Anthony Elanga: NUFC have bid of £45m rejected (Ornstein)

[STM]

20 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Reports in the media tend to have some element of truth in them. Such as our longstanding interest in this lad.

 

Very rarely is the smoke without any fire.

 

Personally I think most stuff in the media is made up rubbish, designed to sell papers and get clicks.

 

Some people cherry pick the bits that already suit a narrative in their heads. 

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Personally I think most stuff in the media is made up rubbish, designed to sell papers and get clicks.

 

Some people cherry pick the bits that already suit a narrative in their heads. 

Most things reported widely have an element of truth imo.

 

I think we've had interest in all of the players we've been consistently linked too. The Elanga links have persisted because the interest has persisted. Other players we like - we'll probably never bid for them. I think the preference for PL experience is probably true but we also seem to hold interest in foreign players too.

 

Even when something is wrong - Barella for example - the fire was that we were in Milan to sign an international Italian midfielder highly-rated, it was the wrong player but there was an element of truth to the rumour.

 

Isak was mentioned numerous times before it got concrete.

[Roids]

hope this transfer doesn't happen

[JT24]

hope this transfer happens 

[GeordieDazzler]

43 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

 

 

None of these are distressed sales. If they need to sell, they'll find a better way than flogging Elanga on the cheap imo.

Those Lyon sales are definitely a bit suspect. Forest then buying a number of players from Botofogo who have the same owners. 

[The College Dropout]

The Lyon deals are bogus.

 

Forest got burnt with FFP the year prior. Like everyone else they've learnt their lesson. They won't be scrambling around last minute to sell one of their best players on the cheap to make it work. I would be shocked if that's the case.

 

£20m for Vlad was a masterstroke. Anderson for what is essentially £15m - looked a solid deal then and it's amazing business now.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by The College Dropout

[GeordieDazzler]

We seem to have quite a close relationship with Forest and with Wood and Anderson they’ve absolutely got value for money out of us. 
 

Feel like we will know if they are open to selling before we’ve made this bid. All feels quite performative. We’ll have to pay a handsome price but if they are set on him as the right guy I’m happy with it. 

[Kimbo]

32 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

We seem to have quite a close relationship with Forest and with Wood and Anderson they’ve absolutely got value for money out of us. 
 

Feel like we will know if they are open to selling before we’ve made this bid. All feels quite performative. We’ll have to pay a handsome price but if they are set on him as the right guy I’m happy with it. 

[Joelinton7]

3 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

[JP]

How much value does the 'always available' trait hold these days?

 

Had a look into and Elanga has played 36 and 38 premier league games in the last 2 seasons.

 

I'd argue playing 97% of league games across 2 years holds some weight in terms of value also.

 

[The Prophet]

Ryder (the GOAT), claiming talks are still active.

[kingxlnc]

47 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

We seem to have quite a close relationship with Forest and with Wood and Anderson they’ve absolutely got value for money out of us. 
 

Feel like we will know if they are open to selling before we’ve made this bid. All feels quite performative. We’ll have to pay a handsome price but if they are set on him as the right guy I’m happy with it. 

Especially as they're buying Timothy Weah as a replacement

Right now they're winning the head to head - Wood and Anderson and Vlad vs the Shelvey flop

Thought a few seasons ago they'd be the club for Lascelles to return back to but they seem to be more ambitious than that now. Feel like Lascelles could do a job for a Leeds Utd and give them leadership and experience from the back

[Nine]

1 hour ago, JP said:

How much value does the 'always available' trait hold these days?

 

Had a look into and Elanga has played 36 and 38 premier league games in the last 2 seasons.

 

I'd argue playing 97% of league games across 2 years holds some weight in terms of value also.

 

Availability is usually overlooked, in reality it’s probably the most valuable attribute a player can have 

[Mahoneys Tache]

Six goals and 11 assists in 38 league games last season. Still a bairn with big scope to improve with Eddie’s magic. Not sure why there’s so much pissing and moaning about this. Similar stats to Murphy who is brilliant but has probably peaked. He can come in, do a job in an area where we are light and will only get better. 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Roids said:

hope this transfer doesn't happen

Yeah fuck what Eddie Howe wants, he’s been wrong again and again in the transfer market.  Name me 52 signings he’s got right so far for NUFC  - you can’t, can you?  Which proves it.  Even if we haven’t made close to 52 signings.  

