St James' Park

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Tyneside Life is just a symptom of a much, much, much bigger problem.

 

Lots of people in society can't think objectively and don't take those type of videos with a pinch of salt. They see that YouTube bullshit and believe it to be true.

 

Never underestimate the gullibility of people and how dangerous filling their minds with lies can be. If people believe that football bullshit, they're gullible enough to believe anything that they see.

 

Sorry, that's got a bit heavy, but I feel very strongly about it.

 

100%

[Kid Icarus]

25 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Tyneside Life is just a symptom of a much, much, much bigger problem.

 

Lots of people in society can't think objectively and don't take those type of videos with a pinch of salt. They see that YouTube bullshit and believe it to be true.

 

Never underestimate the gullibility of people and how dangerous filling their minds with lies can be. If people believe that football bullshit, they're gullible enough to believe anything that they see.

 

Sorry, that's got a bit heavy, but I feel very strongly about the dumbing down of society.

 

I mean, I don't disagree I just think personal autonomy and responsibility are much more important. ie the solution isn't that bullshitters should be silenced, but that people should have the skills to spot bullshitters. 

 

Again though, I don't think Tyneside Life is particularly egregious on that front in the grand scheme of things. On SJP he's no different to a lot of the amateur sleuth posts there are on here. 

[Wandy]

Although I agree that Tyneside Eddie is full of himself I don't think he has said much wrong in that latest video, although his tone has definitely changed from "never going to happen" to highlighting just how big the problems are with moving on to Leazes Park. The idea of completely demolishing it for a super stadium just seems impossible to me, and I always thought squeezing a slightly bigger version of SJP onto a portion of the park was not really feasible either. If the Saudis do this then they will want to go big.

 

Trouble is, if this doesn't happen then I don't know where we go from here. I can't even think of a suitable site on the outskirts of the city that would be accessible via acceptable transport links. In summary, if Leazes Park doesn't happen we look goosed.

 

I still say moving Leazes Terrace deeper into the park to allow a proper expansion of SJP is the most realistic option and I don't really understand why it's not been discussed.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2025 by Wandy

[Wallsendmag]

Surely building on a park which only involves demolishing a bandstand which is dropping to bits anyway and the removal of some trees (and replanting new ones at the current SJP site if a land swap was proposed) would be far easier than shifting Leazes Terrace?

[Stifler]

Building on Castle Leazes where it’s just grass with a slight encroachment over the tree line into Leazes Park is the best and easiest solution to me.

[bobbydazzla]

22 minutes ago, Wandy said:

Although I agree that Tyneside Eddie is full of himself I don't think he has said much wrong in that latest video, although his tone has definitely changed from "never going to happen" to highlighting just how big the problems are with moving on to Leazes Park. The idea of completely demolishing it for a super stadium just seems impossible to me, and I always thought squeezing a slightly bigger version of SJP onto a portion of the park was not really feasible either. If the Saudis do this then they will want to go big.

 

Trouble is, if this doesn't happen then I don't know where we go from here. I can't even think of a suitable site on the outskirts of the city that would be accessible via acceptable transport links. In summary, if Leazes Park doesn't happen we look goosed.

 

I still say moving Leazes Terrace deeper into the park to allow a proper expansion of SJP is the most realistic option and I don't really understand why it's not been discussed.

 

 

 

 

You reckon the deconstruction then reconstruction in a new location of a large scale Grade I listed occupied residential building that has been designated as being of exceptional historical interest and protected by law, is the most realistic option ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2025 by bobbydazzla

[Bellis80]

We should play our 19 home games at a different Premier League ground each week for a season so people see how none of these places are any better than what we have in terms of location, being able to get a piss at half time or watching a game of football.

[Wandy]

7 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

You reckon the deconstruction then reconstruction in a new location of a large scale Grade I listed occupied residential building that has been designated as being of exceptional historical interest and protected by law, is the most realistic option ?

 

Compared to demolishing the park? Absolutely.

[Danh1]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Tyneside Life is just a symptom of a much, much, much bigger problem.

 

Lots of people in society can't think objectively and don't take those type of videos with a pinch of salt. They see that YouTube bullshit and believe it to be true.

 

Never underestimate the gullibility of people and how dangerous filling their minds with lies can be. If people believe that football bullshit, they're gullible enough to believe anything that they see.

 

Sorry, that's got a bit heavy, but I feel very strongly about the dumbing down of society.

 

 

 

 

Tremendously put. 
 

False information, even more so in the real world and not football is dangerous. 

[Wandy]

9 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

Surely building on a park which only involves demolishing a bandstand which is dropping to bits anyway and the removal of some trees (and replanting new ones at the current SJP site if a land swap was proposed) would be far easier than shifting Leazes Terrace?

 

As mentioned in the video, doing that limits the size of the stadium you can fit on that amount of land. And you still have to figure in accessibilty around the site.

[LordJake]

1 minute ago, Wandy said:

 

Compared to demolishing the park? Absolutely.

It’s not just Leazes Terrace though, you would have to demolish St James’ Terrace and St James’ Street to expand that side. It’s a complete non starter 

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Wandy said:

 

As mentioned in the video, doing that limits the size of the stadium you can fit on that amount of land. And you still have to figure in accessibilty around the site.

 

There's still plenty of land there to build a 70k stadium, especially if we were able to encroach over the current land that SJP stand on like what Spurs did. If anything accessibility would be improved as you'd have Barrack Road pn one side and Richardson Road on the other.

 

Obviously a quick look at Google Earth tells you where the easiest site to build on would be!

