Guest Reading Fan Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Not sure about this talk of all the money you think we're going to be splashing. Our most recent financial results are a shambles. Really............. Maybe I'm talking nonsense then! Maybe the picture is alot gloomier than I realise. I am only commenting on what I can see from the outside all the way down here in Berkshire and based on what Newcastle have done before. But past actions may not be a good measure of future actions. I do think that you already have a playing staff that is well capable of finishing 5th though whether you spend money or not. Reading are 1 point off fifth and we've spent very little money in comparison. You only need a new manager from what I can tell. you just need to shore up your back line and I think you'll be flying. You're gonna get Sidwell on a free as well so that will help squad depth. Newcastle have plenty of talented players. Sheppard doesn't really need to spend much on the playing team to get it going again. Your current team should be 5th. The fact that you are not means Roeder is the one underperforming. Get rid of him and then get a manager in who will get you to 5th with the current team. If he manages to do that then back him in the transfer market to break into the top 4. That would be my strategy. Don't keep wasting money on idiot managers who don't know what they are doing. You need Big Sam at the helm as fast as possible. Give him £5million for next season. That will be enough for Big Sam with the current players you got to get to 5th. If Sam achieves that back him the following summer. If he can't get your current side to 5th then find another manager. The current Geordie team has got to be the 5th best in the Prem. Only the top 4 have better playing squads than Newcastle and the Yids squad is of similar ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Not sure about this talk of all the money you think we're going to be splashing. Our most recent financial results are a shambles. Really............. Maybe I'm talking nonsense then! Maybe the picture is alot gloomier than I realise. I am only commenting on what I can see from the outside all the way down here in Berkshire and based on what Newcastle have done before. But past actions may not be a good measure of future actions. I do think that you already have a playing staff that is well capable of finishing 5th though whether you spend money or not. Reading are 1 point off fifth and we've spent very little money in comparison. You only need a new manager from what I can tell. you just need to shore up your back line and I think you'll be flying. You're gonna get Sidwell on a free as well so that will help squad depth. Newcastle have plenty of talented players. Sheppard doesn't really need to spend much on the playing team to get it going again. Your current team should be 5th. The fact that you are not means Roeder is the one underperforming. Get rid of him and then get a manager in who will get you to 5th with the current team. If he manages to do that then back him in the transfer market to break into the top 4. That would be my strategy. Don't keep wasting money on idiot managers who don't know what they are doing. You need Big Sam at the helm as fast as possible. Give him £5million for next season. That will be enough for Big Sam with the current players you got to get to 5th. If Sam achieves that back him the following summer. If he can't get your current side to 5th then find another manager. The current Geordie team has got to be the 5th best in the Prem. Only the top 4 have better playing squads than Newcastle and the Yids squad is of similar ability. On paper we might have a good squad, unfortunately football isn't played on paper. Players like Emre, Dyer, Duff, Parker (which is conceivably our strongest midfield for some!) - they might be internationals and have some talent but actually contribute very little. I'm not going to go off the deep end and say they're shite, but they aren't top quality. Fat paycheques? Yes. Big reputations? Yes. Consistently good performers? No... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sniffer Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Why stop at just emre,duff,parker and dyer? There's plenty more where they came from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Why stop at just emre,duff,parker and dyer? There's plenty more where they came from. Well, I was thinking of the players with the biggest disparity between reputation and contribution Seriously, no one thinks Babayaro, Ramage, Onyewu, Moore, Bramble, Carr, Sibierski and Ameobi are top five material. Martins, well, I like the little fella so I can't slate him gratuitously... We had this debate the other day - who amongst our players would make a top 4 squad - I didn't contribute but I would say Given, Owen and Milner and that's about it EDIT: Which leaves Butt, Taylor and Martins. Six players of sufficient quality to mount a charge to break into the UEFA Cup slots... