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2 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Concur the problem with our level 7, compared to the back of 3rd tier at Spurs new stadium is that you feel detached as @Wallsendmag describes.

 

Other big stadiums you can still feel part of it, SJP really is so poorly designed I can’t help but feel this is a big opportunity missed if we stay.

 

I think if we end up with a mirror image of the Leazes End and some Aviva Stadium style glass construction of the East Stand, any romantic notions of SJP will be quashed and it’ll be more soulless than any new stadium.

I sit in L7 and don't feel detached from the game but I don't sit behind a goal. Wouldn't swap for my dead centre Gallowgate seats I had until moving to the family section.

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9 hours ago, wormy said:

Let's keep SJP, develop a new stadium on the arena site and rotate every other week. Could sell half-season tickets to just one or the other. More money. More fans able to attend. All our problems will disappear.

 

Different manager at each stadium - Howe at one, Emery at the other.

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4 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Aye our East Stand just totally ruins it. Went to Benfica just before COVID and that holds 65k. We were sat near the back and it the view/experience couldn't have felt any different to Level 7 because we had fans all the way around the stadium sat at the same height as us. You really felt part of the crowd.

 

When you are sat near the back of Level 7 and looking out over the town I find I feel totally isolated from the actual occasion. I hate it.

 

Expanding the Gallowgate wouldn't solve that, but it should alleviate it a bit, the upper tier would feel more enclosed than it currently does

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7 hours ago, timeEd32 said:

Doesn’t the listed facade go all the way around? Or does that imply only the part furthest away from the stadium?

Yes, it does.  Which is why that post didn’t make a lick of sense.  I don’t understand what exactly is being moved into Leazes Park

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10 hours ago, FCB said:

Friends of Leazes Park Chair has put together a proposal to move Leazes Terrace into Leazes Park, keeping only the listed building facade.

 

If approved by Newcastle City Council & English Heritage, would potentially allow NUFC to expand the East Stand of St. James’ Park.


The amount of humble pie being gorged on by people will be something to behold if this happens. :lol:

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10 hours ago, FCB said:

Friends of Leazes Park Chair has put together a proposal to move Leazes Terrace into Leazes Park, keeping only the listed building facade.

 

If approved by Newcastle City Council & English Heritage, would potentially allow NUFC to expand the East Stand of St. James’ Park.

 

 

 

 

Is this something you've heard?

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Out of interest is there anybody on here who wants us to stay at SJP at all costs willing to give up their seat & ticket for 2yrs therefore not able to attend for this to happen? 

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1 minute ago, LFEE said:

Out of interest is there anybody on here who wants us to stay at SJP at all costs willing to give up their seat & ticket for 2yrs therefore not able to attend for this to happen? 

Right: two years with a much smaller capacity or move someplace else for two years (seems unlikely). The more you think about it, a new ground makes most sense.

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6 minutes ago, NUFC_Chris said:

Wouldn’t we still have issues with St James’ Street even if this Leazes Terrace idea was true?

It seems to me moving North West and building 3/4 of the new ground ahead of time is the only remotely feasible "stay" option otherwise it's go elsewhere. The question is how much opposition would there be to taking a piece of Leazes Park?

 

 

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13 hours ago, FCB said:

Friends of Leazes Park Chair has put together a proposal to move Leazes Terrace into Leazes Park, keeping only the listed building facade.

 

If approved by Newcastle City Council & English Heritage, would potentially allow NUFC to expand the East Stand of St. James’ Park.

 

 

 


I thought Beamish had already baggsied taking Leazers Terrace when it gets relocated, there’ll be absolute Victorian-era hell on if they’ve been gazumped 

 

The Friends of Leazers Terrace Chair will be getting whipped with a birch and forced to work as a pit pony 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, OverThere said:

It seems to me moving North West and building 3/4 of the new ground ahead of time is the only remotely feasible "stay" option otherwise it's go elsewhere. The question is how much opposition would there be to taking a piece of Leazes Park?

 

 

 

Just stick it on the grassland opposite the park ( north ) park saved jobs a good ' un . Plus just build a whole new ground whilst we use St James . No disruption no reduced capacity . Simples

 

 

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20 hours ago, Ben said:

 


I am of course not as versed in the politics and rules over there but id have thought a land trade would make a hell of a ton of sense to make this work for the freeman. Also, the club could pay a land lease to the freeman that would help fund what’s needed to keep the rest of the park in working order. 
 

same goes for the 90s idea from SJH. Land trade, land lease. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, LFEE said:

Out of interest is there anybody on here who wants us to stay at SJP at all costs willing to give up their seat & ticket for 2yrs therefore not able to attend for this to happen? 