[Sibierski]

The main attribute that gets me excited about Elanga is his pace. Proper elite pace that not many can match. That always excites me in forward players, but it has to come with good decision making. Looked to be getting better at that last season for Forest compared to his Man Utd days, but still levels to go.

 

Don’t think we’ll got above £55m once add ons are taken into consideration, so this feels a first move, wait and see what the feeling is over next few days from player, agent and club side, and make another bid around £50m with intention we can stretch a bit further if needed.

 

Forest are kidding themselves if they don’t need a sale this summer. MGW and Murillo their other key players, and MGW window looks to have gone after Man City went elsewhere.

[The Prophet]

I respect the scepticism, particularly from posters like Ikon, who have a good knowledge of the player.

 

But there's nothing wrong with improving our plan A.

[HayDen Traces]

I think £55-60m (inc. add-ons) is fair value for him tbh. I work in Nottingham and Forest fans I've spoken to rate Elanga as their most creative/productive player. So to them he is worth £60m+.

Whether he's worth that much to us (in our future gameplan and style of play) remains to be seen.

 

[Kanj]

7 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I respect the scepticism, particularly from posters like Ikon, who have a good knowledge of the player.

 

But there's nothing wrong with improving our plan A.

if you continue to fine tune plan A, which makes up the overwhelming majority of our style of play and points haul over Eddie’s tenure, then the so called need to “break down the low block” is lessened versus the lesser teams. As I’ve stated many times before, we’re not often in that position and when we don’t pick up points across Eddie’s tenure it seems to be more about our lack of depth and quality to execute the main tactic and/or beaten at our own game. &nbsp
 

does not mean we shouldn’t continue to add technical players and have varied skillsets. Think the key is signing an attacking mid or second striker like JP who can play behind Isak. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kanj

[Nucasol]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

Ryder (the GOAT), claiming talks are still active.

[The Prophet]

Just now, Kanj said:

if you continue to make plan A, which makes up the overwhelming majority of our style of play and points haul over Eddie’s tenure, then the so called need to “break down the low block” is lessened versus the lesser teams. As I’ve stated many times before, we’re not often in that position and when we don’t pick up points across Eddie’s tenure it seems to be more about our lack of depth and quality to execute the main tactic and/or beaten at our own game. 
 

does not mean we shouldn’t continue to add technical players and have varied skillsets. Think the key is signing an attacking mid or second striker like JP who can play behind Isak. 

 

Completely agree. Our execution of Plan A will continue to improve with more quality depth and options off the bench.

 

As you say, this doesn't mean that we shouldn't look to be flexible or ignore players who are comfortable on the ball, but a new GK, RCB and RW improve Plan A without reinventing the wheel.

[Roids]

23 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yeah fuck what Eddie Howe wants, he’s been wrong again and again in the transfer market.  Name me 52 signings he’s got right so far for NUFC  - you can’t, can you?  Which proves it.  Even if we haven’t made close to 52 signings.  

I'm not subscribed to the cult, my opinions on players can be independent from Howe or anyone else for that matter

[Roids]

Forest sit back, embrace pressure and hit on the counter.  Perfect for someone like Elanga who's then given acres of spaces to run into 

We won't/don't have that luxury, we saw vs Everton how stagnant the offence is when teams don't offer space (Arsenal have suffered with this all year, Man City too for most of the season)

 

Need better quality, not just pace merchants if there are ambitions of consistent Top 4/5

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Roids

[Shearergol]

5 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said:

55m in today’s market isn’t overpaying. I keep reading this, but you have absolutely bang average players in both the PL and abroad being valued at 35m-40m. 

 

Any examples of who those bang average players in the premier league who have actually gone for that price? Other than anyone Man United signed

[Fak]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

 

Any examples of who those bang average players in the premier league who have actually gone for that price? Other than anyone Man United signed

 

Pepe to Arsenal?