Everton vs Newcastle - Post Match Thoughts.

[Mick]

who do you think is more responsible for the goals conceded today, roeder, or the players?

 

Both the players and Roeder, one builds the team and hopefully coaches them, once they go onto the pitch then they're responsible for what they do or don't do.

[NE5]

 

you don't take the view of someone who was at the game ????

 

What he is saying is that we couldn't put the ball in the net while we were on top.

 

As for your comments, we had - and still have - only 1 out and out forward to play up front, for the rest of the season. And you say we need defenders more. Amazing.

 

Keep up the cliches, and don't get a mind of your own whatever you do.

 

 

 

My mistake, I thought he was blaming our result on defending set-pieces and our lack of defenders, I felt that the fact that we had let in 3 goals backed him up on that point.

 

I think his point is pretty clear, but only if you can open up your mind - if you have one that can makes its own opinions that is. But you can disagree with someone who was at the match if you like. Goals change games if we had scored first, they would not have got 3. Our defenders will be back, but I am pleased you are happy to buy a defender and go the rest of the season with only 1 striker.

 

 

[Mick]

I do not blame Roeder for the fact that our squad is not deep enough and decimated by injuries. I blame the spending of previous Managers for the first part. Our defence today consisted of an unfit goalkeeper, a right winger and three centre backs, one of whom is massively out of his depth and one of whom was replaced by a midfielder. I don't think that Roeder can be blamed for  the lack of depth in the squad and I think that he has done a pretty good job this season, given all the circumstances.

 

I also think that it's a miracle that we haven't conceded more goals recently, given our defensive options. AND, I also think that we could just as easily have won today's game, not if the tactics or personnel available had been different, but if the ball had run for us. I know that it's easier to find someone to blame (usually Roeder or Parker) but that is not, having been there, the reality of today's game IMO.

Roeder reduced our defence by two numerically in the transfer window, what has that to do with previous managers?  As for the unfit keeper, Roeder allowed Caig to leave for nothing only to replace him with a 38 year old, work the logic of that one out if you can.

 

Absolving him of any blame looks a bit blinkered.  Fair enough he had very little control once they were on the pitch but his preparation for this season has a lot to do with our current situation.

 

[Golfmag]

I do not blame Roeder for the fact that our squad is not deep enough and decimated by injuries. I blame the spending of previous Managers for the first part. Our defence today consisted of an unfit goalkeeper, a right winger and three centre backs, one of whom is massively out of his depth and one of whom was replaced by a midfielder. I don't think that Roeder can be blamed for  the lack of depth in the squad and I think that he has done a pretty good job this season, given all the circumstances.

 

I also think that it's a miracle that we haven't conceded more goals recently, given our defensive options. AND, I also think that we could just as easily have won today's game, not if the tactics or personnel available had been different, but if the ball had run for us. I know that it's easier to find someone to blame (usually Roeder or Parker) but that is not, having been there, the reality of today's game IMO.

Roeder reduced our defence by two numerically in the transfer window, what has that to do with previous managers? As for the unfit keeper, Roeder allowed Caig to leave for nothing only to replace him with a 38 year old, work the logic of that one out if you can.

 

Absolving him of any blame looks a bit blinkered. Fair enough he had very little control once they were on the pitch but his preparation for this season has a lot to do with our current situation.

 

 

I understand your point but mine is simply that today we were not much more than bloody unlucky. Unlucky, considering how well we played for much of the game, unlucky, given how totally inept Everton were other than at set pieces, and yes, unlucky given our injury situation, the scale of which Roeder simply cannot be blamed for.

[Guest fraser]

We played well and dominated in patches today but there is no doubt that the lack of 'specialist' full-backs costs us.

 

Huntington is a right-footed centre-back. He defends well but offers nothing in terms of going forward or effective distribution from that position. That's not his fault and the experience of playing at left-back may, ironically, benefit his development. What it does mean is that their attacking right midfielder had almost no defensive responsibilities, especially as Emre played 'narrow'.

 

In spite of this weakness we were in it even at 2-0.

 

Unfortunately the real reason we lost, in my opinion, is that instead of 1-1 at half-time, which it should have been, it was 1-0. Martin's penalty was laughable.

[Guest JamesD]

like golf mag is saying, football is a funny game.  And when we lose, it doesn't mean the team was crap, just unlucky.

