José Enrique

[Dr Venkman]

I also don't think that Pardew's job has anything to do with reducing the wage bill. Why would it? Ashley and Llambias can do that themselves.

 

He might be told how much we can afford on wages, and that the bill has to come down before more signings can be made, but I'd be incredibly surprised if his own bonuses had anything to do with that.

 

then why would golfmag say it was a specific part of his remit?

[Hughesy]

I also don't think that Pardew's job has anything to do with reducing the wage bill. Why would it? Ashley and Llambias can do that themselves.

 

He might be told how much we can afford on wages, and that the bill has to come down before more signings can be made, but I'd be incredibly surprised if his own bonuses had anything to do with that.

 

then why would golfmag say it was a specific part of his remit?

 

Did golfmag actually see the contract itself and read it or was he told by someone what was in it?

 

It still doesn't make any sense though - it isn't within Pardew's power to perform what is supposedly within his remit.

[jdckelly]

going to have to agree with Ian here, why in gods name would they pay him extra for something they're quite capable of doing themselves

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Who agrees the contracts and wages? I bet it's Llambias and Ashley.

 

So I don't think Pardew will be getting paid based on that, though obviously his transfer dealings will be defined by it.

 

As to golfmag's information, that specific bit just doesn't make sense to me. I'm not saying he wasn't close to what was happening and hearing a lot of good stuff. I just can't see how that bit would be true.

[UV]

Was just thinking about this post and I don't think that these supposed 'terms' of Pardew's contract make any sense whatsoever.  Ultimately Pardew has no say over who comes and goes from the club - he can't stop someone being sold and he can't insist somebody is bought.  So quite why Pardew would be remunerated according to a reduction in the wage bill is beyond me.  Logically it doesn't follow.

 

I think it's reasonable to accept that a large part of Pardew's salary is performance based, it's Ashley's MO and that's what the rumours were at the time (and also the rumours as to why Hughton was reluctant to sign the contract he was offered in the Summer) - relatively low basic pay with big bonuses for achieving performance targets.

 

Now of course for a manager of a football club, the performance he can most directly affect is the team's progress in the league and cups. Given an agreed budget, and control of the incomings & outgoings, that's fine and acceptable, however if the management above you is going to, for example, constantly try to cut costs, and get rid of your biggest resources in achieving your targets for the year (and the bonuses associated with that), you're going to get rightly pissed off that the targets you thought were achievable are being sabotaged. So if that were the only way of achieving the bonuses you were relying on to make your wage competitive, you'd quit.

 

The management at Ashley's companies are incentivised by the company's profit margins. If they can perform their jobs at an adequate level with lower costs (ie in our case the target is to stay in the Premier League), then they are contributing to the profit margins. They may get a slap on the wrist for too many complaints, but they probably don't get bonuses for customer satisfaction. It's not really a stretch to think that it would be part of Pardew's contract to get a bonus if the club makes a profit rather than finish higher in the table.

[oldtype]

Was just thinking about this post and I don't think that these supposed 'terms' of Pardew's contract make any sense whatsoever.  Ultimately Pardew has no say over who comes and goes from the club - he can't stop someone being sold and he can't insist somebody is bought.  So quite why Pardew would be remunerated according to a reduction in the wage bill is beyond me.  Logically it doesn't follow.

 

I think it's reasonable to accept that a large part of Pardew's salary is performance based, it's Ashley's MO and that's what the rumours were at the time (and also the rumours as to why Hughton was reluctant to sign the contract he was offered in the Summer) - relatively low basic pay with big bonuses for achieving performance targets.

 

Now of course for a manager of a football club, the performance he can most directly affect is the team's progress in the league and cups. Given an agreed budget, and control of the incomings & outgoings, that's fine and acceptable, however if the management above you is going to, for example, constantly try to cut costs, and get rid of your biggest resources in achieving your targets for the year (and the bonuses associated with that), you're going to get rightly p*ssed off that the targets you thought were achievable are being sabotaged. So if that were the only way of achieving the bonuses you were relying on to make your wage competitive, you'd quit.

 

The management at Ashley's companies are incentivised by the company's profit margins. If they can perform their jobs at an adequate level with lower costs (ie in our case the target is to stay in the Premier League), then they are contributing to the profit margins. They may get a slap on the wrist for too many complaints, but they probably don't get bonuses for customer satisfaction. It's not really a stretch to think that it would be part of Pardew's contract to get a bonus if the club makes a profit rather than finish higher in the table.

 

That doesn't make any sense. If he doesn't have any influence on transfers there's nothing he can do directly to influence the club's profit margin at the end of the season...

 

...other than finishing higher in the league

 

In any case, would make absolutely no sense for him to have a bonus based on profit margin.

