sbnufc Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Whats the point in expanding the ground? There isn't one at the minute. However a successful, ambitious NUFC is capable of attracting 60k+ crowds on a regular basis. We're at a very low ebb right now and have been for a few years but we're still attracting 50,000 to our games. 20 years ago the likes of Spurs, Man City and West Ham were pulling in 25-30k. Now Man City are filling a 55k stadium, West Ham are moving into one which they expect to fill and Spurs will have a 61k stadium in a few years. It's called ambition and foresight. On the flip side, we could only ever expand the gallowgate, adding a few extra thousand (probably to 60k or something). If we were going to expand and had the need to expand from the current 52k, we'd probably want higher than 8,000 more seats.. so a new stadium would be needed regardless No. aye No. 8,000 extra seats would be a fraction of the cost of a new stadium and with a successful and loved NUFC would be financially viable to bring in an extra £5M or so per season to pay for itself in the medium term. A new stadium would cost a fortune, almost certainly be located outside Newcastle and is just a non starter even if we had a decent team again. ..and long term? You can't do anything else with St James' once the Gallowgate is done. To fill 60,000 we'd need new owners (Man City rich) and be up in the top 4 or 5 regularly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 That would be sufficient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 We still get 50,000+ fairly regularly with this team, this form, this owner and many long term regulars having packed in. Somehow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Perhaps I'm underestimating our fanbase. Not convinced we'd get 60k even remotely regularly under a new owner and still mid-lower table finishes though. We've had 50,000 or more 4 times (Arsenal 50,388, Leicester 50,151, Liverpool 51,273 & Everton 51,682) out of 12 this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Perhaps I'm underestimating our fanbase. Not convinced we'd get 60k even remotely regularly under a new owner and still mid-lower table finishes though. We've had 50,000 or more 4 times out of 12 this season Yet you are advocating building a new stadium over expansion of the Gallowgate ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Perhaps I'm underestimating our fanbase. Not convinced we'd get 60k even remotely regularly under a new owner and still mid-lower table finishes though. We've had 50,000 or more 4 times out of 12 this season Yet you are advocating building a new stadium over expansion of the Gallowgate ! Nooo, I'm saying IF we had the need to expand the Gallowgate, we'd probably have need to go bigger. But we couldnt go any bigger at the current St James' anyway. Might a well cut out the middle part (Gallowgate expansion) and go straight to the bigger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Perhaps I'm underestimating our fanbase. Not convinced we'd get 60k even remotely regularly under a new owner and still mid-lower table finishes though. We've had 50,000 or more 4 times out of 12 this season Yet you are advocating building a new stadium over expansion of the Gallowgate ! Nooo, I'm saying IF we had the need to expand the Gallowgate, we'd probably have need to go bigger. But we couldnt go any bigger at the current St James' anyway. Might a well cut out the middle part (Gallowgate expansion) and go straight to the bigger Factor in the costs to the returns and your idea is bonkers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Perhaps I'm underestimating our fanbase. Not convinced we'd get 60k even remotely regularly under a new owner and still mid-lower table finishes though. We've had 50,000 or more 4 times out of 12 this season Yet you are advocating building a new stadium over expansion of the Gallowgate ! Nooo, I'm saying IF we had the need to expand the Gallowgate, we'd probably have need to go bigger. But we couldnt go any bigger at the current St James' anyway. Might a well cut out the middle part (Gallowgate expansion) and go straight to the bigger Factor in the costs to the returns and your idea is bonkers. I'll accept that What happens when we need bigger than 60k though? New stadium will come eventually anyway (unless something can be done about the listed building). I'm assume that if the time did ever come where we needed more than 60k it'd probably be long after my lifetime anyway so.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I have zero idea what you're going on about like The Emirates Stadium cost around £400 million and that was 10 years ago for a 60,000 seater. Do the math...s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Listed buildings behind? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Perhaps I'm underestimating our fanbase. Not convinced we'd get 60k even remotely regularly under a new owner and still mid-lower table finishes though. We've had 50,000 or more 4 times (Arsenal 50,388, Leicester 50,151, Liverpool 51,273 & Everton 51,682) out of 12 this season Man City were getting 2k short most weeks in the old capacity but are getting close to capacity now in a bigger stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? Are you on the fucking wind up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? there would be virtually no change in design for the replacement. I once thought a two tier stand overhanging like highbury built in the 90s, but too high for light I believe. Remember mates in the 80s saying when they knocked the west stand down we should have moved the pitch west- didnt see it myself at the time- but they were proved right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? Think I know what you mean but this reads very funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? EDIT : Ah, you're talking about the East Stand aren't you ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? EDIT : Ah, you're talking about the East Stand aren't you ? I asumed so- reading back tho- looks like he means leazes terrace. hmm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? Post of the year, 3 out of 4 years. Gotta be nailed on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? there would be virtually no change in design for the replacement. I once thought a two tier stand overhanging like highbury built in the 90s, but too high for light I believe. Remember mates in the 80s saying when they knocked the west stand down we should have moved the pitch west- didnt see it myself at the time- but they were proved right. That's what I was thinking something link the North Bank at Highbury. Tbf, it's a very old stand now, facilities are quite poor and will need refurbishing at some point soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? EDIT : Ah, you're talking about the East Stand aren't you ? Yes I was, I'm allu Ah reet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? EDIT : Ah, you're talking about the East Stand aren't you ? Yes I was, I'm allu Ah reet. That was quick, I had a double quote in my reply box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I feel like I've been told this before, but why can't the east stand be expanded? Leazes Terrace behind the East Stand is a magnificent example of Georgian architecture and Grade I listed. Could it potentially be demolished and improved though? there would be virtually no change in design for the replacement. I once thought a two tier stand overhanging like highbury built in the 90s, but too high for light I believe. Remember mates in the 80s saying when they knocked the west stand down we should have moved the pitch west- didnt see it myself at the time- but they were proved right. That's what I was thinking something link the North Bank at Highbury. Tbf, it's a very old stand now, facilities are quite poor and will need refurbishing at some point soon. The facilities in the East Stand are fine and were refurbished when the ground was extended to 52k and the old boxes taken out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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