St James' Park

[Keegans Export]

The Reubens will have built up a fair amount of goodwill with the Council too, with all the developments going on along Pilgrim Street.

[Mackem in peace s]

Yeez lot are so lucky with such massive support,all wheyz can muster is bogof offers on tickets and they huddle us all together like penguins  too keep warm.even our club shop is closed on monda and tuesda.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2022 by Mackem in peace s

[Guest]

12 hours ago, TRon said:

 

You could argue the merits of Keegan or SBR with equal merit, only difference was the ambition of those sitting above making the decisions. During Keegan's years, the sky was the limit, we were beating Man U and Arsenal to sign the best players in England. After that we were signing Lee Bowyer on a free transfer from West Ham.

 

Not saying that was Freddie Shepherd's fault directly, but clearly the ambitions had been lowered.

 

I think the Sir Bobby team would have given the Keegan team a game like. Bobby was unlucky that Arsenal were hitting their peak as well as Man Utd being a force still so getting 2nd or higher was unlikely.

[Keegans Export]

10 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

I think the Sir Bobby team would have given the Keegan team a game like. Bobby was unlucky that Arsenal were hitting their peak as well as Man Utd being a force still so getting 2nd or higher was unlikely.

I know this isn't really the thread for it but a Keegan best XI vs SBR best XI would be interesting. 

 

I haven't really put any thought into it but my initial feeling is that Bobby's "peak" team had more weaknesses than Keegans (eg RB, whoever was CB with Woodgate)

[gazzatoon]

23 hours ago, Jack27 said:

The solution to our problems 

 

it would be a disaster to move stadiums. This is much better idea. 

[Slim]

18 minutes ago, gazzatoon said:

 

it would be a disaster to move stadiums. This is much better idea. 

Not sure how many times it needs to be said its not an option.

[bowlingcrofty]

4 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’ve never quite understood why a deal can’t be done in terms of building a new ground just behind the current SJP - and still keeping the ground’s name - while converting the current site into a park to make up for the loss elsewhere

 

I know people talk about the history, but you’d only be moving a matter of yards - and besides, not one of those stands at SJP has borne witness to a major trophy win.

 

There is no chance really of converting the current ground into a different arrangement to make a bigger stadium, as any knockdown - rebuild would take too long, and the club would need to play elsewhere.  One of the drawbacks of being a one-club city is the lack of other stadia which can be used temporarily - the only ground which could be used is the SOS, and both sets of fans ultimately wouldn’t go for it (which is daft when you really think about it - but who said football support was rational?)

This is absolutely my preference (assuming SJP can never really be extended as we’d like).

 

We can have a world class stadium, in the city centre, with the park built around it. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

Repurpose Leazes Park, create a nice open space in between the Strawberry and the new Gallowgate. Moving away from the area would be like creating a different club given the raft of changes we're likely to see across the board and it would always have a weird feel to supporting us from that moment on.

[Mr Pups]

1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

I think the Sir Bobby team would have given the Keegan team a game like. Bobby was unlucky that Arsenal were hitting their peak as well as Man Utd being a force still so getting 2nd or higher was unlikely.

I think the defence let Bobbys team down, which is something always attributed to Keegan despite Keegan having the best defensive record apart from Man Utd and Liverpool at the time. It's actually a myth about Keegans team would always win or lose 4-3. The one 4-3 at anfield and I have very faint memories of a 4-3 loss to cambridge (someone can correct me) when we were in the old 2nd division. We chalked a 4-3 win against Villa and that's it I think.

With Bobby we could never be the best with O'Brien, Bramble and later on Carr. Even with Woodgate in the team we leaked 6 against Man Utd. I'm picturing Beardsley, Cole, Ferdinand, Ginola running havoc there 

 

Anyway, for another thread.....

[TRon]

4 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

I think the Sir Bobby team would have given the Keegan team a game like. Bobby was unlucky that Arsenal were hitting their peak as well as Man Utd being a force still so getting 2nd or higher was unlikely.

 

Yeah I would reckon Bobby was actually the better manager, but we didn't have the same ambition when he was there as we did during Keegan's first stint.