[Mick]

 

I think his point is pretty clear, but only if you can open up your mind - if you have one that can makes its own opinions that is. But you can disagree with someone who was at the match if you like. Goals change games if we had scored first, they would not have got 3. Our defenders will be back, but I am pleased you are happy to buy a defender and go the rest of the season with only 1 striker.

 

 

 

I'll tell you what Mr Hypocrisy, I'll not talk about the game that I didn't attend when you do the same.  Yes our defenders will be back, so will our forwards unless you know differently and our returning forwards will be better than our returning defenders.

 

Where have I said we should go through the season with only 1 striker?

[Guest MexicanToon]

Schoolboy defending, lack of passion and desire, Emre winding their players up, not having the best player on the pitch............

FFS, where does luck come into it?

 

It's about time some people took off the rose coloured specs and stared reality in the face. Newcastle UTD are just not that good.

[Guest fraser]

And Milner was outstanding.

[Mick]

 

I understand your point but mine is simply that today we were not much more than bloody unlucky. Unlucky, considering how well we played for much of the game, unlucky, given how totally inept Everton were other than at set pieces, and yes, unlucky given our injury situation, the scale of which Roeder simply cannot be blamed for.

 

I don't blame Roeder for our injuries, he can't really be blamed for that, I blame him for the lack of depth and he has to take the blame for that because he reduced the numbers.  Maybe that is slightly unfair as I don't know that he is at fault, it might be his boss who failed on that one.

 

Losing 1-0 could be put down to bad luck, I'm not so sure that 3-0 is that unlucky especially as if it sounded like 3 could have easily been more.

 

[Guest MexicanToon]

And Milner was outstanding.

 

Milner is a class act and will only get better.

[Guest JamesD]

one thing i notice about toon fans is the way they treat chances. for example,

 

"Losing 1-0 could be put down to bad luck, I'm not so sure that 3-0 is that unlucky especially as if it sounded like 3 could have easily been more."-mick

 

 

while it could have been more to everton, we definetly could have had several ourselves. martins missing the penalty, the taylor/martins header, and howard made some saves. it seems that every game we play, people say the same thing, "well, it could have been way more...", while neglecting our close shots, and good saves from the opposition keeper.

[Mick]

one thing i notice about toon fans is the way they treat chances. for example,

[quote author=Mick l

Losing 1-0 could be put down to bad luck, I'm not so sure that 3-0 is that unlucky especially as if it sounded like 3 could have easily been more.

 

while it could have been more to everton, we definetly could have had several ourselves. martins missing the penalty, the taylor/martins header, and howard made some saves. it seems that every game we play, people say the same thing, "well, it could have been way more...", while neglecting our close shots, and good saves from the opposition keeper.

 

You're worse than me with the quotes.

[tmonkey]

Our defenders will be back, but I am pleased you are happy to buy a defender and go the rest of the season with only 1 striker.

 

Adding a goalscorer wont make us play better in games where we are playing shiite in the first place, those games where we struggle to create anything. We would just hear the same old lines of "cant do much with no service" when the new frontman is stranded and looking lost. At the same time, in these types of games where we are playing shiite from an attacking point of view, we concede cheap goals on a regular basis. So its like a double loss.

 

Even when we are playing well in an attacking sense, we still ship goals easily. The poor defence cancels out the attacking play shockingly often for us - even against relegation candidate teams we might play good football, but we end up scraping wins because we can and do concede at any time.

 

I think wed be better off sorting out the defence. If we had a defence of the same standard that we had when Woodgate was fit, we would have come away today with a draw, a win in the previous game aginst Bolton, etc etc. "Build from the back", "if you dont concede you wont lose".

[Guest JamesD]

haha, shit. edit time.

[Gallowgate Toon]

i think it will be interesting to see how the team and oba react to be honest. it was a terrible penalty but he has been excellent for the last 10 games (excluding todays game). and i wonder if Nigel Pearson can perhaps motivate the players for Man U because glenn roeder is a nice guy but a little too nice about the team but Pearson is known to be a very hard man if things are not going the right way. TBH i am not sure what to expect at Man U we might come out fighting or we might surrender because in todays game we showed signs of both. but i was listening to the radio on the way back home and i heard John Anderson say that you can not blame the penalty miss for the loss eventhough it was at a pivotal moment in the match because we did create other chances but throughout the match we lacked drive, this is probably because of the fixture congestion but these men are payed to be fit and its now that the players have to show their worth.

