St James' Park

[Kid Icarus]

Spurs' stadium work began in 2015 and they didn't move to Wembley until 2017. 

[Paully]

I genuinely can’t believe how many people think we’ll be able to play at Sunderland! Absolutely not a chance in hell that would happen! NP would laugh their heads off at the idea of 45K black and whiters going through their every fortnight! 100% never ever going to happen! 

[Arknor]

13 hours ago, Stifler said:

Sounds like it’s a new stadium at Castle Leazes then.

They are demolishing the student accommodation at castle leazes right now and replacing them with new buildings.

Perfect time to build a stadium next to it.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

Isn't the whole point of Option C (Leazes Park), that it's phased construction so only the Leazes End would need to close?

 

What do other clubs normally do when they're expanding and need to close a stand?

 

 

 

Play at wembley?

[Wallsendmag]

8 hours ago, Big River said:

has anyone suggesting the stadium of shite, ever been to the stadium of shite? it's fucking shite. not being dramatic but I'd rather kill myself than go there every other week

 

Same. Can only assume those suggesting it haven't been. It's grim. The surrounding areas are grim. The pubs are grim (not that I expect we'd be allowed in them anyway on police advice).

 

Fuck going there every other week.

 

We don't have the luxury of moving to Wembley like Spurs did and Chelsea may have to, or Rangers did with Hampden earlier in the season. If a major rebuild of SJP means playing with a severely restricted capacity for a few years I think it's a complete non starter but who knows. We only lost around 1k capacity during the rebuild from 36k to 52k and with all the advances in building technology in the 25 years since maybe there's ways around it.

[Keegans Export]

8 hours ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

But pointless, there's absolutely no reason to do it that way other than it making an interesting render.

 

7 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

The reason is that you can stay at SJP while most of it is being built, thought that was pretty obvious like. 

 

You could do that by building further North/West and stay at SJP without having to demolish any of it, that's the point. There's enough room there to build a new stadium without having to encroach on the current site and without having to remove any of the main features of Leazes Park (the Bandstand, the lake etc)

[Jackie Broon]

7 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

The reason is that you can stay at SJP while most of it is being built, thought that was pretty obvious like. 

 

My point is there is absolutely no rbenefit to building it partially on the footprint of the current stadium.

 

There is room to move the new stadium a bit further back (without any additional impact on Leazes Park) so we can stay at St James' while it is built, or move it even further onto Castle Leazes and have much less of an impact on Leazes Park.

 

I think the only reason it is shown in that way, as a phased construction, is because it makes a more interesting video.

[Hovagod]

Can somebody remind me why season ticket holders are so loathed on this forum?

[Groundhog63]

Purely speculative like all this thread BUT could the club buy that pub off of Barrack road AND the hotel bollox behind it? That area plus the field is more than enough.

[Groundhog63]

3 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Can somebody remind me why season ticket holders are so loathed on this forum?

 

"you can't say that. Some of my best friends are season ticket holders"

 

"Season tickets holders aren't a homogenous group and saying they are is antiseasonticketholderitic"

 

"sit down, stand up"

[Dr.Spaceman]

6 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Can somebody remind me why season ticket holders are so loathed on this forum?

 

The general feeling is that we sat on our hands and did fuck all when Ashley was dragging the club further and further into oblivion, and now we all whinge and moan like fuck when people want to stand and join in chants.

 

Oh and we all hate Sean Longstaff, Dan Burn and Nick Pope.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2024 by Dr.Spaceman

[Hovagod]

1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

The general feeling is that we sat on our hands and did fuck all when Ashley was dragging the club further and further into oblivion, and now we all whinge and moan like fuck when people want to stand and join in chants.

 

Oh and we all hate Sean Longstaff, Dan Burn and Nick Pope.

 

 

 

The thing is, every match thread on here is full of moaning ninnies. Are these the same people that, were they in the ground, would be singing their hearts out for ninety minutes? That doesn’t particularly track for me. 

[Stifler]

11 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Can somebody remind me why season ticket holders are so loathed on this forum?

They aren’t, plenty of our members are season ticket holders.

What we don’t like is the season ticket holders who sat there and had a go at fans who protested against Ashley, many of which are from this forum. They said to support the team, not the regime, yet say there is silence and never supporters the team. They are also very much against doing anything to SJP, because they have their season tickets, so fuck everyone else.

On top of this they like to take credit for Wor flags etc, forgetting that Wor Flags stopped flag displays whilst Ashley was there, because some people who were in it, gave up their season tickets.

 

Anyway, no one is against the season ticket holders, but there is some season ticket holders out there who like to play super fan, and do so by causing division in our support by having a go at none season ticket holders and/or those who protested.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2024 by Stifler

[Groundhog63]

1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

The general feeling is that we sat on our hands and did fuck all when Ashley was dragging the club further and further into oblivion, and now we all whinge and moan like fuck when people want to stand and join in chants.

 

Plus youz don't want to move cos you'll miss ya old buddies and like ya seat as it is,thank you very much.

 

Bit like people who've gone through Uni, free gratis, thinking tuition fees are a good thing.    

[TBG]

5 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

The general feeling is that we sat on our hands and did fuck all when Ashley was dragging the club further and further into oblivion, and now we all whinge and moan like fuck when people want to stand and join in chants.

 

Oh and we all hate Sean Longstaff, Dan Burn and Nick Pope.

 

 

 

 

Well that's not true, you've left out Miggy for starters.

[Hovagod]

1 minute ago, Stifler said:

They aren’t, plenty of our members are season ticket holders.

