Marc Guehi

[El Prontonise]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He was wearing the armband tonight, didn’t get a clear look but I presume without the Jesus phrase. 

 

 

 

 

[Ellis H]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He was wearing the armband tonight, didn’t get a clear look but I presume without the Jesus phrase. 

 

 

 

“Jesus loves you” was on tonight. 

[BGRM]

 

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He was wearing the armband tonight, didn’t get a clear look but I presume without the Jesus phrase. 

 

 

 

I think he wrote "Jesus loves you"

[Heron]

1 minute ago, El Prontonise said:

 

Which media has caused this though? 

 

It's been driven by members of this forum this argument tbh.

I was just speaking generally mate.

 

Like Guehi should have just not wore it and no one should have made a deal of the fact he either chose to or not. It's his beliefs and it isn't harming or abusing anyone.

 

Now he wrote I love Jesus and there's a whole media circus and everyone saying whether it's right or wrong and sparking debate and blah blah blah

 

Just all unnecessary shite.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Ellis H said:

“Jesus loves you” was on tonight. 

Unless you’re a homosexual, presumably.  In which case fiery damnation awaits. 

[El Prontonise]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

I was just speaking generally mate.

 

Like Guehi should have just not wore it and no one should have made a deal of the fact he either chose to or not. It's his beliefs and it isn't harming or abusing anyone.

 

Now he wrote I love Jesus and there's a whole media circus and everyone saying whether it's right or wrong and sparking debate and blah blah blah

 

Just all unnecessary shite.

 

Yeah I agree with that.

 

My issue is more how the PL are using these campaigns tbh to try to make themselves look inclusive etc, because at the end of the day it's all about the brand and nothing else.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 22:47 by El Prontonise

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

A lot of it is distracting ‘culture wars’ nonsense.  But there is a negative impact in terms of telling a sizeable proportion of the population that you think that their existence is sinful. 

See for me, homosexuals may well be aware that in Christianity and other religions it is considered a sin. However, if you don't believe in a God would you really give a shit? They probably laugh at the religious types for even believing in one.

 

I mean it's interesting stuff to discuss and we will be on Saturday but I don't know. Just think this thing with Guehi is unnecessary on his, the clubs and the leagues behalf.

[Heron]

4 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

Yeah I agree with that.

 

My issue is more how the PL are using these campaigns tbh to try to make themselves look inclusive etc, because at the end of the day it's all about the brand and nothing else.

 

 

 

Most organisations are the same. Seen shit loads of people doing Movember in my business but hardly any did owt to raise money or awareness. Sustainability is a business buzz word now with all the Green energy and solutions but when it comes to what will save a quid they'd rather pour oil in their veins.

 

Money talks louder then anything and controversy and chaos let's the quids roll.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 22:51 by Heron

[Heron]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Unless you’re a homosexual, presumably.  In which case fiery damnation awaits. 

Get a better tan in hell though

[El Prontonise]

Just now, Heron said:

Most organisations are the same. Seen ahkt loads of people doing Movember in my business but hardly any did owt to raise money or awareness. Sustainability is a business buzz word now with all the Green energy and solutions but when it comes to what will save a quid they'd rather pour oil in their veins.

 

Money talks louder then anything and controversy and chaos let's the quids roll.

 

100% agree.

 

Don't get me started on green washing, would be here for weeks.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 22:51 by El Prontonise

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

See for me, homosexuals may well be aware that in Christianity and other religions it is considered a sin. However, if you don't believe in a God would you really give a shit? They probably laugh at the religious types for even believing in one.

 

I mean it's interesting stuff to discuss and we will be on Saturday but I don't know. Just think this thing with Guehi is unnecessary on his, the clubs and the leagues behalf.

Yeah, I do agree generally.  I think Guehi is acting like a wally more than anything; I don’t think any player should be coerced into wearing the rainbow armband; and I think that the PL should’ve had a better response prepared than it has.  Surely it would have known in advance that something like this might occur?

 

I’ve zero sense of outrage about any of this, it is just something to discuss, and culture war shite is a massive distraction.  To me the obvious response to Guehi is to shake your head and think ‘what a wanker’. 

[El Prontonise]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yeah, I do agree generally.  I think Guehi is acting like a wally more than anything; I don’t think any player should be coerced into wearing the rainbow armband; and I think that the PL should’ve had a better response prepared than it has.  Surely it would have known in advance that something like this might occur?

 

I’ve zero sense of outrage about any of this, it is just something to discuss, and culture war shite is a massive distraction.  To me the obvious response to Guehi is to shake your head and think ‘what a wanker’. 

 

Yeah, he shouldn't be made to wear it and the message he did was pretty crap.  Maybe a message in the programme notes as captain about his views from his religion etc?

