Sir Alex Ferguson

[ponsaelius]

Is there any actual reason he would get rid of Rooney?

financial ?

 

We're not in financial trouble though. Yes we have the debt, but when the Glazers bought the club the debt stood at £660 million, and it's down to £350 million. We've knocked off £290 million of debt in 7 years. It's only a matter of time before it's gone completely. We don't need to sell and the Glazers will continue to finance us.

 

Why in the absolute fuck do you all spend so much time pissing and moaning about the Glazers then? Is it because you are actually so spoilt rotten that there is nothing else to whinge about?

 

Remember that tedious nonsense with the Norwich scarves a few years back.

 

[Froggy]

Is there any actual reason he would get rid of Rooney?

financial ?

 

We're not in financial trouble though. Yes we have the debt, but when the Glazers bought the club the debt stood at £660 million, and it's down to £350 million. We've knocked off £290 million of debt in 7 years. It's only a matter of time before it's gone completely. We don't need to sell and the Glazers will continue to finance us.

 

Why in the absolute fuck do you all spend so much time pissing and moaning about the Glazers then? Is it because you are actually so spoilt rotten that there is nothing else to whinge about?

 

Remember that tedious nonsense with the Norwich scarves a few years back.

 

 

We were a little petulant initially when they took over, and understandably so in my opinion. They bought the club with a loan and transferred even more debt to the club from their ownership of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Wouldn't you be annoyed if someone bought Newcastle with a bank loan and plunged a club into half a billion quid of debt? The fans thought they were using us a quick fix to their debt problems in America and that they wouldn't finance the club.

 

The Newton Heath scarves agenda was done with once we realised the Glazers were here to stay.

[Froggy]

Is there any actual reason he would get rid of Rooney?

financial ?

 

We're not in financial trouble though. Yes we have the debt, but when the Glazers bought the club the debt stood at £660 million, and it's down to £350 million. We've knocked off £290 million of debt in 7 years. It's only a matter of time before it's gone completely. We don't need to sell and the Glazers will continue to finance us.

if he can get big money for a player he thinks is maybe about to become surplus (and recycle the wages aswell) or at least not the guaranteed starter then why not do it ?

 

rooney hasn't looked the player he was for a while (IMO), I wonder what those who watch him day to day think ?

 

I couldn't disagree more with the latter. I've seen every game for the last 10 years and it's incredibly important what he brings to the table. Yes, Fergie has coached the flair out of him, he's not as exciting as he once was, but he's a better player for it. Fergie replaced the flair with incredible work ethic. He's the ultimate team player with world class ability. There are no technical weaknesses to his game, he's a genius.

[madras]

Is there any actual reason he would get rid of Rooney?

financial ?

 

We're not in financial trouble though. Yes we have the debt, but when the Glazers bought the club the debt stood at £660 million, and it's down to £350 million. We've knocked off £290 million of debt in 7 years. It's only a matter of time before it's gone completely. We don't need to sell and the Glazers will continue to finance us.

if he can get big money for a player he thinks is maybe about to become surplus (and recycle the wages aswell) or at least not the guaranteed starter then why not do it ?

 

rooney hasn't looked the player he was for a while (IMO), I wonder what those who watch him day to day think ?

 

I couldn't disagree more with the latter. I've seen every game for the last 10 years and it's incredibly important what he brings to the table. Yes, Fergie has coached the flair out of him, he's not as exciting as he once was, but he's a better player for it. Fergie replaced the flair with incredible work ethic. He's the ultimate team player with world class ability. There are no technical weaknesses to his game, he's a genius.

how do you coach the flair out of someone ?

 

surely you input the ethic while utilising the flair, it's not one or the other but getting both as one (almost buddhist innit).

 

as an outsider looking in, rooney has done a job but that role (new role in the scheme of things perhaps) could be better done by someone else. again looking from the outside m,aybe ferguson and rooney have lost patience with each other ?

[Froggy]

Is there any actual reason he would get rid of Rooney?

financial ?

 

We're not in financial trouble though. Yes we have the debt, but when the Glazers bought the club the debt stood at £660 million, and it's down to £350 million. We've knocked off £290 million of debt in 7 years. It's only a matter of time before it's gone completely. We don't need to sell and the Glazers will continue to finance us.

if he can get big money for a player he thinks is maybe about to become surplus (and recycle the wages aswell) or at least not the guaranteed starter then why not do it ?

 

rooney hasn't looked the player he was for a while (IMO), I wonder what those who watch him day to day think ?

 

I couldn't disagree more with the latter. I've seen every game for the last 10 years and it's incredibly important what he brings to the table. Yes, Fergie has coached the flair out of him, he's not as exciting as he once was, but he's a better player for it. Fergie replaced the flair with incredible work ethic. He's the ultimate team player with world class ability. There are no technical weaknesses to his game, he's a genius.

how do you coach the flair out of someone ?

 

surely you input the ethic while utilising the flair, it's not one or the other but getting both as one (almost buddhist innit).