What we don’t like is the season ticket holders who sat there and had a go at fans who protested against Ashley, many of which are from this forum. They said to support the team, not the regime, yet say there is silence and never supporters the team. They are also very much against doing anything to SJP, because they have their season tickets, so fuck everyone else.

On top of this they like to take credit for Wor flags etc, forgetting that Wor Flags stopped flag displays whilst Ashley was there, because some people who were in it, gave up their season tickets.

 

Anywha, no one is against the season ticket holders, but there is some season ticket holders out there who like to play super fan, and do so by causing division in our support by having a go at none season ticket holders and/or those who protested.

Absolutely none of that chimes with any of my experiences, but okay.

 

The wor flags folk presumably are season ticket holder aren’t they? And, besides, there’s people in the world who are….falsely claiming to be behind flag displays in football grounds? Really? Are you sure?

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

28 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

My point is there is absolutely no rbenefit to building it partially on the footprint of the current stadium.

 

There is room to move the new stadium a bit further back (without any additional impact on Leazes Park) so we can stay at St James' while it is built, or move it even further onto Castle Leazes and have much less of an impact on Leazes Park.

 

I think the only reason it is shown in that way, as a phased construction, is because it makes a more interesting video.

 

I get your point although I do think there is benefit in staying closer to SJP and limit the impact on the area. Just went searching for some original posts post takeover from Ponsaelius and saw that we've had this exact conversation before.

 

 

On 14/10/2021 at 14:38, Jackie Broon said:

 

I don't think that would work, it would still massively impact on the setting of Leazes Terrace, it would have a more significant impact on Leazes park than the Castle Leazes site, which is Listed and a fundamental element of the significance of the Conservation Area, and would be hugely disruptive to the club to build. All for the sake of being slightly closer to the existing site.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2024 by Kid Icarus

[Cristov]

2 hours ago, Pancrate1892 said:

Play at wembley?

 

Hear me out...... what about Murrayfield for a season? club could put on free trains? Just a thought

[Dr.Spaceman]

8 minutes ago, TBG said:

 

Well that's not true, you've left out Miggy for starters.

 

Aye, we all just want Miggy to put in one cross with his right before he leaves. Until then blood vessels will continue to burst.

[LFEE]

11 hours ago, Stifler said:

Is it true about the contact?

Next head meeting in December so hoping to find out something then. I’d be surprised if it isn’t true but as of end of May hadn’t head anything. I’ll maintain though the last people standing in the way of a new stadium/expansion would be the Freeman.

[Kid Icarus]

On 14/10/2021 at 15:37, ponsaelius said:

This is a rough guide of the conservation and planning constraints (ignoring any construction constraints, ownership or anything to do with the Freemen):

 

Leazes Terrace is as protected as you can possibly get. Grade I listed means you're not going to be able to touch it, incorporate it etc - it's just a non starter. Not only that but you're not going to be allowed to build up or any closer in any way which further impacts upon its historical setting. Its residential use adds to this constraint as any building upwards would result in increased shadowing and loss of light. It's also very unlikely this use could ever be changed - the original use of any listed building is part of its cache and historical significance and any change to this is usually considered detrimental. Particularly because it usually requires internal changes to the fabric (which all need consent). You need significant justification to change the use of a Grade I listed building - proof that it's unviable in current form, that it's going to disrepair etc. Basically that for it's continued survival change of use is the only option - which is clearly not the case here. 

So any extension to the East Stand is basically a non-starter I think. Maybe a whole rebuild, incorporation of safe standing might boost numbers slightly. But probably barely worth it.

Plonking it directly into Leazes Park is also a no-goer. Although this is only Grade II listed - you couldn't just build a stadium right in the middle of it. Its intrinsic historic layout is part of its historic significance. It would also probably not significantly improve the setting of Leazes Terrace.

However - Leazes Park has changed a bit over time since it was first laid out. A proposal on Castle Leazes would likely infringe slightly on the north-west extremes of Leazes Park, but would also see it expanded and enhanced on the site of the current SJP, and would dramatically improve the setting of Leazes Terrace. There's an argument there that any harmful impact to the original footprint of Leazes Park is outweighed by the wider benefits - particularly the setting of Leazes Terrace.

 

 

 

 

 

Any way to pin this post btw? It's still the most useful one in here.

[Stifler]

14 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Absolutely none of that chimes with any of my experiences, but okay.

 

The wor flags folk presumably are season ticket holder aren’t they? And, besides, there’s people in the world who are….falsely claiming to be behind flag displays in football grounds? Really? Are you sure?

There absolutely is a division though, and I’m not saying it most season ticket holders, but there is one.

It was only a year ago when that young lass spent years having a go at fans who weren’t season ticket holders and taking the piss out of them being locked out ended up kicking off at the club because of the Champions League ticket prices, and how she now goes to university, has a part time job, and because mammy and daddy are no longer paying, can’t afford it.

[Jackie Broon]

19 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I get your point although I do think there is benefit in staying closer to SJP and limit the impact on the area. Just went searching for some original posts post takeover from Ponsaelius and saw that we've had this exact conversation before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Wandy]

18 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Any way to pin this post btw? It's still the most useful one in here.

This hypothetical illustration is a nonsense too I’m afraid. The “new’ stadium that has been plonked there on Castle Leazes has a smaller footprint even than SJP in it’s current guise, never mind putting a new stadium on there with a much bigger footprint.

[ponsaelius]

It's a paint job I did in about 5 mins, it's not supposed to be to scale or extremely accurate. More trying to show the planning constraints. But that area with a bit of LP is absolutely achievable for a new stadium just as it would have been with the 90s plan.

 

You should be able have a far more 'efficient' footprint with a complete new build than the current SJP - even with a bigger capacity.