St James' Park

[OpenC]

Just to try to change the record a bit, which if any parts of town would you willingly sacrifice to get a new stadium in the fabled City Centre Zone?  This is just light relief, I'm not looking for in depth reasons why any calls are unworkable and since this is just a thought experiment, money is no object  you can't have Leazes Terrace though, obviously

 

For me, buy up Eldon Square, Eldon Garden and Haymarket with Percy Street and consign them all to the history books where they belong, put a new mega stadium there. Literally nothing in that part of town I'd miss, assuming the bus station would move north. My mam would be angry at me sacrificing the ice cream shop if it's still there.

 

Is there a better bit of the centre of Newcastle to do away with?  East of Pilgrim Street might have worked if they hadn't already developed it

 

 

Edited March 8, 2024 by OpenC

[Stifler]

I’m not a fan of him because he knows literally nothing.

I have an interested in architecture and urban development, and as such have a basic knowledge of things. When he discusses stuff like urban development he gets the basic stuff consistently wrong. The whole stuff around the St James Terrace was painful to watch to be honest.

[Orphanage]

9 minutes ago, OpenC said:

Just to try to change the record a bit, which if any parts of town would you willingly sacrifice to get a new stadium in the fabled City Centre Zone?  This is just light relief, I'm not looking for in depth reasons why any calls are unworkable and since this is just a thought experiment, money is no object 

 

For me, buy up Eldon Square, Eldon Garden and Haymarket with Percy Street and consign them all to the history books where they belong, put a new mega stadium there. Literally nothing in that part of town I'd miss, assuming the bus station would move north. My mam would be angry at me sacrificing the ice cream shop if it's still there.

 

Is there a better bit of the centre of Newcastle to do away with?  East of Pilgrim Street might have worked if they hadn't already developed it

 

 

 

Flatten the Civic Centre ( where they put a pund on the rent ) 

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, OpenC said:

Just to try to change the record a bit, which if any parts of town would you willingly sacrifice to get a new stadium in the fabled City Centre zone?  This is just light relief, I'm not looking for in depth reasons why any calls are unworkable

 

For me, buy up Eldon Square, Eldon Garden and Haymarket with Percy Street and consign them all to the history books where they belong, put a new mega stadium there. Literally nothing in that part of town I'd miss, assuming the bus station would move north. My mam would be angry at me sacrificing the ice cream shop if it's still there.

 

Is there a better bit of the centre of Newcastle to do away with? 

 

 

 

 

I'd have it anywhere that means getting rid of Clayton Street, Grainger Street South, Bigg Market, and bits of Westgate Road. 

 

If not, flatten the Manors, central motorway, Carliol Street, Market Street, Swan House, Laing Art Gallery/abandoned hotel area. Sketchy as fuck around there and almost all hideous.

[Stifler]

11 minutes ago, OpenC said:

Just to try to change the record a bit, which if any parts of town would you willingly sacrifice to get a new stadium in the fabled City Centre Zone?  This is just light relief, I'm not looking for in depth reasons why any calls are unworkable and since this is just a thought experiment, money is no object  you can't have Leazes Terrace though, obviously

 

For me, buy up Eldon Square, Eldon Garden and Haymarket with Percy Street and consign them all to the history books where they belong, put a new mega stadium there. Literally nothing in that part of town I'd miss, assuming the bus station would move north. My mam would be angry at me sacrificing the ice cream shop if it's stillIs there a better bit of the centre of Newcastle to do away with?  East of Pilgrim Street might have worked if they hadn't already developed it

The bit next to Central Motorway where the bridge hotel is, but not enough land there.

[OpenC]

You'll have to get rid of the Laing then stifler, or are you rerouting the motorway?

 

 

Edited March 8, 2024 by OpenC

[Myleftboot]

14 minutes ago, OpenC said:

Just to try to change the record a bit, which if any parts of town would you willingly sacrifice to get a new stadium in the fabled City Centre Zone?  This is just light relief, I'm not looking for in depth reasons why any calls are unworkable and since this is just a thought experiment, money is no object  you can't have Leazes Terrace though, obviously

 

For me, buy up Eldon Square, Eldon Garden and Haymarket with Percy Street and consign them all to the history books where they belong, put a new mega stadium there. Literally nothing in that part of town I'd miss, assuming the bus station would move north. My mam would be angry at me sacrificing the ice cream shop if it's still there.

 

Is there a better bit of the centre of Newcastle to do away with?  East of Pilgrim Street might have worked if they hadn't already developed it

 

 

 

Exhibition park.

[Orphanage]

Paddys . When one of wor lot gets injured they only have to hobble across the road to get treatment ?

[OpenC]

7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I'd have it anywhere that means getting rid of Clayton Street, Grainger Street South, Bigg Market, and bits of Westgate Road. 

 

If not, flatten the Manors, central motorway, Carliol Street, Market Street, Swan House, Laing Art Gallery/abandoned hotel area. Sketchy as fuck around there and almost all hideous.