[BUJ]

17 hours ago, TRon said:

 

I think there was also real suspicion at how things were being run under Shepherd, we hired plenty of big name managers, and there was always a couple of trophy signings, but they were usually surrounded by second rate team-mates. So we probably had Shearer playing alongside Andy O'Brien at some point, then when it all went to shit, we brought in Graeme Souness to fix things.

 

It was nothing like the SJH/Keegan days where we were genuinely competing for the best players in England, and some of the best in the world.

In some of KK's teams each individual midfielder and centre forward cost more  than the back 4(5 with Harper in nets) did collectively. 

[Nun tumblers]

Two great managers people with short memories ,fergie time isn't allowed now kk team would of finished 7- 11pts ahead it's a simple fact 

[Guest dazzanufc1892]

5 hours ago, gazzatoon said:

 

it would be a disaster to move stadiums. This is much better idea. 

 

Why out of interest? SJP is a state compared to many other stadiums. If you've been to spurs and then go to ours its embarrassing

[bowlingcrofty]

As much as we hate to admit it, they’ll have massive plans to develop corporate hospitality. SJP just won’t have the capacity to develop that section like they’ll want to.

[TheBrownBottle]

6 hours ago, gazzatoon said:

 

it would be a disaster to move stadiums. This is much better idea. 

It doesn’t resolve the issue of what happens while it is being rebuilt.  It won’t be much quicker than a knockdown rebuild. 

[tomlynnherrington]

11 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

You’re probably right - but it would be Sporting all the way from me.  League football pales next to the excitement of European knockouts - and for me the entire purpose of doing well in the league is European qualification 

Sporting over Leicester next season? Sporting over Leicester for the 5th season running in the CL group stage? I know where you’re coming from ?

[tomlynnherrington]

1 hour ago, bowlingcrofty said:

As much as we hate to admit it, they’ll have massive plans to develop corporate hospitality. SJP just won’t have the capacity to develop that section like they’ll want to.

Could they not build a corporate facility on the car park in front of the main stand with direct access to the main stand? It looks like wasted space to me.

[cubaricho]

1 hour ago, bowlingcrofty said:

As much as we hate to admit it, they’ll have massive plans to develop corporate hospitality.

Why would we hate that? It’s the only way these days. Such a great way to bring loads of money into the club. 

[tomlynnherrington]

10 hours ago, Keegans Export said:

The Reubens will have built up a fair amount of goodwill with the Council too, with all the developments going on along Pilgrim Street.

Build a new ground on Newcastle Racecourse.Hardly used throughout the year.

[jarrovianmag]

4 hours ago, tomlynnherrington said:

Build a new ground on Newcastle Racecourse.Hardly used throughout the year.

yes, owned by the reubens but pain in ass to get to. for me a temp50k plus stadium while SJP rebuilt

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, cubaricho said:

Why would we hate that? It’s the only way these days. Such a great way to bring loads of money into the club. 

It’s symbolic of the game’s move away from its working class roots and into the hands of the middle- and upper classes.  The ‘gentrification’ of the game has seen traditional supporters priced out and replaced by tourists and day trippers.  Soulless corporatism now sits at the heart of the ‘People’s Game’. 

 

There are plenty who are uncomfortable with this (me included), but the horse bolted on this one years ago - NUFC have to keep the playing field level. 

[Danh1]

4 hours ago, tomlynnherrington said:

Build a new ground on Newcastle Racecourse.Hardly used throughout the year.

That is exactly what will kill the club. Pre match pints in the Border Minstrel 

[manorpark]

5 hours ago, tomlynnherrington said:

Build a new ground on Newcastle Racecourse. Hardly used throughout the year.

 

As discussed a lot on here already perhaps "next to" (but not "on") Newcastle Racecourse, in the 'Parklands' area of Newcastle.

 

However not a new stadium but a state of the art Training Ground and Academy etc. 

 

Our Stadium M U S T remain in the City Centre - and it will, at St James' Park.

[dembabah]

I want to stay at SJP and if we can extend to 65k i think that will be ok, any less though and it might have to be a new ground, the demand is too high.

[TheHoob]

They'd need to spend about 10 years upgrading the roads around the racecourse if they wanted to build a stadium there. Westmoor/Four Lane Ends and Gosforth would be absolute pandemonium.