St James' Park

[OpenC]

I'm never going to agree that what's happening now is just a perfectly natural evolution of English football's journey since 1992 and of Newcastle United, and I don't agree with a fair bit of that in all honesty but it's all good, we don't have to agree on what we think is important or what we think is worth risking the sacrifice of

 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by OpenC

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, OpenC said:

I'm never going to agree that what's happening now is just a perfectly natural evolution of English football's journey since 1992 and of Newcastle United, and I don't agree with a fair bit of that in all honesty but it's all good, we don't have to agree on what we think is important or what we think is worth risking the sacrifice of

 

 

 

100% mate - and believe me, I’m not happy about the journey of English football  

[Disco]

10 hours ago, OpenC said:

 

Nah, really. I can't believe the outrage at the proposed super league breakaway has so quickly become just wanting desperately to be part of that same cartel that we all know is completely and utterly fucking the sport.

 

If people want to be part of that because it's the only way to compete then fair enough, like I say I'm not trying to speak for anyone else. I think it's a fucking shit state of affairs and have no interest in us being part of pulling the ladder up

 

 

 

The lack of a) punishment and b) traditional British media response of fucking off what was ruining the entire system we have all known is and will forever be an absolute stain…(until it probably happens).

[TomYam]

4 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Competing doesn’t mean joining them.  
 

Football sold its soul decades ago - John Hall got ridiculously excited about joining the ‘Super League’ (as he used to sometimes call the PL) and couldn’t wait to fuck over the other (then) 70 clubs and keep most of the cash.  The ladder was pulled up in 1992, not 2022.  The European Super League was and is a catastrophically bad idea - but I fail to remember any whines or complaints from our support when Hall was also banging on about a European Super League in the ‘90s, with us as members.  The ‘Champions League’ was created to maximise money for the big boys and absolutely wrecked the balance of European football to the extent that no Eastern European side ever looks competitive in Europe.  The FA Cup has been torpedoed because the ‘rewards’ are not great enough; so top flight sides will play their stiffs and go out early to avoid the risk not finishing 15th again.  The sport has been fucked for decades now - clubs trying to duck out of cups early because of the ‘risks’ to PL status has been far, far more damaging than PSR / FFP.  
 

The support has been exploited throughout all of this - English football went all seater then ramped up the prices contrary to the express advice of Lord Taylor (who stated that all seater grounds should not mean the support being exploited for cash); piss poor clobber for high prices (which our old owners had a good laugh about), obscene ticket and TV pricing, and for all the talk about SJP, I can remember the ‘bond scheme’ and the Platinum club’s introduction; all about getting the most money possible, basically SJP in the ‘90s is what Spurs have today, and I’m meant to get misty-eyed about it?  
 

SJP in its current form isn’t some bastion of football stadium purity; it’s a chrysalis form of what other clubs are now building and we are at severe risk of being left well behind.  We’ve potentially got a chance with the current ownership to build a ground that would help us compete at the elite level, as well as bringing in a billion quid or more of investment (and jobs) into the poorest region in Britain - and folks are upset because the stadium footprint might be moved 100 metres up the road?

Excellent post, BB. I agree wholeheartedly with all you've written there.

It's deeply depressing that this is what football at a higher level has become, but it is what it is and Newcastle United must adapt to compete with the lionized 'elite'.

[OverThere]

12 minutes ago, TomYam said:

Excellent post, BB. I agree wholeheartedly with all you've written there.

It's deeply depressing that this is what football at a higher level has become, but it is what it is and Newcastle United must adapt to compete with the lionized 'elite'.

Has become? It was always like this just at a different level and we were never at the top table. Before Man C was Man U and before that was Liverpool.

[TomYam]

2 hours ago, OverThere said:

Has become? It was always like this just at a different level and we were never at the top table. Before Man C was Man U and before that was Liverpool.

I was meaning since the late '80s when 3 or 4 clubs assumed control over the governance of football in England. Of course the decade before that wasn't much fun either (with crumbling stadiums and rife hooliganism), but at least there was a far greater equilibrium.

