José Enrique

[Punk77]

I  don't think Enrique is the kind of person who leaves because he's not paid enough. Two factors decide his future: 1. We avoid the relegation battle, and end the season preferable around the middle of the table. 2. We invest in some promising players. If both those factors are satisfied, he stays.

 

Never thought that about Carroll either, eh?

 

If a top club offer a better deal than what he has got here, he is off.

 

Maybe I'm far out, but Enrique seems more down to earth, while Carroll on the other hand likes to be the center of attention. Differences in culture may also hit in. Spaniards are more family oriented while in UK are more oriented towards the anglo-american values when it comes to salaries: It's deemed alright to exit an organization if you're paid enough, and good pay increases status. Maybe that's why you see more players being loyal to their clubs in Spain and Italy..Or am I talking shit right now...

[Village Idiot]

I don't particularly think players are more loyal in Spain. If a bigger club comes knocking, they'll ask for a move. Our release clause system tends to reduce the drama, though, since there's already an asking price in place for any player (clauses tend to be reasonable outside the big clubs/stars)

[madras]

I  don't think Enrique is the kind of person who leaves because he's not paid enough. Two factors decide his future: 1. We avoid the relegation battle, and end the season preferable around the middle of the table. 2. We invest in some promising players. If both those factors are satisfied, he stays.

 

Never thought that about Carroll either, eh?

 

If a top club offer a better deal than what he has got here, he is off.

 

Maybe I'm far out, but Enrique seems more down to earth, while Carroll on the other hand likes to be the center of attention. Differences in culture may also hit in. Spaniards are more family oriented while in UK are more oriented towards the anglo-american values when it comes to salaries: It's deemed alright to exit an organization if you're paid enough, and good pay increases status. Maybe that's why you see more players being loyal to their clubs in Spain and Italy..Or am I talking s*** right now...

offer him enough pay and the chance to win things and he'll be off (can't blame him). the trick is to, if it happens, use the cash to improve and as you improve you become the club able to pick the best from others.

 

all our problems have come from paying big money and big wages to players who spectacularly failed meaning we lost loads of money on them (both in the last few years of freds reign and the first one of ashleys)

[Nobody]

I don't particularly think players are more loyal in Spain. If a bigger club comes knocking, they'll ask for a move. Our release clause system tends to reduce the drama, though, since there's already an asking price in place for any player (clauses tend to be reasonable outside the big clubs/stars)

It'd be shit if you found a Tiote though. Wouldn't imagine his clause would match his real value, which would mean that we would lose him for peanuts compared to what he's worth.

[Interpolic]

I don't particularly think players are more loyal in Spain. If a bigger club comes knocking, they'll ask for a move. Our release clause system tends to reduce the drama, though, since there's already an asking price in place for any player (clauses tend to be reasonable outside the big clubs/stars)

 

Are the values of the release clauses generally quite well known?  In public, and amongst clubs?

[Village Idiot]

I don't particularly think players are more loyal in Spain. If a bigger club comes knocking, they'll ask for a move. Our release clause system tends to reduce the drama, though, since there's already an asking price in place for any player (clauses tend to be reasonable outside the big clubs/stars)

It'd be s*** if you found a Tiote though. Wouldn't imagine his clause would match his real value, which would mean that we would lose him for peanuts compared to what he's worth.

 

Happens all the time. You have to offer a new deal to the player to increase his clause. Racing tried that with Canales, but he refused and went to Real Madrid for €5m.

[Interpolic]

I don't particularly think players are more loyal in Spain. If a bigger club comes knocking, they'll ask for a move. Our release clause system tends to reduce the drama, though, since there's already an asking price in place for any player (clauses tend to be reasonable outside the big clubs/stars)

It'd be shit if you found a Tiote though. Wouldn't imagine his clause would match his real value, which would mean that we would lose him for peanuts compared to what he's worth.