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 22:55 by El Prontonise

[Jackie Broon]

There is all sorts of stuff that's is either explicitly a sin or can be interpreted as such from the old testament in particular that people do every day, including the gambling his shirt has two adverts for on. The reason some people chose to ignore all of that yet see fancying people of the same sex a sin is homophobia and nothing else.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, El Prontonise said:

 

Yeah, he shouldn't be made to wear it and the message he did was pretty crap.  Maybe a message in the programme notes as captain about his views?

Yep, he has access to plenty of platforms to express whatever he wants to express.  

[madras]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yeah, I do agree generally.  I think Guehi is acting like a wally more than anything; I don’t think any player should be coerced into wearing the rainbow armband; and I think that the PL should’ve had a better response prepared than it has.  Surely it would have known in advance that something like this might occur?

 

I’ve zero sense of outrage about any of this, it is just something to discuss, and culture war shite is a massive distraction.  To me the obvious response to Guehi is to shake your head and think ‘what a wanker’. 

Which is another sin. 

[Heron]

If he loves Jesus is he gay 👀😅

[madras]

I'm tempted to go to the match tomorrow wearing a rainbow captains armband on which I've scrawled in marker pen "just don't be a cunt"

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

There is all sorts of stuff that's is either explicitly a sin or can be interpreted as such from the old testament in particular that people do every day, including the gambling his shirt has two adverts for on. The reason some people chose to ignore all of that yet see fancying people of the same sex a sin is homophobia and nothing else.

Alcohol sponsors, banking sponsors (usury), etc etc.  Not a peep. 

[J7]

I actually hate what’s going on here. It should be an optional thing for one week or something. Those deciding to wear them should be actively making a decision to do it to show support. Because of the way the Premier League play it, with the media then pointing fingers and trying to get debate going around it, it just means that the statement is NOT wearing it, rather than people wearing it to show support. I’ve no idea what Bruno thinks and if he’s actually showing support for example.

 

I have no issue with what the Ipswich lad is doing. Nobody should be forced to show support for anything. I do think Guehi is being a bit of a prick though. Just don’t wear it if you don’t want to show support. It’s petulant and pathetic. 
 

Anyway, the most annoying thing here for me is because it looks like this campaign is being forced on players rather than it being a choice, it becomes another one of these culture way/identity politics issues. It’s hardly a wonder there’s a backlash to this kind of thing when people are being shamed for not toeing the line expected of them. 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, madras said:

I'm tempted to go to the match tomorrow wearing a rainbow captains armband on which I've scrawled in marker pen "just don't be a cunt"

Yep.  ‘Divvunt be a cunt’ is a mantra to live life by

[TheBrownBottle]

7 minutes ago, madras said:

Which is another sin. 

Was Onan really condemned for spilling his seed?   

[madras]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Was Onan really condemned for spilling his seed?   

If it hits the bog wall is it spilled ?

[El Prontonise]

6 minutes ago, J7 said:

I actually hate what’s going on here. It should be an optional thing for one week or something. Those deciding to wear them should be actively making a decision to do it to show support. Because of the way the Premier League play it, with the media then pointing fingers and trying to get debate going around it, it just means that the statement is NOT wearing it, rather than people wearing it to show support. I’ve no idea what Bruno thinks and if he’s actually showing support for example.

 

I have no issue with what the Ipswich lad is doing. Nobody should be forced to show support for anything. I do think Guehi is being a bit of a prick though. Just don’t wear it if you don’t want to show support. It’s petulant and pathetic. 
 

Anyway, the most annoying thing here for me is because it looks like this campaign is being forced on players rather than it being a choice, it becomes another one of these culture way/identity politics issues. It’s hardly a wonder there’s a backlash to this kind of thing when people are being shamed for not toeing the line expected of them. 

 

100% this

 

 

[SAK]

55 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

I'd be totally fine with it if he managed to squeeze in "I am for inclusion of LGBTQ+ people in football, but personally due to the way I interpret my religion, I could never be anything other than a straight CIS male" with really small text. 

 

That could of course be what he means with his messaging, but making these statements and not elaborating on them he opens himself up to scrutiny.

I was referring to the Ipswich captain in my comment but agree Guehi has left himself open to criticism, should have grown a pair and declined than write an ambiguous message.

[St. Maximin]

35 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

There is all sorts of stuff that's is either explicitly a sin or can be interpreted as such from the old testament in particular that people do every day, including the gambling his shirt has two adverts for on. The reason some people chose to ignore all of that yet see fancying people of the same sex a sin is homophobia and nothing else.

This isn’t remotely true mate, sorry. The Bible doesn’t even say fancying someone of the same sex is a sin.