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Not sure about this talk of all the money you think we're going to be splashing. Our most recent financial results are a shambles. Really............. Maybe I'm talking nonsense then! Maybe the picture is alot gloomier than I realise. I am only commenting on what I can see from the outside all the way down here in Berkshire and based on what Newcastle have done before. But past actions may not be a good measure of future actions. I do think that you already have a playing staff that is well capable of finishing 5th though whether you spend money or not. Reading are 1 point off fifth and we've spent very little money in comparison. You only need a new manager from what I can tell. you just need to shore up your back line and I think you'll be flying. You're gonna get Sidwell on a free as well so that will help squad depth. Newcastle have plenty of talented players. Sheppard doesn't really need to spend much on the playing team to get it going again. Your current team should be 5th. The fact that you are not means Roeder is the one underperforming. Get rid of him and then get a manager in who will get you to 5th with the current team. If he manages to do that then back him in the transfer market to break into the top 4. That would be my strategy. Don't keep wasting money on idiot managers who don't know what they are doing. You need Big Sam at the helm as fast as possible. Give him £5million for next season. That will be enough for Big Sam with the current players you got to get to 5th. If Sam achieves that back him the following summer. If he can't get your current side to 5th then find another manager. The current Geordie team has got to be the 5th best in the Prem. Only the top 4 have better playing squads than Newcastle and the Yids squad is of similar ability. On paper we might have a good squad, unfortunately football isn't played on paper. Players like Emre, Dyer, Duff, Parker (which is conceivably our strongest midfield for some!) - they might be internationals and have some talent but actually contribute very little. I'm not going to go off the deep end and say they're s****, but they aren't top quality. Fat paycheques? Yes. Big reputations? Yes. Consistently good performers? No... Nothing a good manager wouldn't sort out tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toptoon Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 I was just thinking if big Sam did come and we did sign Barton, then may as well sign Bellamy and all the other nutters. Go all out for a MEAN MACHINE! Bellamy and Duncan Fergusson up Top Bowyer Diouf Barton ect in the midfield. That Dirty German Arsenal keeper Leaman in goal. Be like the new Wimbledon full of hard nuts and gobby little bastards from hell! Guaranteed 6 points from Arsenal (just scare em into submission playing like a team possessed)!!! It'd be entertaining (more so than this season)!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Nothing a good manager wouldn't sort out tbh. I can't agree - I think the four players I mentioned are living off reputation rather than talent. - Duff had two or three good seasons three years ago - Parker one good season four years ago (and was a diamond amongst dross last year, thanks to our shite play necessitating a crunching tackler in midfield, his only attribute) - Emre (who I quite like when he's "on") is astonishingly inconsistent, a homer and a soft touch - Dyer is easy on the eye but contributes nothing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Nothing a good manager wouldn't sort out tbh. I can't agree - I think the four players I mentioned are living off reputation rather than talent. - Duff had two or three good seasons three years ago - Parker one good season four years ago (and was a diamond amongst dross last year, thanks to our s**** play necessitating a crunching tackler in midfield, his only attribute) - Emre (who I quite like when he's "on") is astonishingly inconsistent, a homer and a soft touch - Dyer is easy on the eye but contributes nothing The same could be said about Speed, Anelka, Djorkaeff and Campo before joining Bolton, a good manager can get the best out of any player on his books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Nothing a good manager wouldn't sort out tbh. I can't agree - I think the four players I mentioned are living off reputation rather than talent. - Duff had two or three good seasons three years ago - Parker one good season four years ago (and was a diamond amongst dross last year, thanks to our s**** play necessitating a crunching tackler in midfield, his only attribute) - Emre (who I quite like when he's "on") is astonishingly inconsistent, a homer and a soft touch - Dyer is easy on the eye but contributes nothing The same could be said about Speed, Anelka, Djorkaeff and Campo before joining Bolton, a good manager can get the best out of any player on his books. just adding on from that to "have it" as you put it means that there is talent there to get the best from if you were talking about players that have never had it then I think your right no manger will help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloydie Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 The guardian are confirming what the Dr said, and probably everyone else will be in the mornings papers. "Manchester City will sell Joey Barton in the summer after the midfielder put his French team-mate Ousmane Dabo in hospital yesterday with a brutal and prolonged attack at the training ground. Dabo needed treatment for facial cuts after being repeatedly punched in an incident which was witnessed by a group of children who were watching the practice session." http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2070318,00.html Will never play for the club again apparently. And no, I don't want him at St James. Not ever, and definately not under Sam Allardyce. I want Gattuso and Klinsmann, but in their absence I'll settle for Roeder and Parker... ps : what are the odds of Barton being Leeds Utd's glory signing in their efforts to escape League 1, they deserve each other I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 ..an incident which was witnessed by a group of children who were watching the practice session." And not one of the useless fucks recorded it on their phone? Disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 ..an incident which was witnessed by a group of children who were watching the practice session." And not one of the useless fucks recorded it on their phone? Disappointing. "Barton happy-slapping horror" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin99. Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 ..an incident which was witnessed by a group of children who were watching the practice session." And not one of the useless fucks recorded it on their phone? Disappointing. That bit of footage would be worth quite a bit. btw. can someone tell me why Barton has not yet been arrested for this incident??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 btw. can someone tell me why Barton has not yet been arrested for this incident??? Maybe Dabo said he walked into a door? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Spectrum Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Dabo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/graphics/2007/05/03/sfnmac03.jpg btw. can someone tell me why Barton has not yet been arrested for this incident??? I gather he's left the country. And I guess the dibble want to go thru some overly long investigation process first, chance for the Chief Inspector to get on the telly a bit and whatnot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Eh? Would barely notice anything was wrong if he didn't have a bit of sellotape on his feckin eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Right eye looks swollen aswell like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 I like Barton as a player but don't want him here, he's Bellamy on drugs, got a behavioural problem that we don't need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Dabo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/graphics/2007/05/03/sfnmac03.jpg Dabo or Blofeld? http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/bsa25/images/Blofeld.jpg "KILL BARTON. NOW!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Dabo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/graphics/2007/05/03/sfnmac03.jpg btw. can someone tell me why Barton has not yet been arrested for this incident??? I gather he's left the country. And I guess the dibble want to go thru some overly long investigation process first, chance for the Chief Inspector to get on the telly a bit and whatnot... Taking tips off his brother then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 It's not difficult to imagine that Barton would be in jail by now if he wasn't a footballer. I don't think he will be attractive to buying clubs after his third(?) assault case. Could be the end of his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Not sure about this talk of all the money you think we're going to be splashing. Our most recent financial results are a shambles. Really............. Maybe I'm talking nonsense then! Maybe the picture is alot gloomier than I realise. I am only commenting on what I can see from the outside all the way down here in Berkshire and based on what Newcastle have done before. But past actions may not be a good measure of future actions. I do think that you already have a playing staff that is well capable of finishing 5th though whether you spend money or not. Reading are 1 point off fifth and we've spent very little money in comparison. You only need a new manager from what I can tell. you just need to shore up your back line and I think you'll be flying. You're gonna get Sidwell on a free as well so that will help squad depth. Newcastle have plenty of talented players. Sheppard doesn't really need to spend much on the playing team to get it going again. Your current team should be 5th. The fact that you are not means Roeder is the one underperforming. Get rid of him and then get a manager in who will get you to 5th with the current team. If he manages to do that then back him in the transfer market to break into the top 4. That would be my strategy. Don't keep wasting money on idiot managers who don't know what they are doing. You need Big Sam at the helm as fast as possible. Give him £5million for next season. That will be enough for Big Sam with the current players you got to get to 5th. If Sam achieves that back him the following summer. If he can't get your current side to 5th then find another manager. The current Geordie team has got to be the 5th best in the Prem. Only the top 4 have better playing squads than Newcastle and the Yids squad is of similar ability. On paper we might have a good squad, unfortunately football isn't played on paper. Players like Emre, Dyer, Duff, Parker (which is conceivably our strongest midfield for some!) - they might be internationals and have some talent but actually contribute very little. I'm not going to go off the deep end and say they're s****, but they aren't top quality. Fat paycheques? Yes. Big reputations? Yes. Consistently good performers? No... Nothing a good manager wouldn't sort out tbh. exactly. under Robson we had some real dross, yet we still finished in the top 5 3 times. agree with your point about Allardyce getting the best out of supposedly "past it" players too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 It's not difficult to imagine that Barton would be in jail by now if he wasn't a footballer. I don't think he will be attractive to buying clubs after his third(?) assault case. Could be the end of his career. Someone will take a gamble imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Barton will start next season in a black and white shirt tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Barton will start next season in a black and white shirt tbh. He'll do well at Notts County. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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