 

Would definitely agree with the second one. East of Pilgrim Street (including Pilgrim Street) would have been just about perfect if they had got in five years ago before all the new building started, I reckon

[Orphanage]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

The average age on here is like 46 or something,  there's no reason I can see to jump to the conclusion that he's not liked because of his age. That's mad.

 

I have a beef with him because he was a complete arsehole when I disagreed with the points he made to (and the way he spoke to and about) the anti- sportswashing protesters, in the most mild-mannered way you could think of.

 

A running theme with him that a few on here know is that if there's any pushback on what he says, he turns nasty. 

 

Apparently the thing everyone is too naive to understand is that Saudi not signing up to an international agreement on human rights = no human rights abuses in Saudi. It's that simple!

 

 

 

Fast Eddie was in the army and worked for the Babylon . Hes not used to thinking for himself and isnt happy if you do 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 hours ago, LFEE said:

What is it then? 

TBH I avoided him since the first couple of videos post-takeover. I didn’t really click with him, so I’m not really the best to comment. From what I can gather he comes across as weird and seems to be forcing it a bit with regards to headlines etc. 

[bigfella]

50 minutes ago, OpenC said:

 

Would definitely agree with the second one. East of Pilgrim Street (including Pilgrim Street) would have been just about perfect if they had got in five years ago before all the new building started, I reckon

 

If we're taking about with hindsight, then the old Brewery site is the obvious choice. 

Surely someone in Scottish and Newcastle must have known in advance that they were thinking of moving and could have tipped the wink to John Hall that the land would be available?

[Keegans Export]

51 minutes ago, OpenC said:

 

Would definitely agree with the second one. East of Pilgrim Street (including Pilgrim Street) would have been just about perfect if they had got in five years ago before all the new building started, I reckon

There isn't enough room between Pilgrim St and John Dobson St to fit even a moderate size stadium. The buildings on the west side of the road are listed so you'd need another "brick by brick" strategy...

[NE27]

1 hour ago, OpenC said:

Just to try to change the record a bit, which if any parts of town would you willingly sacrifice to get a new stadium in the fabled City Centre Zone?  This is just light relief, I'm not looking for in depth reasons why any calls are unworkable and since this is just a thought experiment, money is no object  you can't have Leazes Terrace though, obviously

 

For me, buy up Eldon Square, Eldon Garden and Haymarket with Percy Street and consign them all to the history books where they belong, put a new mega stadium there. Literally nothing in that part of town I'd miss, assuming the bus station would move north. My mam would be angry at me sacrificing the ice cream shop if it's still there.

 

Is there a better bit of the centre of Newcastle to do away with?  East of Pilgrim Street might have worked if they hadn't already developed it

 

 

 

 

Built on Westgate hill incorporating the hill itself as the pitch so we can keep talking about the slope down to goal forever more.

 

Employ the bag heads to serve pints as they surely couldn't be any worse than the spotty teens they currently have.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, LFEE said:

Out of interest what is the beef that people have with Tyneside Eddie?

I think it's the fact that he gans on like he's the oracle of Newcastle United, yet his knowledge (and main interests) seem to be

1. The PIF

2. St James park expansion (Inc leazes terrace, the arena site)

 

I asked him politely about the 300m casino project first proposed under shepherd that was going to bump us up to 60k and he came back with some shit like 'im an expert on this now and if that was a real thing I would know about it' 

From that point I felt he was a fraud because clearly I knew a lot more about my clubs history than him. 

Then other people started to say they got similar abrupt replies when they engaged him.

 

Put it this way, if anyone signed up for one of them tours around leazes terrace, I feel sorry for them 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Orphanage said:

Flatten the Civic Centre ( where they put a pund on the rent ) 

Ironically not far off the civic centre area is the old Northumberland cricket site where Tyne association started in 1877. Footballs come a long way since 

[LFEE]

57 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

TBH I avoided him since the first couple of videos post-takeover. I didn’t really click with him, so I’m not really the best to comment. From what I can gather he comes across as weird and seems to be forcing it a bit with regards to headlines etc. 

 

Been interesting to read everyone’s replies. Was genuinely wondering if I had missed something. Interesting that no one seems to of met him or spoke to him face to face. Speak as you find but came across him in Philadelphia very very briefly and seemed just a normal fan enjoying his hobby as opposed to Adam P who seemed quite aloof though I’ll excuse him as I’m guessing he is a little neurodiverse (like us all) so handles social situations a bit awkwardly. Think TE is retired so just enjoying his hobbie/life post RAF career and not chasing any money.

 

Never find him pretending to know stuff others do. Seems to stick to quite a factual routine of trying to interview people who know better than the average joe to give an informative view on things on the small handful of clips I’ve watched. Never engaged with him or even see him on X. Just the odd YT clip is recommended.

 

I’ve heard his wife is a program seller (?) and she’s apparently been getting a lot of grief about him pre-match. Anyone know anything about that?

