Marc Guehi

[Kimbo]

Isn’t he just saying he’s gay for Jesus.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, why don't we just... shut off the lights.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

43 minutes ago, Fak said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14152001/Crystal-Palaces-captain-Marc-Guehi-face-FA-charge-rainbow-armband.html

Regrettable. 

[OverThere]

Misguided. Not sure what he was trying to get at especially as there was no anti gay stuff coming from Jesus, all that stuff is in the Old Testament. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think we know what he’s getting at

 

His religion generally thinks that gays are bad and he believes that above the support of those people. Not Jesus specifically maybe, but orthodox Christianity as a faith. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 10:38 by AyeDubbleYoo

[nufcjmc]

That's why political stuff should stay out of sport its too devisive. Wasn't a big fan of the taking the knee thing and while it's great to include and promote inclusion we don't do sport campaigns for all minority groups or all walks of life who have a certain belief or condition. Things like these are a personal choice which should be left off the field for you to feel how you feel privately or promote in your personal life as you have every right to do so.

 

I get the whole public figure thing but if work asked me to dress a certain way or promote a banner on an email and I didn't believe in it or want to I can see how it can be hard.

 

End of the day you will have 2 schools of thought he has defaced a flag that symbolises something for so many people. Or he has promoted what he has been asked and added his own spin on it. The daft git will have been well aware it wouldn't go down well/not allowed. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Debatable whether anti-racism and LGBT rights is political mind. To me it’s basic human rights that nobody is justified in objecting to. 
 

Of course anyone can be homophobic or racist in secret, the challenge comes when something comes up which requires them to do it in public. 
 

I’m completely for freedom of religion but there must be a point where you say, “it’s not OK to think gay people are inferior” etc. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 10:56 by AyeDubbleYoo

[AyeDubbleYoo]

To be generous to Guehi, he’s in a very difficult position if he knows his family and community are all homophobic. 

[nufcjmc]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Debatable whether anti-racism and LGBT rights is political mind. To me it’s basic human rights that nobody is justified in objecting to. 
 

Of course anyone can be homophobic or racist in secret, the challenge comes when something comes up which requires them to do it in public. 
 

I’m completely for freedom of religion but there must be a point where you say, “it’s not OK to think gay people are inferior” etc. 

 

 

 

Political maybe isn't a good choice of words as it shouldn't be debated that personal basic human rights are important. Just that promoting one thing and  not another is a choice. The fact if he didn't wear one which to me he is more than free to do so would have gotten him outted in the press. 

 

Do I agree with what he did? No. However I also think what he did was harmless albeit misguided.

 

The guidance as mentioned in the article restricts him promoting his view point of religion whilst playing. 

 

'political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images.' 

 

I agree with the rule because unfortunately personal expression is just that personal. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Yeah, it’s not easy to make definitive pronouncements about. I just think that some things are beyond doubt and no personal beliefs can be held up above that. 
 

Maybe he was trying to please both in his own dodgy way. 

[loki679]

You can't be forcing people to promote a viewpoint they don't agree with.

[Cronky]

It sounds like a messy attempt to please everyone. The guy is young and should be treated with some understanding.

[Skeletor]

Oh good another religious homophobe. Don't have enough of those around.

[Pablo123]

15 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

Oh good another religious homophobe. Don't have enough of those around.

What did he do that was homophobic, or am I missing something?

[Skeletor]

9 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

What did he do that was homophobic, or am I missing something?

 

 

Did he de-face anything else with "I love Jesus"? No just the rainbow armband funnily enough.

 

This at the same time that Sam Morsy refused to wear it due to "religious reasons".

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:18 by Skeletor

[Pablo123]

Does that make him a homophobe? 

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Debatable whether anti-racism and LGBT rights is political mind. To me it’s basic human rights that nobody is justified in objecting to. 
 

Of course anyone can be homophobic or racist in secret, the challenge comes when something comes up which requires them to do it in public. 
 

I’m completely for freedom of religion but there must be a point where you say, “it’s not OK to think gay people are inferior” etc. 

 

 

 

 

I think there needs to be a distinction between being against something and not wanting to promote something. The guy from Sheffield United said that to him people can do what they want, but because of religious beliefs he just didn't want to promote it.

 

It does beg the question as to whether some of these players would refuse to promote alchohol or gambling sponsors for the same reasons, mind..

[Skeletor]

Just now, Pablo123 said:

Does that make him a homophobe? 

 

Yes. It implies he feels he's doing something wrong by wearing the armband which is there to show support for gay people in sports.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:19 by Skeletor

[The College Dropout]

Let’s be honest most people that follow Abrahamic religions wouldn’t be vocal advocates for LGBTQ+ even if they were themselves part of that community.  
 

 

I assume he didn’t want to cause offence by refusing to wear it like the Ipswich captain.  And maybe isn’t ’anti LGBTQ’ or doesn’t want to be seen as such but he wanted to make the statement. 
 

It’s messy because football mixed politics all the time.  We had a whole bunch of stuff for Ukraine war.  The rules should be more honest and say you can only support political or religious beliefs that align with our agenda.  

[Erikse]

There's sometimes this idea that people must have a strong opinion about things. You either love something, or you hate it. You're either pro or anti.

[Skeletor]

Just now, Erikse said:

There's sometimes this idea that people must have a strong opinion about things. You either love something, or you hate it. You're either pro or anti.

 

Being gay is not an opinion issue. We exist.

[Conjo]

It's impossible to keep politics and religion out of football, like most things in life. There are religious LGBTQ+ people and allies as well, so I find it difficult to accuse him of having bigoted views unless he comes out and specifies exactly what he meant by this statement. Since he seems to be a near and good friend of Gordon who seems to be a canny person I want to give him the benefit of doubt and hope it was with good intentions.

 

Sam Moresy refused to wear a rainbow armband for Ipswich against Forest, which would obviously be a better way to go about it if he had something against LGBTQ+ people.

[Erikse]

Edit: Misread something

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:26 by Erikse

[Skeletor]

2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Uh? How did you read that from my post?

 

"People feel they need to have strong opinions"

 

Being gay is not about opinions. It's a fact gay people like myself exist. There is no debate, no opinions and no justification for discrimination due to religious beliefs.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:27 by Skeletor

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Cronky said:

It sounds like a messy attempt to please everyone. The guy is young and should be treated with some understanding.

This is the generous view, yep. It’s possible.