 

as an outsider looking in, rooney has done a job but that role (new role in the scheme of things perhaps) could be better done by someone else. again looking from the outside m,aybe ferguson and rooney have lost patience with each other ?

 

He just doesn't have the same burst that he used to. I think Fergie has restricted him a little, but the defensive work installed in him has more than made up for it.

 

I honestly don't believe there's any rift between the two. Fergie made a tactical decision which proved to be the right one against Madrid. We were in control until the red card. If Rooney leaves I'll be shocked.

[Interpolic]

I'm not sure if I buy into Ferguson winning the tactical battle, it assumes Mourinho didn't have any tricks up his sleeve (which by experience is a foolish assumption to make) and the way Man Utd immediately capitulated after the sending off was really quite something.  They went from having the better of the game to last-gasp defending in a heartbeat.  Ferguson won the tactical battle up until the sending off but games last 90 minutes, Champions League ties last at least 180 minutes and Mourinho ended up going through, as his teams so often do.  There's every chance Real would've went through without the sending off, they just needed a goal to tip the balance.  They didn't have the chance to prove they could do it 11 vs 11, but this "Ferguson won the tactical battle, he was just undone by a harsh sending off" business just seems an attempt to preserve/enhance the reputation of 2 brilliant managers.  I didn't think it was a sending off btw, otherwise they might as well ban the overhead kick in case someone's head gets in the way.

[Zero]

The only scenario for Rooney to leave is to exchange with Ronaldo. Real Madrid would do the deal since Ronaldo won't extend his contract.

[Froggy]

The only scenario for Rooney to leave is to exchange with Ronaldo. Real Madrid would do the deal since Ronaldo won't extend his contract.

 

Just imagining the dream scenario where Ronaldo didn't extend his contract and came to us on a free. That would be quite something.

[Interpolic]

It's depressing that a player gets dropped for one game and you get all this pointless speculation about his future.  I couldn't care less about whether he stays or goes.

[Froggy]

It's depressing that a player gets dropped for one game and you get all this pointless speculation about his future.  I couldn't care less about whether he stays or goes.

 

Journalists need something to write about. Ridiculous speculation. Keeps them in a job I guess.

[Incognito]

Rooney wouldn't be wanted by any of the big 2, Real and Barca. The only place I could see him, and could easily pay the whole package, is PSG. Not that he will leave anyway.

 

As for Ferguson. Once again he was out-managed, when it mattered by Mourinho. Whilst Ferguson was petulantly haranguing the officials, Mourinho made the change,immediately, which won them the game. Ferguson did nothing with his team until they were 2-1 down.Had he have tightened things up, as you'd expect someone of his ilk to do, when the sending off occurred. Rooney for Van Persie would have worked., then who knows what would have happened.

 

Yesterday's comments from him about the last 3 exits being down to referee errors speaks volumes. The man's a cunt.

[David28]

Real probably would be out of the CL now though, had Nani stayed on the pitch.

[Froggy]

Rooney wouldn't be wanted by any of the big 2, Real and Barca. The only place I could see him, and could easily pay the whole package, is PSG. Not that he will leave anyway.

 

As for Ferguson. Once again he was out-managed, when it mattered by Mourinho. Whilst Ferguson was petulantly haranguing the officials, Mourinho made the change,immediately, which won them the game. Ferguson did nothing with his team until they were 2-1 down.Had he have tightened things up, as you'd expect someone of his ilk to do, when the sending off occurred. Rooney for Van Persie would have worked., then who knows what would have happened.

 

Yesterday's comments from him about the last 3 exits being down to referee errors speaks volumes. The man's a cunt.

 

Have to disagree. Fergie won the tactical battle over the two legs and it was the red card that cost us the game. 11 vs. 11 and we were in control.

 

This exit was due to a refereeing error. The time we went out against Bayern Munich was also due to a red card, but it was deserved. Rafael picked up two needless bookings, however if he was on the pitch he'd have been standing on the post for the winning goal.

 

Also disagree about Rooney. Every team in the World would want him in my opinion.

[Zero]

Mourinho managed to beat Barca despite Motta criminally sent off. Froggy, face it, should Mourinho be your manager, Man Utd would still advance. Fergie got the tactics spot on before the sent off, no one would argue about this.  But what's happened after the sent off cost Man Utd the match, not the red card nor the referee.

 

FYI, the red card was justified. It is a red. Do not apply EPL standard, it is too lenient compare with everywhere outside England.

 

[Interpolic]

Might as well tie players' legs together then, if they can't put their foot out for a ball for fear of someone coming out of nowhere and getting kicked in the face/chest.

[Zero]

Keane is spot on that as a professional player you should know your surroundings before taking any actions. "Coming out unexpectedly" is Nani's fault, not the others.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Utter bollocks tbh. If that's a red card then players would never jump, volley or do overhead kicks for fear of contacting other players.

[Incognito]

Rooney wouldn't be wanted by any of the big 2, Real and Barca. The only place I could see him, and could easily pay the whole package, is PSG. Not that he will leave anyway.

