Víctor Muñoz: Signs For Liverpool

[Minhosa]

26 minutes ago, Kanj said:

If we knew we’d face competition or not is irrelevant. If he was a target of ours and we liked the deal at 35 or 35+5, and the asking was 40 flat then pay 40 flat. If the player is keen pay him his wages, and if the agent fee is X pay that. Offer a bonus to both if they agree today or 24 hours. Tell them you’re so keen on him and want it done. Want to make him the face of the new rebuild bla bla bla. Thats speed. That’s offering certainty. It takes care of club player and his people. 

100%. Facing competition for a signing won't exactly be a novelty. There'll be interest from alternative buyers in every single player we're looking at.

[Elephant]

Just now, Minhosa said:

100%. Facing competition for a signing won't exactly be a novelty. There'll be interest from alternative buyers in every single player we're looking at.

Thankfully not with Wissa and Elanga. We should learn from that, if nobody else is interested then there is reason for that.

[Menace]

Ngumoha Munoz and Diamonde as options for left wing is beyond greedy 

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, STM said:

Newcastle didn't do anything wrong in this deal, nothing whatsoever. Trying to make things up with no substance isnt going to help anything. 

 

Thats whats so utterly painful.

 

Games fucked.

 

We cant overspend to build a reputation of ambition.

We cant pick off the smaller clubs than us because the fees are overinflated.

We cant throw wages at players.

Theres no such thing as secret deals anymore.

Theres no such thing as hidden gems anymore.

 

We can identify and talk to whoever we wish, nothing is going to prevent certain clubs from taking them. Nothing.

 

 

Loser mentality btw

[Wallsendmag]

I like the deals where we just swoop in, do it and the first thing anyone knows about it is when it's pretty much signed and sealed like was the the case with Isak, Bruno, Trippier etc.

 

Once it's leaked our chances of success decrease massively.

 

Can't say I'm that arsed about this one as I didn't really know all that much about him.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

Ngumoha Munoz and Diamonde as options for left wing is beyond greedy 

I think Diomande is the Salah replacement. That will put them at what 200m net spend? They kinda sold off the squad last summer as well. 

[gbandit]

16 minutes ago, duo said:

Clearly two camps here:

• Newcastle messed up
• Liverpool were always going to take him

We are never going to agree 

Why do people have to pick one of these binary options though? When we have close to zero insight on what happened with the deal behind closed doors, other than what’s fed to us by journalists that are either paid off or incompetent. 
 

The way people feel the need to stake a claim that they we definitely fucked it or Liverpool definitely fucked us is the primary problem on the forum. People making concrete judgements about things where they have very limited information to inform those judgements.

 

My particular take is that I believe there are issues with how we complete deals and our transfer approach, as evidenced by multiple prior failed transfers and I think we are very often going to be beaten to a player’s signature by other clubs who have Europe to offer, more historical success, higher likelihood of winning the league, bigger wages, bigger brand etc but I’m not going to sit here and say it’s definitely this or that 

[STM]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Loser mentality btw

 

You would know. 

[The College Dropout]

30 minutes ago, Kanj said:

If we knew we’d face competition or not is irrelevant. If he was a target of ours and we liked the deal at 35 or 35+5, and the asking was 40 flat then pay 40 flat. If the player is keen pay him his wages, and if the agent fee is X pay that. Offer a bonus to both if they agree today or 24 hours. Tell them you’re so keen on him and want it done. Want to make him the face of the new rebuild bla bla bla. Thats speed. That’s offering certainty. It takes care of club player and his people. 

Disagree. In any walk of life - the ferocity of competition impacts your behaviour. It's true in the animal kingdom, it's true of commerce, it's true of government.

[Minhosa]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Disagree. In any walk of life - the ferocity of competition impacts your behaviour. It's true in the animal kingdom, it's true of commerce, it's true of government.

Aye but in terms of deal making speed, you have to act like there is competition, irrespective of whether there is or not.

 

If we wait long enough, there will be.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

That's fine but it still has to fit in their budget, in their positional priorities and in with their timeline. If if doesn't, for whatever reason, the guy is stuck at £50k if we pull out. That's the leverage we need to start using by having very firm and fast deal parameters with added agent incentives....

 

He still goes to Liverpool then, even worse Liverpool have a bigger wage budget as they save on his wages. Agencies are all part of the same rigged deck. Really we need to have meaningful intelligence about other clubs to allow us to determine the time we should spend on deals and a degree of control over the intelligence other clubs have about our movements in the market. How possible is that? Who knows. 

As always with transfers it's all predicated on knowing all the information. Analogies are great but they aren't made on the basis of full facts. Prioritising time is great, but the focus needs to be on concluding deals with the best available players, that may take longer than we'd like because we aren't able to offer the top wages. There'll be a lot more nuance to it than just ok well agree this or we walk away. 

 

[TRon]

22 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

No - Liverpool didn't negotiate. They activated his release clause. No need for negotiation.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/jun/18/victor-munoz-liverpool-newcastle-andoni-iraola-transfer-news#:~:text=The Osasuna winger Víctor Muñoz,beating Newcastle to his signature.

The Osasuna winger Víctor Muñoz will become the first signing of Andoni Iraola’s reign at Liverpool after the club triggered a £34.5m release clause, beating Newcastle to his signature. Muñoz will sign a six-year contract after undergoing a medical on Wednesday in Atlanta, where he is part of the Spain squad at the World Cup.

