Signings: The Howe Era

[Mike]

I didn't go to college.

[Heron]

14 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

All I know is if thats not backing, lord give me so unbacking.

I don't really get this remark...

 

No-one has commented that he hasn't been backed and evidently most people think the backing he has had and has utilised has been worthwhile (thus far).

 

Curious as to what you answered in the poll?

[Heron]

2 minutes ago, Deuce said:

 

Which players did you think were a success?

[SUPERTOON]

Can’t underestimate the influence Amanda and Mehrdad had on our transfers windows as well. Can only imagine how much their enthusiasm helped get players over the line.

[Heron]

4 minutes ago, Mike said:

I didn't go to college.

 

Which players do you think were a success? Add their values up and divide by 787.25m

 

 

Edited April 26 by Heron

[Kid Icarus]

For lots of different reasons these are the successes imo

 

Isak

Tonali

Gordon

Barnes

Bruno

Tino

Thiaw

Hall signing

Wood

Burn

Trippier

Pope

Kelly

Osula

Targett loan

 

On the fence: 

Minteh 

 

The ones where they're neither failures or successes, but time will tell:

 

Woltemade

Ramsey

Botman

Cordero

 

Failures so far/potential outright failures:

Wissa

Elanga

 

Outright failures:

Targett signing

Vlach 

 

Ones that feel like they can only be categorised as N/A:

Karius

Ruddy

Hall loan

 

 

Edited April 26 by Kid Icarus

[Mike]

I said 17 good signings and then voted 26-50 because of the Newcastle tax. But the hit rate is solid.

[Mike]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

 

Which players do you think were a success? Add their values up and docide by 787.25m

 

Add?! Wew lad I know how to recite the pledge and bbq a cheese burger. Dunno what they taught you in Oxford but that's what the taught us.

 

edit *they

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Mike said:

 

Add?! Wew lad I know how to recite the pledge and bbq a cheese burger. Dunno what they taught you in Oxford but that's what the taught us.

 

edit *they

[Yorkie]

Don't wanna shit on your game @Heron but there's so many shades of good that isn't it a better test to say how many have been bad? It seems to me that the principal argument around the manager and transfers is: he should be sacked because of bad signings, rather than kept because of good signings.

 

It's a really small number who've been outright bad imo. People like Osula and Wood have hardly done/did wonders for us but I don't think you can call them bad signings. Same for the likes of Ramsdale; he's pretty shite but he's just a backup goalie we got on loan. 

 

I'd break it down like this:

 

Amazing

Isak

Bruno

Burn

Trippier 

 

Good

Tonali

Gordon

Barnes

Tino

Botman 

Thiaw*

Hall

Pope

Targett (loan)

 

Less good but not bad

Ramsey*

Wood

Osula 

Ramsdale

Karius 

 

Good for PSR

Vlachodimos

Minteh

Kelly

 

Bad

Targett (permanent)

Woltemade*

Wissa*

Elanga*

 

*I'm breaking my rule here my casting judgement about the most recent signings sooner than I feel you can properly judge. But you can reasonably make a judgement on their contribution so far, which is what the above represents.

[toon25]

Wissa and Elanga are the only write-offs there. Unfortunately they cost a combined 110 million fucking pounds.

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

For lots of different reasons these are the successes imo

 

Isak

Tonali

Gordon

Barnes

Bruno

Tino

Thiaw

Hall signing

Wood

Burn

Trippier

Pope

Kelly

Osula

Targett loan

 

On the fence: 

Minteh 

 

The ones where they're neither failures or successes, but time will tell:

 

Woltemade

Ramsey

Botman

Cordero

 

Failures so far/potential outright failures:

Wissa

Elanga

 

Outright failures:

Targett signing

Vlach 

 

Ones that feel like they can only be categorised as N/A:

Karius

Ruddy

Hall loan

 

 

 

I didn't include Wood because of the valuation although I think he was pivotal for us. Cannot remember if we got our money back on him.

 

Minteh was a success for me as we made money on him.

 

I think Woltemade, Elanga, Wissa, Vlachadimos and Targett (permanent) are the main poor signings and Vlachadimos was evidently not for footballing purposes. I think Woltemade and Elanga may yet prove to have been good signings too but difficult to suggest they are for sure as of yet.

[Wolfcastle]

10 minutes ago, Heron said:

I don't really get this remark...

 

No-one has commented that he hasn't been backed and evidently most people think the backing he has had and has utilised has been worthwhile (thus far).

 

Curious as to what you answered in the poll?

See it nearly every day

[Heron]

2 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Don't wanna shit on your game @Heron but there's so many shades of good that isn't it a better test to say how many have been bad? It seems to me that the principal argument around the manager and transfers is: he should be sacked because of bad signings, rather than kept because of good signings.

 

It's a really small number who've been outright bad imo. People like Osula and Wood have hardly done/did wonders for us but I don't think you can call them bad signings. Same for the likes of Ramsdale; he's pretty shite but he's just a backup goalie we got on loan. 