 

As for Ferguson. Once again he was out-managed, when it mattered by Mourinho. Whilst Ferguson was petulantly haranguing the officials, Mourinho made the change,immediately, which won them the game. Ferguson did nothing with his team until they were 2-1 down.Had he have tightened things up, as you'd expect someone of his ilk to do, when the sending off occurred. Rooney for Van Persie would have worked., then who knows what would have happened.

 

Yesterday's comments from him about the last 3 exits being down to referee errors speaks volumes. The man's a cunt.

 

Have to disagree. Fergie won the tactical battle over the two legs and it was the red card that cost us the game. 11 vs. 11 and we were in control.

 

This exit was due to a refereeing error. The time we went out against Bayern Munich was also due to a red card, but it was deserved. Rafael picked up two needless bookings, however if he was on the pitch he'd have been standing on the post for the winning goal.

 

Also disagree about Rooney. Every team in the World would want him in my opinion.

 

And yet Ferguson didn't want him in his team in their most crucial game of the season. He wouldn't get a look-in at Barca or even Real. He wouldn't currently even get in Atletico Madrid's side. Bayern ? Could they afford him ? And that leaves us with the Italian clubs who probs can't afford him, Chelsea, who would afford, take and play him, but would Fergie sell him to a rival ? PSG would tick all boxes, but as I said, he won't be going anywhere.

[Incognito]

Fergie lost the tactical battle when the red card occurred. Ahead on points but knocked the fuck out in boxing parlance.

[The College Dropout]

Real Madrid play one way. You can always name their starting XI and who Mourinho will bring off the bench. They're not a great side imo.

 

But they're better against 10 men than Barcelona. When a team goes to 10 against them, the opposing manager really can't man-mark Alonso. With Alonso free he'll hit long diagonals all day, spreading the 10 man very wide very quickly, something Barca rarely do. They get wide, they get crosses in.

 

If Mourinho can admit they where better and in control before the red, so can everyone else.

 

For the last 6 years that Man Utd. have made it to the KO's, they have been the better side whenever they have gone out before the final. Against Bayern they where poor in Munich but looked dominant before the red. Even then it was a miracle goal that took them out. This time, the better team for 150 of the 180 but the set-up was totally dependent on 11v11.

[Incognito]

Real Madrid play one way. You can always name their starting XI and who Mourinho will bring off the bench. They're not a great side imo.

 

But they're better against 10 men than Barcelona. When a team goes to 10 against them, the opposing manager really can't man-mark Alonso. With Alonso free he'll hit long diagonals all day, spreading the 10 man very wide very quickly, something Barca rarely do. They get wide, they get crosses in.

 

If Mourinho can admit they where better and in control before the red, so can everyone else.

 

For the last 6 years that Man Utd. have made it to the KO's, they have been the better side whenever they have gone out before the final. Against Bayern they where poor in Munich but looked dominant before the red. Even then it was a miracle goal that took them out. This time, the better team for 150 of the 180 but the set-up was totally dependent on 11v11.

 

They weren't the better side in Madrid man, have a word with yoursen.

[Froggy]

Real Madrid play one way. You can always name their starting XI and who Mourinho will bring off the bench. They're not a great side imo.

 

But they're better against 10 men than Barcelona. When a team goes to 10 against them, the opposing manager really can't man-mark Alonso. With Alonso free he'll hit long diagonals all day, spreading the 10 man very wide very quickly, something Barca rarely do. They get wide, they get crosses in.

 

If Mourinho can admit they where better and in control before the red, so can everyone else.

 

For the last 6 years that Man Utd. have made it to the KO's, they have been the better side whenever they have gone out before the final. Against Bayern they where poor in Munich but looked dominant before the red. Even then it was a miracle goal that took them out. This time, the better team for 150 of the 180 but the set-up was totally dependent on 11v11.

 

They weren't the better side in Madrid man, have a word with yoursen.

 

We had a solid plan in Madrid and executed it well. I think we looked a lot more dangerous going forward and got a lot of chances on the counter. Obviously they had a lot more of the ball but that's to be expected. Coming back from the Bernabeu with a score draw was a great result.

 

It was a very close tie, and an extremely enjoyable one I'm sure. The red made it disappointing for our fans but I'm sure you took great pleasure in that moment.

 

 

 

[Tiresias]

I still don't quite understand why you guys didn't just drop deeper and defend, you could have seen it out, instead you gifted them space. It was a tale of one manager setting his team up perfectly, and another manager adapting his team perfectly mid game.

[Froggy]

I still don't quite understand why you guys didn't just drop deeper and defend, you could have seen it out, instead you gifted them space. It was a tale of one manager setting his team up perfectly, and another manager adapting his team perfectly mid game.

 

Can only say that the team was completely rattled and felt hard done by from the red. It was extremely disappointing that we just capitulated after the sending off and then any fight we did show was far too late.

 

[Tiresias]

You had enough veterans in the team that you shouldn't have been so rattled, honestly think them seeing Ferguson reacting so strongly may have contributed.