughed at the dive and waved play on VAR wouldn't have overturned that decision either as it would have simply confirmed that there wasn't enough contact for the foul.

 

There is, or was, a similar issue with VAR picking up fouls in play where the referee hasn't taken any action.  As long as the referee says that they saw something happen but then decided to take no action VAR can't intervene further (which Bruno is no doubt extremely thankful for).  Whilst we see VAR reviewing a lot of stuff that goes on in the game, it's the referee who is still paramount and their view of the game is what everything else, including VAR, is based on.

 

I don't want to get rid of VAR or we'd end up with games like the Chelsea match where without VAR they were able to get away with an unreal amount of fouls but VAR does need more work, possibly including former players and coaches in the process and they need to be clear about who actually runs the games as it looks like VAR is taking a lot of the criticism away from poor refereeing.

[duo]

36 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

ESPN's weekly VAR review leads with the Jota decision: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/39204359/the-var-review-jota-penalty-overturned

 

Basically argues both sides and then uses it to discuss the current state of VAR, which is fair enough IMO. I wasn't really mad at the referees yesterday - it's the fact that I don't really know what is and isn't a penalty anymore, I don't understand when VAR intervenes and when it doesn't, and as a spectator you don't get anything approaching an explanation of why something was upheld or overturned. How anyone in charge thinks the current implementation of video review is the right way to go about it is beyond me.

What rubbish - it's never a pen in a million years.

[duo]

Simon Jordan seems to talk more sense these days about Newcastle - only Journo who has publicly said it wasn't a pen.

 

 

[GEFAFWISP]

1 hour ago, timeEd32 said:

ESPN's weekly VAR review leads with the Jota decision: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/39204359/the-var-review-jota-penalty-overturned

 

Basically argues both sides and then uses it to discuss the current state of VAR, which is fair enough IMO. I wasn't really mad at the referees yesterday - it's the fact that I don't really know what is and isn't a penalty anymore, I don't understand when VAR intervenes and when it doesn't, and as a spectator you don't get anything approaching an explanation of why something was upheld or overturned. How anyone in charge thinks the current implementation of video review is the right way to go about it is beyond me.

More annoyed that the Diaz one is deemed fine when he clearly puts his leg onto Botman and initiates the contact then prat falls. Pathetic as per but it's Anfield. The clip of their fans having any issues with the ref's decisions outside the Joelinton non-booking is also pathetic.

[nufc123]

A lot of sense from Jordan there

[duo]

 

Saunders just constantly changed the subject - fair play to Jeff.  He knows.

[huss9]

8 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

If the commentary was anything to go by it was his last game before Ascension. 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, gbandit said:

Any word on how long Jota will be out for? The double leg break from Dubs could have been a career ender. We were lucky it was just a pen and not a red card on top 

I feel sorry for him when he goes to the supermarket, the slight touch from a trolley brushing past him will send him to A and E 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, duo said:

 

Saunders just constantly changed the subject - fair play to Jeff.  He knows.

Seems like Jeff is the only person in the media who isn't a total cunt 

[leffe186]

15 hours ago, reefatoon said:

Oh is that where he is going? I thought he might have been off on an epic solo mission to mars or something, the way they were going on.

Rewatched the game yesterday (well, had it on while I was cleaning and watched some). I hadn’t realized at the time how bizarre the discussion of Salah was. They really do talk like this is his last game for Liverpool - to the point where I had to check if that was actually the case and he’d agreed to go to Saudi Arabia in Jan:

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13040570/gary-neville-liverpool-owe-mohamed-salah-a-title-race-jamie-carragher-harvey-elliott-dominik-szoboszlai-can-hold-fort

They “owe him” a title race. 
 

He might only miss one league game.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, leffe186 said:

Rewatched the game yesterday (well, had it on while I was cleaning and watched some). I hadn’t realized at the time how bizarre the discussion of Salah was. They really do talk like this is his last game for Liverpool - to the point where I had to check if that was actually the case and he’d agreed to go to Saudi Arabia in Jan:

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13040570/gary-neville-liverpool-owe-mohamed-salah-a-title-race-jamie-carragher-harvey-elliott-dominik-szoboszlai-can-hold-fort

They “owe him” a title race. 
 

He might only miss one league game.

I think everyone should get sky taken out and get that dodgy cunt that everyone knows with the magic stick, just to fuck them off

[Guest]

Did everyone enjoy longstaffs OUTSWINGING corner? Yielded a slightly different result to the 5000 inswingers we'd previously put it this season and last. 

 

Apparently the difference in producing a goal is marginal, or some weird stat that a inswinger leads to 1% more goals but an outswinger leads to more chances?! 

 

Either way, it's nice to try something different 

[The College Dropout]

Excellent delivery that

[Lush Vlad]

2 hours ago, Pancrate1892 said:

Did everyone enjoy longstaffs OUTSWINGING corner? Yielded a slightly different result to the 5000 inswingers we'd previously put it this season and last. 

 

Apparently the difference in producing a goal is marginal, or some weird stat that a inswinger leads to 1% more goals but an outswinger leads to more chances?! 

 

Either way, it's nice to try something different 

 

For Botman's goal?  Trippier isn't hitting inswingers from that side on his right foot, either.  Would be quite the skill if he's whacking in trivelas from corners on that side every week  

 

Not watched anything back.  As I'm not that much of a masochist.  But from memory, it was just a driven corner off his laces and Botman was miles more aggressive than Jota or any of their players that seemed to be marking zonally/standing still and doing fuck all.  Don't remember it being much different to anything we usually do in that regard.  Just wasn't straight on Alisson and was about 6 yards out.

 

Trippier put in 3-4 absolute peaches from the corner against Forest.  But we didn't capatlise.  Would be nice if we started being good from set pieces, again.  As we certainly seem keen to continue hitting the box if we have a free kick anywhere near the halfway line and closer.  Plus we do seem to get a lot of corners compared to NUFC teams of recent times.

[duo]

 

[leffe186]

Not watching that: Darren Bent is baffled by pretty much everything so whatever he’s baffled by in this particular case will not add anything to the world.