 

Is that necessary for an expansion? Wasn't when they did Milburn/Leazes

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43 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

 

Is that necessary for an expansion? Wasn't when they did Milburn/Leazes

 

Yes they built around us when they did the Milburn/Leazes extension and we just got wet. Obviously the derby was the standout game for getting absolutely soaked.

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Haven't been there for a while but it's a shame that abandoned area between Pitt Street and Westgate Road wasn't a bit bigger, that could have been a canny option just on the other side of the road (although admittedly even further from centre of town).  Maybe make a few streets of houses an offer they can't refuse.  Earl of Pitt Street could have been the new Strawberry :)  Sikh gurdwara might be an issue there like :lol:

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

 

Is that necessary for an expansion? Wasn't when they did Milburn/Leazes


It is in my scenario to see who’s willing to make a sacrifice for holding the club back. 
 

In reality I would say so too. The east stand would need a rebuild and I’d imagine they’d need to close off at least upper tier of Gallowgate if not completely redesigned it as they’ll want loads of corporate boxes in the Gallowgate somewhere.

 

This expansion isn’t about creating extra seats for the plebs. You do realise that?

 

Crazy how shortsighted (not directed at you) people are being about this thinking only about the football etc.

 

Real Madrid have just asked La Liga to move their final league fixture (which would probably mean everyone else’s if similar to our league) so they can host a Taylor Swift gig.

 

We need a new stadium to progress. End of discussion. Hopefully it will be the biggest and best in the world and the envy of every other football fan. Hosting all sorts of great events and sporting finals etc.

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5 minutes ago, LFEE said:


It is in my scenario to see who’s willing to make a sacrifice for holding the club back. 
 

In reality I would say so too. The east stand would need a rebuild and I’d imagine they’d need to close off at least upper tier of Gallowgate if not completely redesigned it as they’ll want loads of corporate boxes in the Gallowgate somewhere.

 

This expansion isn’t about creating extra seats for the plebs. You do realise that?

 

Crazy how shortsighted (not directed at you) people are being about this thinking only about the football etc.

 

Real Madrid have just asked La Liga to move their final league fixture (which would probably mean everyone else’s if similar to our league) so they can host a Taylor Swift gig.

 

We need a new stadium to progress. End of discussion. Hopefully it will be the biggest and best in the world and the envy of every other football fan. Hosting all sorts of great events and sporting finals etc.

 

Why does the Swift thing matter? Here is why: 

 

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Pittsburgh’s two concerts generated $46 million in direct spending, with 83% of those attending the concerts coming from outside Alleghany County. Hotel occupancy––the highest weekend occupancy post pandemic and the second highest weekend occupancy on record­­––averaged at 95% and pushed average daily room rates (ADR) to $309, a 106% increase.

 

Los Angeles—which hosted six shows that marked the end of the first part of the tour—benefited from a total economic impact of $320 million, with 3,300 jobs created, $20 million in sales and local sales tax and another $9 million in hotel room taxes.

 

Denver’s two concerts resulted in visitor spending that contributed an estimated $140 million to the state’s GDP.

 

Cincinnati’s impact was estimated at $48 million, of which $20 million was from out of town guests.

 

 

I think people who love NUFC, also should start thinking about whatever it is the "new" or "renovated" SJP is in the future. Because that stadium, if done correctly could actually change the economics of the city-centre, the region, and most importantly the people of the city. 

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Yeah, we need to use the stadium more. That means trying to get more football events like we are doing with England, and the seniors World Cup, but also concerts etc. Spurs are showing everyone the way with NFL games.

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I love SJP and always will but when I think about how dead some of the games have been this season it makes me wonder how much better things could be. I know that the fans are the main reason for the lack of atmosphere in some of the games but there are a lot of contributing factors related to the ground now as well. Would those be resolved with an expansion of SJP? I struggle to see it.

 

My concern with moving wouldn’t be at all to do with the ground being in a new location, it would all depend on whether it was a soulless experience. Whatever option it ends up being, it needs to be something that feels alive, inspiring and exciting to be in

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