 

[Wandy]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

There's still plenty of land there to build a 70k stadium, especially if we were able to encroach over the current land that SJP stand on like what Spurs did. If anything accessibility would be improved as you'd have Barrack Road pn one side and Richardson Road on the other.

 

Obviously a quick look at Google Earth tells you where the easiest site to build on would be!

 

 

Town Moor seems a definite non-starter to me. The accessibility to it would be dreadful. And you can guarantee that the residents of Jesmond would object to having their streets swamped by thousands of football fans most weeks.

[bobbydazzla]

11 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Compared to demolishing the park? Absolutely.

 

I'm not watching that Tyneside Life gubbins, so you'll have to tell me what in the park needs demolishing ? There's a duck pond, a band stand and a derelict house.

 

[bobbydazzla]

18 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

We should play our 19 home games at a different Premier League ground each week for a season so people see how none of these places are any better than what we have in terms of location, being able to get a piss at half time or watching a game of football.

 

There's not a single stadium (combination of location, building and facilities) in the top flight that's better than ours ?

 

If that was the case, why haven't all clubs with new stadiums built replicas of St James' Park so they can at least have the best possible building and facilities.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2025 by bobbydazzla

[Wallsendmag]

4 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Town Moor seems a definite non-starter to me. The accessibility to it would be dreadful. And you can guarantee that the residents of Jesmond would object to having their streets swamped by thousands of football fans most weeks.

 

Accessibility wouldn't be an issue I'd have thought. Certainly better roads around there than there are at St James'. Don't think people would really change their match day habits if we moved to there other than having to leave the pub maybe 10 minutes earlier so the vast majority would still be attending from the city centre meaning the students of Jesmond wouldn't be inconvenienced too much. Even the likes of myself and everyone else from the East side of Jesmond still wouldn't be going anywhere near there on a match day.

[TRon]

15 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

We could easily sell 55k season tickets. Probably a lot more if that was the route the club wanted to go down meaning we could easily fill a 70k stadium every week. If the club capped season tickets at, say 35,000 and then continued charging obscene amounts for the other seats then it wouldn't be full.

 

It's all to do with the pricing. We sold out an early round League Cup match v Wimbledon at 1 weeks notice last season because it was priced fairly. With stanard tickets for yesterday being priced at between £58-£97 you're vastly restricting which fans can afford to attend and therefore have a much smaller pool of available punters.

 

 

It's also due to availability. I haven't had a season ticket since the Ashley days, but if I want to go to a game I usually want at least two tickets. If enough tickets were available I could probably spring for four most weeks. So there's another argument for a 70k stadium, there are plenty of people out there who would go if they thought they could get in with a partner or with family.

[LFEE]

I thought you youngins were meant to be the more tolerant generation? Poor Eddie 

[Wandy]

22 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

I'm not watching that Tyneside Life gubbins, so you'll have to tell me what in the park needs demolishing ? There's a duck pond, a band stand and a derelict house.

 

 

The premise is that the whole park needs to go in order for PIF to realise their stadium vision.

[Sibierski]

Leazes is most logical if the city back it, because it not only edges the stadium a bit further out, but it provides scope to add commercial space where Gallowgate sites currently so for the city, there’s more shops / eateries that side of city centre for all the student accommodation.

[Wandy]

17 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Accessibility wouldn't be an issue I'd have thought. Certainly better roads around there than there are at St James'. Don't think people would really change their match day habits if we moved to there other than having to leave the pub maybe 10 minutes earlier so the vast majority would still be attending from the city centre meaning the students of Jesmond wouldn't be inconvenienced too much. Even the likes of myself and everyone else from the East side of Jesmond still wouldn't be going anywhere near there on a match day.

 

Whereabout on the moor are you thinking? If it's the central motorway side then I've no idea how people access it. If it's the Jesmond side then that introduces major crowds into Jesmond and West Jesmond on matchday. I don't see people happily walking from the city centre to the moor either, it's a lot more than 10 minutes.

[Wallsendmag]

3 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Whereabout on the moor are you thinking? If it's the central motorway side then I've no idea how people access it. If it's the Jesmond side then that introduces major crowds into Jesmond and West Jesmond on matchday. I don't see people happily walking from the city centre to the moor either, it's a lot more than 10 minutes.

 

How many fans access SJP by car? The only car park there isn't even open on a match day to the general public!

 

As for the walk, admittedly I'm a fairly quick walker and it takes me 10 mins to walk from my pre match pub (Five Swans) to SJP. I reckon I could get to the Town Moor in 20.

 

Aside from all that if people want a bigger more modern stadium that allows 20k more fans access to home games there will be one or two compromises that'll need to be made. You can't have it all!

[bobbydazzla]

11 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

The premise is that the whole park needs to go in order for PIF to realise their stadium vision.

 

I'd argue it's relatively easy to relocate some landscaped green space to somewhere nearby. 

 

Certainly much easier than relocating a large scale Grade 1 listed occupied residential terrace.

[Bellis80]

35 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

There's not a single stadium (combination of location, building and facilities) in the top flight that's better than ours ?

 

If that was the case, why haven't all clubs with new stadiums built replicas of St James' Park so they can at least have the best possible building and facilities.

 

 

 

They’ve all been built because they make more money as they are. For a normal person wanting to go and watch a game of football none are better are ours.

[Wandy]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

I'd argue it's relatively easy to relocate some landscaped green space to somewhere nearby. 

 

Certainly much easier than relocating a large scale Grade 1 listed occupied residential terrace.

I agree, but the issue is that there would be far more opposition to eradicating the park than to simply relocating a building into another part of the park.