[bobbydazzla]

I’d prefer current location, but with a bigger stadium that wasn’t lopsided 

 

But can’t see it being possible given site restrictions and lack of short term ground share 

 

Moving into Leazers Park area doesn’t really affect location, so I’d be very happy with that

 

Moving to Arena site (unlikely) is so close to current site that whilst it’s a new location I’d be happy 

 

Out of town location (hopefully unlikely), I’d find that difficult to accept 

 

And the current stadium was impressive 20+ years ago but now is very dated and tired

 

Even if the very least you want is to get through a turnstile quickly, have a piss & get a drink, these are all a pain in the arse currently

Plus the acoustics are shite, you can’t even see the whole ground from back and east corner of Gallowgate and we desperately need to move people to get like minded folk together and get more standing 

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[Tross]

 

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

Moving into Leazers Park area doesn’t really affect location, so I’d be very happy with that

 

 

 

 

 

 

I reckon if you call it 'Leazers' you shouldn't be allowed in the ground.

[bobbydazzla]

23 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

 

I reckon if you call it 'Leazers' you shouldn't be allowed in the ground.

Wouldn't affect me. Have already got a lifetime stadium ban for sneaking into the family enclosure dressed like The Child Catcher out of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang 

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[PauloGeordio]

11 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Wouldn't affect me. Have already got a lifetime stadium ban for sneaking into the family enclosure dressed like The Child Catcher out of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang 

 

 

 

Lollipops 🍭 

[TBG]

Could we not just cut the current seats in half, allowing us to double the seat capacity. 

[Harry 209]

22 minutes ago, TBG said:

Could we not just cut the current seats in half, allowing us to double the seat capacity. 

A few too many of the 5XXL lads for that to work.

[bobbydazzla]

14 minutes ago, Harry 209 said:

A few too many of the 5XXL lads for that to work.

 

Force them to sign up for Wegovy jabs or they don't get in

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[TBG]

18 minutes ago, Harry 209 said:

A few too many of the 5XXL lads for that to work.

 

 

They will all be moved to the newly expanded "Level 14" with stair only access. 

[TBG]

The stand however will need reinforced.

[OverThere]

49 minutes ago, TBG said:

Could we not just cut the current seats in half, allowing us to double the seat capacity. 

Replace the seats with benches and so long as you don't have 52000 fat bastards the capacity will be 70k. Bingo! 😄 

[Groundhog63]

8 minutes ago, OverThere said:

Replace the seats with benches and so long as you don't have 52000 fat bastards the capacity will be 70k. Bingo! 😄 

East Stand whispers "hi" 

[Superior Acuña]

Have people on the pitch ala Sam Fender. Match played in Longbenton and put on a big screen. 

[LFEE]

Just watching “Man City 4 in a row” documentary. A reminder not that I needed one how much we need to do to close the gap and compete on a regular basis.

[Chicken Dancer]

I don't think they'll ever consider moving out of the city. The council would absolutely shit a brick due to the loss in ££ for the city.

 

Also the likes of Spurs can maximise matchday revenue is because there's only a handful of bars within the proximity of their stadium, so people will likely have a good drink/feed in the ground pre-match. I must say having been there I was impressed at how quickly you can get served and get a piss.

 

It's ingrained in our fans - and I hope that would never change - to drink in the town pre and post match. We all have our favourite watering holes. So even making a shiny new stadium on Leazes Park/Castle Leazes probably wouldn't generate as much ££ from food & drink as other new stadiums probably do.

[Stifler]

9 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I don't think they'll ever consider moving out of the city. The council would absolutely shit a brick due to the loss in ££ for the city.

 

Also the likes of Spurs can maximise matchday revenue is because there's only a handful of bars within the proximity of their stadium, so people will likely have a good drink/feed in the ground pre-match. I must say having been there I was impressed at how quickly you can get served and get a piss.

 

It's ingrained in our fans - and I hope that would never change - to drink in the town pre and post match. We all have our favourite watering holes. So even making a shiny new stadium on Leazes Park/Castle Leazes probably wouldn't generate as much ££ from food & drink as other new stadiums probably do.

If we get a 75k-80k seater stadium, you only need a few of those new coming in for pre-match pints and food to increase your revenue now.

The success of the Stack just shows how much demand there is for such venues, despite being in the city centre.

