Menace Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I honestly thought it was made up quotes, this chap is starting to sound more like a LinkedIn salesman by the day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 23 minutes ago, Ben said: ‘An extraordinary window’ - David Hopkinson “Let me tell you, this was an extraordinary transfer window in terms of activity,” the Canadian told talkSPORT. “We have an amazing sporting director in Ross Wilson. He’s been my first call in the morning and last call at night every day this month. “The activity has been incredibly high. We didn’t find the right opportunity for an acquisition but we had the room to do so.” Need to find new people then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 35 minutes ago, Ben said: ‘An extraordinary window’ - David Hopkinson “Let me tell you, this was an extraordinary transfer window in terms of activity,” the Canadian told talkSPORT. “We have an amazing sporting director in Ross Wilson. He’s been my first call in the morning and last call at night every day this month. “The activity has been incredibly high. We didn’t find the right opportunity for an acquisition but we had the room to do so.” Didn’t t find the right opportunity, what the hell have we been doing since August. Baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 53 minutes ago, Displayname said: We saw how Aston Villa signing/loaning a few players last January gave them the energy/optimism needed to finish the season the way they did. Something is seriously broken at this club if we couldn't find anyone to give us a similar injection. Can't comprehend how it could happen and how anyone can defend it. I suppose you can't rule out that something is 'seriously broken'; but to me it's either that, or they've taken a calculated decision to withhold investing now in order to maximise our capabilities in the summer. If you choose to believe everyone at the club who has talked about the window, then I think we'd have done business if a key target was available at a fair price. But they weren't so we didn't. Summer '25 has really hammered home the notion that we simply cannot afford to miss when it comes to recruitment. Villa did stuff last January and it was enough to get them into the Europa League, before being unable to do anything really meaningful at all in the summer window. To their immense credit, that hasn't halted their progress, but I think most here would agree that we can't afford to take that risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I suppose you can't rule out that something is 'seriously broken'; but to me it's either that, or they've taken a calculated decision to withhold investing now in order to maximise our capabilities in the summer. If you choose to believe everyone at the club who has talked about the window, then I think we'd have done business if a key target was available at a fair price. But they weren't so we didn't. Summer '25 has really hammered home the notion that we simply cannot afford to miss when it comes to recruitment. Villa did stuff last January and it was enough to get them into the Europa League, before being unable to do anything really meaningful at all in the summer window. To their immense credit, that hasn't halted their progress, but I think most here would agree that we can't afford to take that risk. It was enough for them to compete for a spot in the CL and to compete it the CL itself, nearly reaching the Semi-finals. It's just faulty result-oriented thinking talking about anything else. It was clearly worth the risk for them. And the impact it had on their summer isn't that relevant to us. We had room to spend, especially on loan signings. Edited February 8 by Displayname Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Displayname said: It was enough for them to compete for a spot in the CL and to compete it the CL itself, nearly reaching the Semi-finals. It's just faulty result-oriented thinking talking about anything else. And the impact it had on their summer isn't that relevant to us. We had room to spend, especially on loan signings. For the record I don't necessarily agree with the decision to stick rather than twist this month. Really I'm just countering the suggestion that something is 'seriously broken.' Tbh I don't think it is, I think they've made calculated decisions intended to be in the best interests of the club. The impact Villa's January had on Villa's summer is an entirely relevant cautionary tale. They got away with not being able to make any real investment. The one player they did spend real money on has already gone out on loan. With the repair job we've got on our hands we can't afford that to be the same for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 9 hours ago, Elbel1 said: Looks like the pasta Nonce is about to be exposed as a shill for hire. I'd be amazed if Ornstein doesn't run a similar scam. This has been known for a while, but it did nothing unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 TBF we spent a fortune on two forwards that hasn't panned out, how would you even start fixing that situation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 7 minutes ago, Yorkie said: For the record I don't necessarily agree with the decision to stick rather than twist this month. Really I'm just countering the suggestion that something is 'seriously broken.' Tbh I don't think it is, I think they've made calculated decisions intended to be in the best interests of the club. The impact Villa's January had on Villa's summer is an entirely relevant cautionary tale. They