Liverpool have been following Muñoz’s progress for an extensive period and sped up the deal after Iraola’s appointment because the head coach was eager to add his compatriot. Iraola spent most of his playing career at Athletic Bilbao, continues to closely monitor La Liga and Muñoz has impressed him.

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They let us negotiate the terms of Munoz's contract, that probably saved them a few bob. 

[STM]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Disagree. In any walk of life - the ferocity of competition impacts your behaviour. It's true in the animal kingdom, it's true of commerce, it's true of government.

 

Do you listen to yourself? 

[The College Dropout]

Just now, STM said:

 

You would know. 

No seriously - if you fail in an endeavour and don't look for ways to improve going forward - you will be a loser.

 

I don't see how you can confidently state there is nothing the club could have done better. By reports - the club are investigating how this deal was lost.

 

I do think at time we'll just get gazumped and that's life. But in this case - there are obvious questions to ask.

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I think Diomande is the Salah replacement. That will put them at what 200m net spend? They kinda sold off the squad last summer as well. 

Looks better off the left to me off 1 game.

[Wallsendmag]

Bloody Howe again! 

[Kanj]

2 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

Aye but in terms of deal making speed, you have to act like there is competition, irrespective of whether there is or not.

 

If we wait long enough, there will be.

Yep. Just saying we shouldn’t anticipate a free run at any player and have to assume everyone is out for the same pool. Get it done. If he’s a target get it done. 

[TRon]

6 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

I like the deals where we just swoop in, do it and the first thing anyone knows about it is when it's pretty much signed and sealed like was the the case with Isak, Bruno, Trippier etc.

 

Once it's leaked our chances of success decrease massively.

 

Can't say I'm that arsed about this one as I didn't really know all that much about him.

 

 

Those deals were a lot easier when we were fighting relegation and flying under the radar tbf. 

[Craig]

Do Liverpool not need to negotiate a release fee with Real Madrid, or are things like that only for little old Newcastle

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

Bloody Howe again! 

As some who believes Andy Howe should never have been hiredz we can't be blaming him for this happening like

[STM]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

No seriously - if you fail in an endeavour and don't look for ways to improve going forward - you will be a loser.

 

I don't see how you can confidently state there is nothing the club could have done better. By reports - the club are investigating how this deal was lost.

 

I do think at time we'll just get gazumped and that's life. But in this case - there are obvious questions to ask.

Looks better off the left to me off 1 game.

 

So you are saying there is no scenario where someone can do everything right and still not achieve the desired outcome?

 

Also, just to be clear, I fully expect the club to have an inquest. I just dont expect YOU to have an inquest.

 

Once again we are back in the place where certain individuals are talking about topics that they dont have a clue in preaching like an expert.

 

Munoz joined Liverpool because they are in a better place to win silverware and are better placed to offer him more money. The idea that "if theyd just done better" we'd have got the deal done, is utter tripe.

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

As some who believes Andy Howe should never have been hiredz we can't be blaming him for this happening like

 

It was tongue in cheek 

[Pablo]

The cartel are out to destroy the threat of Newcastle. They will buy anyone who is considered decent who we are after now simply to stop us. It happened a number of times last season and it’s happening again. They are trying to break us, and there is nothing we can do about it. 6 teams can spend at least twice as much as us. They don’t even have to play these players and can let them rot, it doesn’t matter to their financial results, scr, ffp etc.

The player takes the bigger wage offer, the selling club don’t care as long as the cartel match out offer. The only way we make a signing is when the player actually chooses us which probably comes with lower wages, or if we can wrap it up with zero media knowledge, and zero agent or club leaks.

The transfer game we think we are playing is rigged, as there is a more sinister game at play, and 6 cartel clubs in England are colluding to stop their possible competition from growing.

 

my genuine expectation is had we activated the release clause 2 weeks ago, Liverpool would still have swooped in and matched it. We’d have just been spared the indignity of it being played out for 2 weeks.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

So you are saying there is no scenario where someone can do everything right and still not achieve the desired outcome?

 

Also, just to be clear, I fully expect the club to have an inquest. I just dont expect YOU to have an inquest.

 

Once again we are back in the place where certain individuals are talking about topics that they dont have a clue in preaching like an expert.

 

Munoz joined Liverpool because they are in a better place to win silverware and are better placed to offer him more money. The idea that "if theyd just done better" we'd have got the deal done, is utter tripe.

Not sure we did everything right though

[r0cafella]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

It was tongue in cheek 

I better take a bath as defending Andy Howe wasnt on my itinerary today

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Pablo said:

The cartel are out to destroy the threat of Newcastle. They will buy anyone who is considered decent who we are after now simply to stop us. It happened a number of times last season and it’s happening again. They are trying to break us, and there is nothing we can do about it. 6 teams can spend at least twice as much as us. They don’t even have to play these players and can let them rot, it doesn’t matter to their financial results, scr, ffp etc.

The player takes the bigger wage offer, the selling club don’t care as long as the cartel match out offer. The only way we make a signing is when the player actually chooses us which probably comes with lower wages, or if we can wrap it up with zero media knowledge, and zero agent or club leaks.

The transfer game we think we are playing is rigged, as there is a more sinister game at play, and 6 cartel clubs in England are colluding to stop their possible competition from growing.

 

my genuine expectation is had we activated the release clause 2 weeks ago, Liverpool would still have swooped in and matched it. We’d have just been spared the indignity of it being played out for 2 weeks.

They aren't, we are not a threat.