Keggy_Keagal Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 I don't want Mourinho as manager but he'd get 20 goals out of Woltemade a season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 The way Howe has treated him feels so unfair. Team Woltemade, all the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 There are a lot of chants for Nick during the match Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Reckon Howe brings him back into team when he's ready. Just like with Hall, Livra and even Tonali, imagine they are trying get him more involved and physically ready for premier league. Looks a bit better in the brief cameos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 6 hours ago, Ketsbaia said: The way Howe has treated him feels so unfair. Team Woltemade, all the way. The pressure on Howe is now such that I can't help but wonder if he is trying to prove the signings which he pounded the table for we're not wasted money - behind Elanga I'm genuinely not sure who those would be of the latest batch - but I'd not be surprised to see Elanga to get a lot more minutes this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 hour ago, dcmk said: Reckon Howe brings him back into team when he's ready. Just like with Hall, Livra and even Tonali, imagine they are trying get him more involved and physically ready for premier league. Looks a bit better in the brief cameos. Fine strategy as long as Eddie survives long enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 If Nick took pens this stat looks a lot more healthier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 16 hours ago, BennyBlanco said: I didn’t say he was. I said he was that sort of player. The sort of player Berbatov was - is a highly gifted technical player that played in a laid back manner. Without the highly gifted technical part - there’s just a laid back player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 12 hours ago, Keggy_Keagal said: I don't want Mourinho as manager but he'd get 20 goals out of Woltemade a season He’d get shot of Woltemade on day one. Not a Mourinho player at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 12 hours ago, KaKa said: Saw some glimpses of him playing centrally as a second striker just off Osula today when he came on, and it looked like it could have some potential if persisted with. It's pretty much the ideal position you'd want to have him playing in the Prem I think. We are now in April, and I think it's ridiculous we haven't seen more of this setup to try something different, considering how poorly the team has played the majority of the season. Especially when you consider that Howe has used this kind of setup previously at Bournemouth, when he would play King off of Wilson in a two striker system. At this point why not just play that way the rest of the season? Be surprised if we do though. Aye. Let’s at least try and play some football. I thought this was the plan from the jump. 2 up top or one behind. And it’s basically never happened. Not only was it not the plan, it seems to not even be any type of plan b or c. He just spent £100m+ on strikers and wanted to rotate them. Thats insane. I thought he wanted to evolve the teams style a bit. Or he needed too. Nope. Not on the cards at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BennyBlanco Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 50 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: The sort of player Berbatov was - is a highly gifted technical player that played in a laid back manner. Without the highly gifted technical part - there’s just a laid back player. I’ve seen enough to make a decision that there’s some talent with this lad. Great touch and some of his layoffs have been very good. I don’t think Eddie knows what to do with him, I don’t think he quite knows his best position yet and I do think he’s raw as fuck. I also think that if we jettison him now we’ll regret it in a couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 1 minute ago, BennyBlanco said: I’ve seen enough to make a decision that there’s some talent with this lad. Great touch and some of his layoffs have been very good. I don’t think Eddie knows what to do with him, I don’t think he quite knows his best position yet and I do think he’s raw as fuck. I also think that if we jettison him now we’ll regret it in a couple of years. Is a nice touch and some nice lay offs enough for a top 8 PL attacker? Thats Zirkzee, a 20 minute bench player imo. IMO in the PL you can be a budget Drogba and be a really useful player. Half PL strikers fit that build. A budget Berbatov? That doesn’t work here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 I also agree he has some talent. But I don’t think he has enough talent to make up for his shortcomings. At least with How Howe wants to play. Legit a Fulham where they play a bit more. He could find something good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Just now, The College Dropout said: Is a nice touch and some nice lay offs enough for a top 8 PL attacker? Thats Zirkzee, a 20 minute bench player imo. IMO in the PL you can be a budget Drogba and be a really useful player. Half PL strikers fit that build. A budget Berbatov? That doesn’t work here. What about an attacker for a top 14 team? In all seriousness though I believe it is yes if used properly. Right now as with all of our squad house confidence will be hanging out his arse but this is his first season so it's magnified for him probably. Again, like I said in the Wissa thread I haven't given up on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Just