[Guest HyDrO]

Couldn't expect a win really, our defence is obviously letting us go down hill, but we seriously need to buy from the back instead of going for the forward, attacking players everytime a window is open.

[Howaythelads]

Couldn't expect a win really, our defence is obviously letting us go down hill, but we seriously need to buy from the back instead of going for the forward, attacking players everytime a window is open.

 

You reckon? Seriously?

 

The defenders will return from injury. What happens if Martins is injured? Serious question.

[Superior Acuña]

The pen wasnt actually as bad as i expected.

Though it was obviously poorly executed, i expected to be an aimless wack-as-hard-as-possible - but the idea was right, just crapply hit.

[Cronky]

We had a couple of great chances at a crucial time, with the penalty and the header where Taylor and Martins got in each other's way. If either had gone in, it could have been different, so let's not be slitting our wrists. Goals change games.

 

The defence is weak and inexperienced when it comes to set pieces, nothing new there and not Roeder's fault in the circumstances.

 

I'd prefer to see Parker pushed wide right, Emre in the centre, and Milner on the left. Not ideal, but a better use of resources than what we have. I'd agree that Emre looks very unhappy out wide.

 

And talking of Emre, why has asking a ref to send a player off become the most heinous of crimes? It's wrong, but players are pressuring refs all the time for penalties and other decisions. I think everyone needs to calm down on this issue.

[Yorkie]

Couldn't expect a win really, our defence is obviously letting us go down hill, but we seriously need to buy from the back instead of going for the forward, attacking players everytime a window is open.

 

You reckon? Seriously?

 

The defenders will return from injury. What happens if Martins is injured? Serious question.

 

Unfair to rely on Martins anyway, imo. I don't think he's a serial goalscorer*.

 

We need defenders aswell as a striker in January. But we crave defenders - absolutely no doubt about it. Martins might score a goal every single game, but if we continue to concede two every game aswell, then we're screwed. We need quality defenders - because we're very, very short on them. I'd much rather we broke the bank in an attempt to improve the defense than the attack, which is something we simply do not need to do.

 

*And before people jump on my back and say that i'm only stating that cos he missed a penalty today, i've actually been saying that all season.

[Howaythelads]

We had a couple of great chances at a crucial time, with the penalty and the header where Taylor and Martins got in each other's way. If either had gone in, it could have been different, so let's not be slitting our wrists. Goals change games.

 

The defence is weak and inexperienced when it comes to set pieces, nothing new there and not Roeder's fault in the circumstances.

 

I'd prefer to see Parker pushed wide right, Emre in the centre, and Milner on the left. Not ideal, but a better use of resources than what we have. I'd agree that Emre looks very unhappy out wide.

 

And talking of Emre, why has asking a ref to send a player off become the most heinous of crimes? It's wrong, but players are pressuring refs all the time for penalties and other decisions. I think everyone needs to calm down on this issue.

 

It's because they've realised (finally) that the Parker/Emre thing doesn't work and they'd hate to see Parker leave.

[geofire17814]

Do we pratice defending corners in training ?

 

[Howaythelads]

Couldn't expect a win really, our defence is obviously letting us go down hill, but we seriously need to buy from the back instead of going for the forward, attacking players everytime a window is open.

 

You reckon? Seriously?

 

The defenders will return from injury. What happens if Martins is injured? Serious question.

 

Unfair to rely on Martins anyway, imo. I don't think he's a serial goalscorer*.

 

We need defenders aswell as a striker in January. But we crave defenders - absolutely no doubt about it. Martins might score a goal every single game, but if we continue to concede two every game aswell, then we're screwed. We need quality defenders - because we're very, very short on them. I'd much rather we broke the bank in an attempt to improve the defense than the attack, which is something we simply do not need to do.

 

*And before people jump on my back and say that i'm only stating that cos he missed a penalty today, i've actually been saying that all season.

 

YG

 

 

We shouldn't break the bank to do anything, but we definitely need another striker more than a defender. IMO.

[Yorkie]

Our opinions differ. ;-)

 

Not saying we should or will break the bank, i'm just saying that if we were to - i'd rather we did it on a defender than a striker.

 

But, if Roeder's going after the likes of Mario Melchiot, he is clearly saving a hefty wedge of his budget for a striker.

 

Not needed IMO. I'd much rather we go after a £2m Viduka or a £3m Beattie than spend £8m or whatever on Peter Crouch, or someone.