 

In that instance you'd probably offer him a new contract with higher wages and a higher release clause after 3 months or whatever I'd have thought, not that the player would have to accept.

[Village Idiot]

I don't particularly think players are more loyal in Spain. If a bigger club comes knocking, they'll ask for a move. Our release clause system tends to reduce the drama, though, since there's already an asking price in place for any player (clauses tend to be reasonable outside the big clubs/stars)

 

Are the values of the release clauses generally quite well known?  In public, and amongst clubs?

 

Yes of course, they are public.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

f***ing commentator on ffirst saying if he wasxat a more successful club he would be talked about like cole and evra

[Village Idiot]

I don't particularly think players are more loyal in Spain. If a bigger club comes knocking, they'll ask for a move. Our release clause system tends to reduce the drama, though, since there's already an asking price in place for any player (clauses tend to be reasonable outside the big clubs/stars)

It'd be s*** if you found a Tiote though. Wouldn't imagine his clause would match his real value, which would mean that we would lose him for peanuts compared to what he's worth.

 

In that instance you'd probably offer him a new contract with higher wages and a higher release clause after 3 months or whatever I'd have thought, not that the player would have to accept.

 

We just had to offer a new deal to Busquets, whose release clause was a "mere" €30m.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

Shaking his head at half time walking off the pitch

[AlanSkÃrare]

Thing is, I think he's slowly but surely starting to realize how unbelieably good he has become in the last two seasons. I also think he is fed up with not having proper players going for his crosses etc. Ben Arfa in the side would probably help the cause, just hope he comes back in time for Enrique to start enjoying playing with him. Probably his best performance of the season today.

[madras]

Thing is, I think he's slowly but surely starting to realize how unbelieably good he has become in the last two seasons. I also think he is fed up with not having proper players going for his crosses etc. Ben Arfa in the side would probably help the cause, just hope he comes back in time for Enrique to start enjoying playing with him. Probably his best performance of the season today.

you say that like he puts in loads of crosses every game, fact is his distribution is his weak point, too many simple passes go astray. cuts tham out and he's a champs league/spanish intl.

[Disco]

I don't particularly think players are more loyal in Spain. If a bigger club comes knocking, they'll ask for a move. Our release clause system tends to reduce the drama, though, since there's already an asking price in place for any player (clauses tend to be reasonable outside the big clubs/stars)

It'd be s*** if you found a Tiote though. Wouldn't imagine his clause would match his real value, which would mean that we would lose him for peanuts compared to what he's worth.

 

In that instance you'd probably offer him a new contract with higher wages and a higher release clause after 3 months or whatever I'd have thought, not that the player would have to accept.

 

We just had to offer a new deal to Busquets, whose release clause was a "mere" €30m.

 

Reckon Busquets, albeit he is class for Barca, would be fairly average if he moved elsewhere due to how suited he is to playing for Barca.

[Village Idiot]

I don't particularly think players are more loyal in Spain. If a bigger club comes knocking, they'll ask for a move. Our release clause system tends to reduce the drama, though, since there's already an asking price in place for any player (clauses tend to be reasonable outside the big clubs/stars)

It'd be s*** if you found a Tiote though. Wouldn't imagine his clause would match his real value, which would mean that we would lose him for peanuts compared to what he's worth.

 

In that instance you'd probably offer him a new contract with higher wages and a higher release clause after 3 months or whatever I'd have thought, not that the player would have to accept.

 

We just had to offer a new deal to Busquets, whose release clause was a "mere" €30m.

 

Reckon Busquets, albeit he is class for Barca, would be fairly average if he moved elsewhere due to how suited he is to playing for Barca.

 

That happens with a lot of our players, but it's the point of our youth setup really.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

Can't wait to see him bumrape bentley

[Disco]

I don't particularly think players are more loyal in Spain. If a bigger club comes knocking, they'll ask for a move. Our release clause system tends to reduce the drama, though, since there's already an asking price in place for any player (clauses tend to be reasonable outside the big clubs/stars)

It'd be s*** if you found a Tiote though. Wouldn't imagine his clause would match his real value, which would mean that we would lose him for peanuts compared to what he's worth.