now, Gawalls said: What about an attacker for a top 14 team? In all seriousness though I believe it is yes if used properly. Right now as with all of our squad house confidence will be hanging out his arse but this is his first season so it's magnified for him probably. Again, like I said in the Wissa thread I haven't given up on him. I think Howe needs to try something just a little different and playing Nick as a supporting striker and attempting to play through him some is the path he should take. because there’s no other options. Or we can just try to run super hard again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I think Howe needs to try something just a little different and playing Nick as a supporting striker and attempting to play through him some is the path he should take. because there’s no other options. Or we can just try to run super hard again. Totally agree - we have fuck all left to play for so get out your confirm zone and try new things, I'd love to see him and wissa up front with Murphy banging crosses in and osalu waiting on the bench if it doesn't work out, preferably to try on the right. The big problem though is at the back - we can't expect our front line to get three goals every game to get the three points. People will probably jump on me but give Pope another run out and say "go get your place back" - at least he's proved he can keep clean sheets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I think Howe needs to try something just a little different and playing Nick as a supporting striker and attempting to play through him some is the path he should take. because there’s no other options. Or we can just try to run super hard again. Ignore Edited April 19 by Gawalls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Berbatov was world class though,and a little more mobile from what I remember. If Nick's natural game is to drift into pockets to collect then create from there can we not fucking work with that? Maybe work on him arriving late in the box type if thing. Frustrating as hell seeing the lack of creativity from the coaching set up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 14 hours ago, Danh1 said: Read that he played 2nd striker with Dennis Undav at Stuttgart where he thrived. Yes, that's how it was. Eddie gave up on Nick, so there won't be any change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 14 hours ago, KaKa said: Yes, he mostly played with another striker. In the under 21s Euros, he was usually paired with Tresoldi or Weiper too if I remember correctly. Yes, and Nick performed out of this world. Unfortunately, that won't happen under Howe. He's stubbornly clinging to his unsuccessful system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 4 minutes ago, Jack14Bojangles said: Yes, that's how it was. Eddie gave up on Nick, so there won't be any change. I think that’s a bit premature but I am disappointed by how little he’s being used. I feel a fresh start next season will help Howe be more confident to try things, which is part of the reason I want him to get another year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 For the first three months, Nick played as a center forward. Then Eddie switched him to a more defensive role. And that, in my opinion, was the mistake. The Premier League is more physical and faster. Nick needs to work hard to adapt to this. His physical attributes aren't such that he'll become a fast player. In my opinion, Nick has no business being in the final third of the pitch. I'd even forbid him from playing there. His territory is the opponent's half. Defensively, Wolte isn't effective anyway. Other players have to cover that for him. Because of his slowness, he's unavailable for counter-attacks and is then missed up front. But Eddie tried to reshape him, and it backfired. I'm still convinced that if he's used up front, he's a very good player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 But he wasn’t really trying Woltemade in a more defensive role because he thinks he’s good there. He was trying to get him minutes in the team while still having a pressing player up front, and also cope with injuries in midfield. I don’t think anyone believes Woltemade is a midfielder or ever will be. I hope so anyway, anything else is crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 4 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: But he wasn’t really trying Woltemade in a more defensive role because he thinks he’s good there. He was trying to get him minutes in the team while still having a pressing player up front, and also cope with injuries in midfield. I don’t think anyone believes Woltemade is a midfielder or ever will be. I hope so anyway, anything else is crazy. That may be true. But in any case, it's definitely brought Nick's form down. For me, Wolte's place is in attack. I'm willing to accept that others will have to cover his defensive duties. If a counter-attack then develops, he's available for a pass. Unlike some other players, he's capable of playing accurate passes and possesses good game intelligence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanegg Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 5 hours ago, Jack14Bojangles said: Yes, and Nick performed out of this world. Unfortunately, that won't happen under Howe. He's stubbornly clinging to his unsuccessful system. For what it’s worth, didn’t Gordon get player of the tournament in the U21’s playing up front? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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