got away with not being able to make any real investment. The one player they did spend real money on has already gone out on loan. With the repair job we've got on our hands we can't afford that to be the same for us. I'm not suggesting that we should have gone on a spending spree like, it wouldn't have to cost that much to replace Trippier with someone better and give Lewis Hall some much needed cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Displayname said: I'm not suggesting that we should have gone on a spending spree like, it wouldn't have to cost that much to replace Trippier with someone better and give Lewis Hall some much needed cover. I know. Villa didn't go on a spending spree either really; they bought Malen and made some (presumably expensive) loans, and it still completely neutered their ability to operate in the summer market. When it comes to the full-backs we've got Tino, Krafth, Trippier and Miley who can cover RB and Hall and Burn who can cover LB. The flaws in that gallery are extremely obvious but, again - solely in countering the idea that something is 'seriously broken' - you can understand the logic for not investing in a stopgap, weighed against the impact on the summer budget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Ben said: ‘An extraordinary window’ - David Hopkinson “Let me tell you, this was an extraordinary transfer window in terms of activity,” the Canadian told talkSPORT. “We have an amazing sporting director in Ross Wilson. He’s been my first call in the morning and last call at night every day this month. “The activity has been incredibly high. We didn’t find the right opportunity for an acquisition but we had the room to do so.” Choice of adjectives is piss poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I know. Villa didn't go on a spending spree either really; they bought Malen and made some (presumably expensive) loans, and it still completely neutered their ability to operate in the summer market. When it comes to the full-backs we've got Tino, Krafth, Trippier and Miley who can cover RB and Hall and Burn who can cover LB. The flaws in that gallery are extremely obvious but, again - solely in countering the idea that something is 'seriously broken' - you can understand the logic for not investing in a stopgap, weighed against the impact on the summer budget. They must have had problems without even taking their january spending into consideration then. Trippier is finished. Tino is injured. Krafth is injured. Miley is a midfielder and should be used there, giving some much needed rotation for Tonali and Bruno. Burn is one of 3 fit CBs, he seriously can't be considered cover for FB where he also is a huge liability. Sure Tino and Krafth may come back, but our season will already be over by then. Edited February 8 by Displayname Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 6 minutes ago, Displayname said: They must have had problems without even taking their january spending into consideration then. They do; so do we. It's called PSR. You didn't need to list the flaws, like I said: they're obvious. Again I'm just trying to find the nuance and the logic rather than defaulting straight to the Ashley-era style "everyone is a fucking idiot" explanation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Why dont we know about each clubs PSR calculations until its to late ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 12 minutes ago, Displayname said: They must have had problems without even taking their january spending into consideration then. Trippier is finished. Tino is injured. Krafth is injured. Miley is a midfielder and should be used there, giving some much needed rotation for Tonali and Bruno. Burn is one of 3 fit CBs, he seriously can't be considered cover for FB where he also is a huge liability. Sure Tino and Krafth may come back, but our season will already be over by then. This. It’s complete neglect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Eddie's tactics seem to hinge on functioning fullbacks that are dynamic and excellent on the ball. I do think he's been hung out to dry by the recruitment team in that regard if he's been asking for backup there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 5 minutes ago, Nucasol said: This. It’s complete neglect. We've all seen what neglect looks like in the context of this club so it's easy to identify. Do you really believe it's that? They just couldn't give a monkeys about the well-being of the team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 8 minutes ago, Nucasol said: This. It’s complete neglect. There are three alternative options we could have pursued in January 1. Buy a player we really want at an inflated price, likely meaning one fewer signing in the summer. 2. Loan a player, likely sign one fewer player in the summer and not even own that player next season. 