 

In that instance you'd probably offer him a new contract with higher wages and a higher release clause after 3 months or whatever I'd have thought, not that the player would have to accept.

 

We just had to offer a new deal to Busquets, whose release clause was a "mere" €30m.

 

Reckon Busquets, albeit he is class for Barca, would be fairly average if he moved elsewhere due to how suited he is to playing for Barca.

 

That happens with a lot of our players, but it's the point of our youth setup really.

 

Which is the best way to do it.

[Guest JamesyJazz]

For fecks sake he's by miles the best left back we've had in years and admired by all Premiership managers who've played their right wingers against him.How many opposition players have twatted/outplayed him this season?Few,if we're honest.

His work rate/commitment/support up the left wing is tremendous. When we have another natural left footed player to link up with him on the wing look out!

I reckon Ashley will sell him during the summer though,so enjoy him while we can.

[Dave]

At which point you'll presumably come on and tell everyone they were wrong about how good he is?

[tmonkey]

But we don't 'keep selling our best players', we've only done in once and that was for absolutely insane money.

 

Eh?!

 

Milner? N'Zogbia? Given? Bassong? Beye? Faye?

 

A ludicrous post.

i think he means without the player activly agitating for a move in which circumstances even the man utd's etc of this world struggle to keep hold if offered the right money.

 

What if it's club policy to actively try to sell these players, but only let them leave if they put in a transfer request (which they'll do once they know they're no longer wanted + will get a better offer elsewhere)?

[AlanSkÃrare]

Thing is, I think he's slowly but surely starting to realize how unbelieably good he has become in the last two seasons. I also think he is fed up with not having proper players going for his crosses etc. Ben Arfa in the side would probably help the cause, just hope he comes back in time for Enrique to start enjoying playing with him. Probably his best performance of the season today.

you say that like he puts in loads of crosses every game, fact is his distribution is his weak point, too many simple passes go astray. cuts tham out and he's a champs league/spanish intl.

 

I actually disagree about his crossing, I think it's consistently pretty good. I know quite a lot of people are of the same opinion as you, but I've always rated his crossing ability. Maybe it's because of the contrast to Jonas.

[Nobody]

His crossing has always been decent, it's his short passing that's the problem for me.

[TRon]

While it has always been obvious that Enrique was quality even in his first year, today made me realise he's probably the best left back in the premier bar none. There are only three or four players in this squad worth paying a bit extra to keep them here. This is definitely one of them.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

But we don't 'keep selling our best players', we've only done in once and that was for absolutely insane money.

 

Eh?!

 

Milner? N'Zogbia? Given? Bassong? Beye? Faye?

 

A ludicrous post.

 

Milner was an excellent sale, the money was brilliant and he was average for us at best.

 

We had already pissed N'Zogbia off by signing Duff to the point that he desperately wanted out.

 

Given thought it was his big chance to join the Man City revolution, granted the money was less than we should have squeezed out of them.

 

Beye and Bassong were after relegation, both were new to England and had no attachment to NUFC.

 

Faye was a weird one, I agree I don't know why the hell he wanted to go to Stoke. Maybe he only came here because of Allardyce in the first place.

 

There will always be players coming and going - if every player that leaves means we're a selling club then we've been one for generations. All I'm saying is that I don't have any evidence that Colo, Enrique, Barton, Tiote, Ben Arfa or whoever else is playing well that week is going to be sold. And it pisses me off that people continuously post as if it's a given.

[Chris_R]

Milner was never, ever, an excellent sale. He provided genuine width and always, to me at least, looked to be a very good player and IMO if we'd kept him we'd have stayed up for sure. So how selling him was 'excellent' is utterly beyond me.