[Guest Antec]

going to have to agree with Ian here, why in gods name would they pay him extra for something they're quite capable of doing themselves

 

Because someone's going to have to be content to try and constuct a decent team using the scraps he's given. Furthermore he's going to have to talk to fans and the media knowing full well he's most likely telling a load of blatant lies.

 

I'll ask it once again, why do people think we ended up with an unemployed manager with a dubious track record and nothing left to lose?

[Guest Antec]

Was just thinking about this post and I don't think that these supposed 'terms' of Pardew's contract make any sense whatsoever.  Ultimately Pardew has no say over who comes and goes from the club - he can't stop someone being sold and he can't insist somebody is bought.  So quite why Pardew would be remunerated according to a reduction in the wage bill is beyond me.  Logically it doesn't follow.

 

I think it's reasonable to accept that a large part of Pardew's salary is performance based, it's Ashley's MO and that's what the rumours were at the time (and also the rumours as to why Hughton was reluctant to sign the contract he was offered in the Summer) - relatively low basic pay with big bonuses for achieving performance targets.

 

Now of course for a manager of a football club, the performance he can most directly affect is the team's progress in the league and cups. Given an agreed budget, and control of the incomings & outgoings, that's fine and acceptable, however if the management above you is going to, for example, constantly try to cut costs, and get rid of your biggest resources in achieving your targets for the year (and the bonuses associated with that), you're going to get rightly pissed off that the targets you thought were achievable are being sabotaged. So if that were the only way of achieving the bonuses you were relying on to make your wage competitive, you'd quit.

 

The management at Ashley's companies are incentivised by the company's profit margins. If they can perform their jobs at an adequate level with lower costs (ie in our case the target is to stay in the Premier League), then they are contributing to the profit margins. They may get a slap on the wrist for too many complaints, but they probably don't get bonuses for customer satisfaction. It's not really a stretch to think that it would be part of Pardew's contract to get a bonus if the club makes a profit rather than finish higher in the table.

 

Nailed it

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't deny that Pardew was given the job because Ashley and Llambias like him and/or thought he would be easy to work with. Whether that makes him a "puppet" or not is a matter of opinion, personally I think that's a wilful oversimplification.

 

And I also agree that he would have been told that we would have to work under a reduced budget and restricted wage bill.

 

I still don't think it makes any sense that he's getting paid specifically based on how much he reduces the wage bill by. And even if he was, does it really matter? It wasn't his decision.

[Punk77]

going to have to agree with Ian here, why in gods name would they pay him extra for something they're quite capable of doing themselves

 

Because someone's going to have to be content to try and constuct a decent team using the scraps he's given. Furthermore he's going to have to talk to fans and the media knowing full well he's most likely telling a load of blatant lies.

 

I'll ask it once again, why do people think we ended up with an unemployed manager with a dubious track record and nothing left to lose?

 

If you read about him, you'll find out that his track record isn't that bad. He's a competent manager and got people skills. His main problem has been his ego and his desire to put his wiener in cavities reserved for others.

 

And of course he doesn't get paid more if manages to reduce the wage bill. A manager is always interested in getting result, and trimming the wages considerably will not attract promising players, which consequently will hurt his chances of getting results. If he doesn't get results, he'll probably never get another decent manager job again because few wants a manger witout merits..He got an incentive based contract which is as simple as: winning=money..

[ujpest doza]

going to have to agree with Ian here, why in gods name would they pay him extra for something they're quite capable of doing themselves

 

Because someone's going to have to be content to try and constuct a decent team using the scraps he's given. Furthermore he's going to have to talk to fans and the media knowing full well he's most likely telling a load of blatant lies.

 

I'll ask it once again, why do people think we ended up with an unemployed manager with a dubious track record and nothing left to lose?

Casino debts were alleged at the time.

[UV]

Was just thinking about this post and I don't think that these supposed 'terms' of Pardew's contract make any sense whatsoever.  Ultimately Pardew has no say over who comes and goes from the club - he can't stop someone being sold and he can't insist somebody is bought.  So quite why Pardew would be remunerated according to a reduction in the wage bill is beyond me.  Logically it doesn't follow.

 

I think it's reasonable to accept that a large part of Pardew's salary is performance based, it's Ashley's MO and that's what the rumours were at the time (and also the rumours as to why Hughton was reluctant to sign the contract he was offered in the Summer) - relatively low basic pay with big bonuses for achieving performance targets.

 

Now of course for a manager of a football club, the performance he can most directly affect is the team's progress in the league and cups. Given an agreed budget, and control of the incomings & outgoings, that's fine and acceptable, however if the management above you is going to, for example, constantly try to cut costs, and get rid of your biggest resources in achieving your targets for the year (and the bonuses associated with that), you're going to get rightly p*ssed off that the targets you thought were achievable are being sabotaged. So if that were the only way of achieving the bonuses you were relying on to make your wage competitive, you'd quit.