3. Sign someone for less who isn’t really good enough long term but can fill a short term gap on a five year deal and hope we can resolve the problem by selling them in 1-2 years. And again also sign one fewer player in the summer. All three of those are poor options. It is not neglect to decide not to do one of them. People blather on about Villa doing this or that - they are going to miss the CL for the second season running (look at the table - their advantage over Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool has collapsed over the past month). That is directly because they fucked themselves by overspending in their CL season and making short term decisions which have hampered them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 35 minutes ago, Yorkie said: We've all seen what neglect looks like in the context of this club so it's easy to identify. Do you really believe it's that? They just couldn't give a monkeys about the well-being of the team? Neglect is a strong word but failing to strengthen at the back: Runs our 36 year old right back into the ground. Puts pressure on our three CBs when one of them has to cover when Trippier inevitably buckles from injury and Tino isn’t back. Takes Miley out the midfield placing more pressure on our rotation options there, particularly with Joelinton crocked. Ensures Tino doesn’t really get a breather when he comes back, meaning another breakdown becomes a risk. The whole thing is more poor planning and management by whoever is holding the cards on this one. Whether it’s Eddie and his gamble/faith Tripps and Krafth are able to cope; or senior management above him vetoing any spend, it’s not a great outcome when chickens come home to roost like yesterday. Another domino tumbling from the chaotic summer of 2025. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 39 minutes ago, stozo said: People blather on about Villa doing this or that - they are going to miss the CL for the second season running (look at the table - their advantage over Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool has collapsed over the past month). That is directly because they fucked themselves by overspending in their CL season and making short term decisions which have hampered them. One other cautionary lesson to take frim Villa, is signing a loan player with an obligation to buy. I would to know how much Elliott is costing them..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Yorkie said: I know. Villa didn't go on a spending spree either really; they bought Malen and made some (presumably expensive) loans, and it still completely neutered their ability to operate in the summer market. When it comes to the full-backs we've got Tino, Krafth, Trippier and Miley who can cover RB and Hall and Burn who can cover LB. The flaws in that gallery are extremely obvious but, again - solely in countering the idea that something is 'seriously broken' - you can understand the logic for not investing in a stopgap, weighed against the impact on the summer budget. It would have zero impact on the summer budget if it was a loan signing - though I agree re something like a ‘panic buy’ permanent transfer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, Ben said: ‘An extraordinary window’ - David Hopkinson “Let me tell you, this was an extraordinary transfer window in terms of activity,” the Canadian told talkSPORT. “We have an amazing sporting director in Ross Wilson. He’s been my first call in the morning and last call at night every day this month. “The activity has been incredibly high. We didn’t find the right opportunity for an acquisition but we had the room to do so.” I’m honestly surprised that everyone’s bullshit detector isn’t ringing with this fella so far. There’s literally no player available in world football which would have been affordable and would have plugged a current squad gap? Give owa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 20 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Neglect is a strong word but failing to strengthen at the back: Runs our 36 year old right back into the ground. Puts pressure on our three CBs when one of them has to cover when Trippier inevitably buckles from injury and Tino isn’t back. Takes Miley out the midfield placing more pressure on our rotation options there, particularly with Joelinton crocked. Ensures Tino doesn’t really get a breather when he comes back, meaning another breakdown becomes a risk. Ensures that we have the maximum budget we can possibly use in the summer window, where the level of squad surgery could be immense The whole thing is more poor planning and management by whoever is holding the cards on this one. Whether it’s Eddie and his gamble/faith Tripps and Krafth are able to cope; or senior management above him vetoing any spend, it’s not a great outcome when chickens come home to roost like yesterday. Another domino tumbling from the chaotic summer of 2025. Added in the item which demonstrates how it's all a balancing act. Again I think it's entirely fair enough to consider it the wrong call not to invest now. My main issue is with the suggestion that it's through some braindead non-decision-making. It was the same all the way through the summer; the accusation of cluelessness, unprofessionalism, stupidity - when no one in the building has demonstrated any of those traits over the past four years. Wilson and Hopkinson have been here for months and weeks, there's no judgement to be made of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 17 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: It would have zero impact on the summer budget if it was a loan signing - though I agree re something like a ‘panic buy’ permanent transfer It does because it increases the amount we will breach UEFA SCR by, which in turn will increase the fine we receive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Just now, stozo said: It does because it increases the amount we will breach UEFA SCR by, which in turn will increase the fine we receive. Agreed, though that depends if we give a shite about a fine or not. Points deductions, transfer embargos and competition bans I can understand wanting to avoid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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