 

[Decky]

23 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said:

I think it's the fact that he gans on like he's the oracle of Newcastle United, yet his knowledge (and main interests) seem to be

1. The PIF

2. St James park expansion (Inc leazes terrace, the arena site)

 

I asked him politely about the 300m casino project first proposed under shepherd that was going to bump us up to 60k and he came back with some shit like 'im an expert on this now and if that was a real thing I would know about it' 

From that point I felt he was a fraud because clearly I knew a lot more about my clubs history than him. 

Then other people started to say they got similar abrupt replies when they engaged him.

 

Put it this way, if anyone signed up for one of them tours around leazes terrace, I feel sorry for them 

 

I remember that. And if he done a quick Google search he'd know himself.

 

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/united-plan-a-60000-ground-1490092

 

I'm not sure how anyone who was a fan back then can forget this because for so many years under Ashley it was thought to be the last chance to ever expand SJP.

 

 

Edited March 8, 2024 by Decky

[Orphanage]

7 minutes ago, Decky said:

 

I remember that. And if he done a quick Google search he'd know himself.

 

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/united-plan-a-60000-ground-1490092

 

I'm not sure how anyone who was a fan back then can forget this because for so many years under Ashley it was thought to be the last chance to ever expand SJP.

 

 

 

Eddie claims to have autism but theres  no way to check if thats true

 

 

Edited March 8, 2024 by Orphanage
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[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Decky said:

 

I remember that. And if he done a quick Google search he'd know himself.

 

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/united-plan-a-60000-ground-1490092

 

I'm not sure how anyone who was a fan back then can forget this because for so many years under Ashley it was thought to be the last chance to ever expand SJP.

 

 

 

Aye, when you think it's quite important when your talking about expanding now, because obviously it revisits a lot of problems they would have faced and considered at the time. Would seem like important info if your going to publish a dozen videos about the same subject. 

But it's the way he came back with the 'expert' shite that made my mind up on him. 

 

Also, there's no content on anything nostalgic, I don't think I've ever heard him mention Peter Beardsley, Jackie milburn or way back to Colin veitch.

He did a brief one about Stanley (east end) and their origins of byker, but it was just pulled straight from Paul joannou and no research of his own. 

[Orphanage]

15 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said:

Aye, when you think it's quite important when your talking about expanding now, because obviously it revisits a lot of problems they would have faced and considered at the time. Would seem like important info if your going to publish a dozen videos about the same subject. 

But it's the way he came back with the 'expert' shite that made my mind up on him. 

 

Also, there's no content on anything nostalgic, I don't think I've ever heard him mention Peter Beardsley, Jackie milburn or way back to Colin veitch.

He did a brief one about Stanley (east end) and their origins of byker, but it was just pulled straight from Paul joannou and no research of his own. 

Its his promotion of himself as an expert that rankles . anyone can do a vid via some wikipedia grab and a quick flick through relevant books but most of us wouldnt attempt to play the expert on the back of it

[bobbydazzla]

Just casually dropping this in here for all the BRICK BY BRICK haterz

 

 

 

 

Edited March 8, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[gjohnson]

On 08/03/2024 at 09:25, TheBrownBottle said:

 

 

There is a weird notion tbf that Grey’s Monument is the centre of the city.  It really isn’t in any real sense - certainly not for bars and restaurants.

 

Newcastle isn’t a city in any real sense in any case.  It has the feel of a town due to its relatively small centre.  The arena site really isn’t less accessible in any sense.  There are far more (good) bars near central station & on the quayside which are much easier to get to the arena than SJP.

 

Honestly, it doesn’t arse me either way, but the idea that the arena is a terrible trek is absolutely crackers.

 

All this boils down to whether or not the ownership is serious in their stated ambitions or not.  If we stay at SJP, we stay roughly where we are right now in all respects - we won’t catch the current elite in a lifetime, never mind five or ten years. 

For people who live in the area the centre totally depends on where they land. For visitors anywhere between Cental and Monument is realistically the centre. I think its fair to say St James is on the outskirts of the centre. Close enough to be classed as city centre. The Arena area isn't much different in terms of distance but it's a nightmare to get to by anything other than on foot. The roads are a nightmare and the public transport to it is laughable if going from anywhere other than Gateshead or Central.

 

Totally off the wall idea and would cost an obscene amount, but a stadium built over the river would be immensely cool and unique. Yes there's a billion reasons why it can't happen but would be hugely impressive and completely one of a kind. 

[OpenC]

I don't think there's any argument that the arena is significantly further away from where it's all going on, it's just that the walk to the arena area is through a bit of a grim hinterland of roads and dereliction and industrial estate whichever way you do it. Would feel city centre the same way as the mackems stadium does to me, close but kinda not quite.

[Orphanage]

Anyone ever ever come out of the arena at night after a gig ? Its chaos and thats only 5-10 k people . Now imagine 60k football fans . Its not workable in fact it would be dangerous especially when you factor in the potential for conflict between opposing sets of supporters .