 

The management at Ashley's companies are incentivised by the company's profit margins. If they can perform their jobs at an adequate level with lower costs (ie in our case the target is to stay in the Premier League), then they are contributing to the profit margins. They may get a slap on the wrist for too many complaints, but they probably don't get bonuses for customer satisfaction. It's not really a stretch to think that it would be part of Pardew's contract to get a bonus if the club makes a profit rather than finish higher in the table.

 

That doesn't make any sense. If he doesn't have any influence on transfers there's nothing he can do directly to influence the club's profit margin at the end of the season...

 

...other than finishing higher in the league

 

In any case, would make absolutely no sense for him to have a bonus based on profit margin.

 

Most of his SD employees that recently got a bonus probably had very little directly to do with how the company made it's profit (they didn't buy the products or set the prices or the staff salaries), but if they kept their shop going at low cost, then they were part of the success of it.

 

In comparison, keeping us in the Premier League with whatever squad he's given has probably the largest effect on our profit margin you can get.

[Guest Antec]

going to have to agree with Ian here, why in gods name would they pay him extra for something they're quite capable of doing themselves

 

Because someone's going to have to be content to try and constuct a decent team using the scraps he's given. Furthermore he's going to have to talk to fans and the media knowing full well he's most likely telling a load of blatant lies.

 

I'll ask it once again, why do people think we ended up with an unemployed manager with a dubious track record and nothing left to lose?

 

If you read about him, you'll find out that his track record isn't that bad. He's a competent manager and got people skills. His main problem has been his ego and his desire to put his wiener in cavities reserved for others.

 

He is a semi-competant, unemployed manager who wouldn't get a job like Newcastle in a million years under normal circumstances. Presumably Hughton was shafted because he wouldn't toe the line

[Hughesy]

Was just thinking about this post and I don't think that these supposed 'terms' of Pardew's contract make any sense whatsoever.  Ultimately Pardew has no say over who comes and goes from the club - he can't stop someone being sold and he can't insist somebody is bought.  So quite why Pardew would be remunerated according to a reduction in the wage bill is beyond me.  Logically it doesn't follow.

 

I think it's reasonable to accept that a large part of Pardew's salary is performance based, it's Ashley's MO and that's what the rumours were at the time (and also the rumours as to why Hughton was reluctant to sign the contract he was offered in the Summer) - relatively low basic pay with big bonuses for achieving performance targets.

 

Now of course for a manager of a football club, the performance he can most directly affect is the team's progress in the league and cups. Given an agreed budget, and control of the incomings & outgoings, that's fine and acceptable, however if the management above you is going to, for example, constantly try to cut costs, and get rid of your biggest resources in achieving your targets for the year (and the bonuses associated with that), you're going to get rightly p*ssed off that the targets you thought were achievable are being sabotaged. So if that were the only way of achieving the bonuses you were relying on to make your wage competitive, you'd quit.

 

The management at Ashley's companies are incentivised by the company's profit margins. If they can perform their jobs at an adequate level with lower costs (ie in our case the target is to stay in the Premier League), then they are contributing to the profit margins. They may get a slap on the wrist for too many complaints, but they probably don't get bonuses for customer satisfaction. It's not really a stretch to think that it would be part of Pardew's contract to get a bonus if the club makes a profit rather than finish higher in the table.

 

That doesn't make any sense. If he doesn't have any influence on transfers there's nothing he can do directly to influence the club's profit margin at the end of the season...

 

...other than finishing higher in the league

 

In any case, would make absolutely no sense for him to have a bonus based on profit margin.

 

Most of his SD employees that recently got a bonus probably had very little directly to do with how the company made it's profit (they didn't buy the products or set the prices or the staff salaries), but if they kept their shop going at low cost, then they were part of the success of it.

 

In comparison, keeping us in the Premier League with whatever squad he's given has probably the largest effect on our profit margin you can get.

 

But that is purely a performance related bonus.  If Pardew does well while costs are being cut, he gets a larger bonus than if he does badly.  The cost cutting is merely an incidental factor that he has to work with.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

That's not the same as being paid for the action of reducing the wage bill though. That's being rewarded for operating successfully based on a wage bill someone else has defined.

 

Not that it really matters.

[Colocho]

going to have to agree with Ian here, why in gods name would they pay him extra for something they're quite capable of doing themselves

 

Because someone's going to have to be content to try and constuct a decent team using the scraps he's given. Furthermore he's going to have to talk to fans and the media knowing full well he's most likely telling a load of blatant lies.

 

I'll ask it once again, why do people think we ended up with an unemployed manager with a dubious track record and nothing left to lose?

 

If you read about him, you'll find out that his track record isn't that bad. He's a competent manager and got people skills. His main problem has been his ego and his desire to put his wiener in cavities reserved for others.