I’d argue that it means the club have to go out of their way to make their offerings better.

A £7-£10 pint of Madri, and an overcooked pie/burger isn’t going to cut it when you have a city offering better. They’ll likely have to team up with someone like Anarchy Brew to offer beers you can’t get elsewhere. A few more ‘Wor Beer’ to fund more flag displays, better food, including getting people in like Meat:Stack etc in.

[bobbydazzla]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

If we get a 75k-80k seater stadium, you only need a few of those new coming in for pre-match pints and food to increase your revenue now.

The success of the Stack just shows how much demand there is for such venues, despite being in the city centre.

I’d argue that it means the club have to go out of their way to make their offerings better.

A £7-£10 pint of Madri, and an overcooked pie/burger isn’t going to cut it when you have a city offering better. They’ll likely have to team up with someone like Anarchy Brew to offer beers you can’t get elsewhere. A few more ‘Wor Beer’ to fund more flag displays, better food, including getting people in like Meat:Stack etc in.

 

 

"Good afternoon concourse barman, I'll have pint of the hazy PSR Pale Ale please, not only is it a balance between vibrant tropical fruit flavour and smooth drinkability but I'm also doing my bit for our balance sheet.

Oh and can I have a packet of the FMV artisan pork scratchings please, it'll take us closer to being able to buy a new right winger"

 

TBH that Madri beer is so shite I'd rather drink a pint of steaming piss out of the silver troughs

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[TRon]

18 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Competing doesn’t mean joining them.  
 

Football sold its soul decades ago - John Hall got ridiculously excited about joining the ‘Super League’ (as he used to sometimes call the PL) and couldn’t wait to fuck over the other (then) 70 clubs and keep most of the cash.  The ladder was pulled up in 1992, not 2022.  The European Super League was and is a catastrophically bad idea - but I fail to remember any whines or complaints from our support when Hall was also banging on about a European Super League in the ‘90s, with us as members.  The ‘Champions League’ was created to maximise money for the big boys and absolutely wrecked the balance of European football to the extent that no Eastern European side ever looks competitive in Europe.  The FA Cup has been torpedoed because the ‘rewards’ are not great enough; so top flight sides will play their stiffs and go out early to avoid the risk not finishing 15th again.  The sport has been fucked for decades now - clubs trying to duck out of cups early because of the ‘risks’ to PL status has been far, far more damaging than PSR / FFP.  
 

The support has been exploited throughout all of this - English football went all seater then ramped up the prices contrary to the express advice of Lord Taylor (who stated that all seater grounds should not mean the support being exploited for cash); piss poor clobber for high prices (which our old owners had a good laugh about), obscene ticket and TV pricing, and for all the talk about SJP, I can remember the ‘bond scheme’ and the Platinum club’s introduction; all about getting the most money possible, basically SJP in the ‘90s is what Spurs have today, and I’m meant to get misty-eyed about it?  
 

SJP in its current form isn’t some bastion of football stadium purity; it’s a chrysalis form of what other clubs are now building and we are at severe risk of being left well behind.  We’ve potentially got a chance with the current ownership to build a ground that would help us compete at the elite level, as well as bringing in a billion quid or more of investment (and jobs) into the poorest region in Britain - and folks are upset because the stadium footprint might be moved 100 metres up the road?

 

 

Great post.

[Chicken Dancer]

3 hours ago, Stifler said:

If we get a 75k-80k seater stadium, you only need a few of those new coming in for pre-match pints and food to increase your revenue now.

The success of the Stack just shows how much demand there is for such venues, despite being in the city centre.

I’d argue that it means the club have to go out of their way to make their offerings better.

A £7-£10 pint of Madri, and an overcooked pie/burger isn’t going to cut it when you have a city offering better. They’ll likely have to team up with someone like Anarchy Brew to offer beers you can’t get elsewhere. A few more ‘Wor Beer’ to fund more flag displays, better food, including getting people in like Meat:Stack etc in.

Yeah stack fair enough but I think they’d have to offer something special to take the masses away from their normal routine on a Saturday. 
 

A fancy restaurant would be decent, open all week. They should have made Wings like that imo, it’s lush in there.