 

I'd break it down like this:

 

Amazing

Isak

Bruno

Burn

Trippier 

 

Good

Tonali

Gordon

Barnes

Tino

Botman 

Thiaw

Hall

Pope

Targett (loan)

 

Less good but not bad

Ramsey

Wood

Osula 

Ramsdale

Karius 

 

Good for PSR

Vlachodimos

Minteh

Kelly

 

Bad

Targett (permanent)

Woltemade 

Wissa

Elanga 

Fair. But if they represent any kinda of improvement to us as a club then they've been good. Minteh as an example. Didn't play much but we signed him for less than we sold and so that's benefitted us.

 

I guess everyone would have their own ideas how to do this and perhaps this wasn't the best (apologies!), but hopefully it gets to the same outcome.

 

Ultimately, I think this will prove that many don't think Howes signings have been poor, on the whole.

[Heron]

Just now, Wolfcastle said:

See it nearly every day

You're obviously looking in different places to me then

[Yorkie]

Just now, Heron said:

Ultimately, I think this will prove that many don't think Howes signings have been poor, on the whole.

 

Anyone who thinks that needs sectioning really. Last summer went wrong and that's it.

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Anyone who thinks that needs sectioning really. Last summer went wrong and that's it.

That's where I'd like these folk to answer my 3 questions on the previous page  cause presently- I don't get this "evidence" of Howe being a bad manager and so - I think it needs thrown out whilst other more valid "evidence" remains and unfortunately seems to grow at present 

 

 

Edited April 26 by Heron

[Mole]

26 minutes ago, Mike said:

I didn't go to college.

 Genuinely feel like it was unnecessary part of the poll because like if you think they were success surely the money comes into that anyway? Just made us all feel like dumb fucks for no reason.

[Heron]

Just now, Mole said:

 Genuinely feel like it was unnecessary part of the poll because like if you think they were success surely the money comes into that anyway? Just made us all feel like dumb fucks for no reason.

 

 

Jokes aside - I felt it helped to add context or cover more aspects of the discussion by doing that, as if Isak and Woltemade were wastes and Targett and Ruddy were successes then it has a more serious impact financially upon the club.

[Abacus]

OK, clear pluses and minuses then. Based both on sell on value and what they've done for us etc.

 

Pluses;

Isak £77m

Tonali £55m

Gordon £46m

Bruno £42m

Livramento £37m

Botman £37m could argue this based on availability 

Thiaw £35m

Hall £33m

Burn £15m

Trippier £14m

Osula £12m

Pope £12m

Minteh £8m

 

Total - £423m

 

Minuses;

Elanga - £61m

Wissa - £58m

Ramsey - £45m possibly harsh

Targett - £18m

Ramsdale £5m

 

Total - £187m

 

I've left out Wolt altogether as I don't know yet, but that could completely swing it.  And Barnes, because I think he's been fairly neutral. You could pop them in either column and other opinions are available. Also left Vlach out - still think there's a keeper there in an unpopular opinion. Plus the free transfers.

 

I make that a 69% hit rate on those players.

 

I hope I have played the game correctly and that these are all the questions you need to ask.

 

[RS]

I’m picturing Carol Vordeman working this shit out while I’m standing over her riving the fucking heed off it. 

[Maggies]

I’ve got £386.7m of successes (49.1%)

 

Successes are:

Isak

Tonali

Gordon

Bruno

Livramento (he scraped in as his fee feels about right for his performances)

Botman (first season alone)

Thiaw (only just)

Hall

Burn

Trippier

Pope

Minteh (due to resale value)

Kelly (due to resale value)

Targett (loan part)

Hall (loan part)

 

I haven’t added Barnes as not convinced he’s achieved 44m and 7th highest signing levels.

 

 

[Mole]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

 

 

Jokes aside - I felt it helped to add context or cover more aspects of the discussion by doing that, as if Isak and Woltemade were wastes and Targett and Ruddy were successes then it has a more serious impact financially upon the club.

To be clear, I understood you I just wanted to be a funny fuck for no reason. But yeah I understand why you did it, it was just like there was so few examples of who were successes but financially not worth it or failures who were financially worth it that ultimately it doesn't matter that much.

[Heron]

Just now, Mole said:

To be clear, I understood you I just wanted to be a funny fuck for no reason. But yeah I understand why you did it, it was just like there was so few examples of who were successes but financially not worth it or failures who were financially worth it that ultimately it doesn't matter that much.

Haha fair mate.

[Abacus]

2 minutes ago, Maggies said:

I’ve got £386.7m of successes (49.1%)

 

Successes are:

Isak

Tonali

Gordon

Bruno

Livramento (he scraped in as his fee feels about right for his performances)

Botman (first season alone)

Thiaw (only just)

Hall

Burn

Trippier

Pope

Minteh (due to resale value)

Kelly (due to resale value)

Targett (loan part)

Hall (loan part)

 

I haven’t added Barnes as not convinced he’s achieved 44m and 7th highest signing levels.

 

 

My percentages were based on hits vs misses purely, rather than total spend when it's neutral. Sue me