 

He is a semi-competant, unemployed manager who wouldn't get a job like Newcastle in a million years under normal circumstances. Presumably Hughton was shafted because he wouldn't toe the line

 

Sacked by Southampton (in League One) then walks into a job, with seemingly no other candidates at a mid-table Premiership club.

 

Mind-boggling.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's not that amazing though, is it? It's just a slightly unlikely move - not even that strange when you consider that he's likely to get on well with our owner.

[Colocho]

It's not that amazing though, is it? It's just a slightly unlikely move - not even that strange when you consider that he's likely to get on well with our owner.

 

The concept, however?

[thewellander]

He's the managerial signing equivalent to all our recent player signings, though. We didn't have to pay compensation to another club and he likely is on a smaller wage than other managers in the EPL because of the position he was in.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's not that amazing though, is it? It's just a slightly unlikely move - not even that strange when you consider that he's likely to get on well with our owner.

 

The concept, however?

 

Well in the abstract it sounds unlikely, but I don't think it's that crazy when looked at in reality. And the man he replaced had even less experience of success. Not that I'm dissing Hughton, I liked him, just pointing it out.

[colinmk]

It's not that amazing though, is it? It's just a slightly unlikely move - not even that strange when you consider that he's likely to get on well with our owner.

 

The concept, however?

 

Well in the abstract it sounds unlikely, but I don't think it's that crazy when looked at in reality. And the man he replaced had even less experience of success. Not that I'm dissing Hughton, I liked him, just pointing it out.

 

The man he replaced won the league in his first proper season has manager, Pardew has never achieved that. Just pointing that out!

[BottledDog]

It's not that amazing though, is it? It's just a slightly unlikely move - not even that strange when you consider that he's likely to get on well with our owner.

 

The concept, however?

 

Well in the abstract it sounds unlikely, but I don't think it's that crazy when looked at in reality. And the man he replaced had even less experience of success. Not that I'm dissing Hughton, I liked him, just pointing it out.

 

Looking at all Ashley's managers, Keegan from a two year limbo, Kinnear from the scrap heap, Shearer and Hughton unknowns.

 

I'd say Pardew is almost reaching for the stars.

[Colocho]

It's not that amazing though, is it? It's just a slightly unlikely move - not even that strange when you consider that he's likely to get on well with our owner.

 

The concept, however?

 

Well in the abstract it sounds unlikely, but I don't think it's that crazy when looked at in reality. And the man he replaced had even less experience of success. Not that I'm dissing Hughton, I liked him, just pointing it out.

 

Looking at all Ashley's managers, Keegan from a two year limbo, Kinnear from the scrap heap, Shearer and Hughton unknowns.

 

I'd say Pardew is almost reaching for the stars.

 

[BottledDog]

It's not that amazing though, is it? It's just a slightly unlikely move - not even that strange when you consider that he's likely to get on well with our owner.

 

The concept, however?

 

Well in the abstract it sounds unlikely, but I don't think it's that crazy when looked at in reality. And the man he replaced had even less experience of success. Not that I'm dissing Hughton, I liked him, just pointing it out.

 

The man he replaced won the league in his first proper season has manager, Pardew has never achieved that. Just pointing that out!

 

Nope, got into the playoffs fairly quickly though. And then won promotion. And then came forth the season after promotion before being poached by Wham....

 

Who he then also got promoted.... And got into Europe....

 

Oh, and got Southampton their first trophy since 1976....

[Guest Antec]

http://www.nufcblog.com/2011/07/26/we-have-shaken-hands-like-grown-men-should/

 

We Have Shaken Hands Like Grown Men Should

2:35 pm, Tuesday, July 26th, 2011 by Ed Harrison · 44 Comments

 

More news today on the aftermath of Jose Enrique’s tweet criticizing  Newcastle owner, Mike Ashley, on Sunday.

 

The open training season – photo taken by Newcastle supporter Kevin Lively

 

And it turns out Jose has been fined two weeks wages, and since the estimate was £100K, that means the lad is getting £50K/week on Tyneside,  and has been for the last four years, since he arrived from Villareal when Sam Allardyce was the new manager of Newcastle.

 

And reading between the lines, it looks like Jose was offered close to this same exact terms over a new five year extension of his contract, and that fits with what Jose says was not really an increase at all.

 

But hey, ten years at £50K/week is not too bad for any player, surely.

 

But it seems the Newcastle manager had a good one-on-one talk with Jose, probably at the request of  a furious owner, Mike Ashley, and things have been sorted out, and it’s over, as the great Roy Orbison used to sing back in the 1960s.

 

And surprisingly enough Jose Enrique was all smiles at the open training session at the Crew Stadium yesterday, where he was seen to smile and pose for pictures with Newcastle fans in the continuous sunshine.

 

Pardew again talked about Jose:

 

    “He will play at Columbus and he trained well.” “We have shaken hands and put it all to bed like grown men should. “Now and again we all make mistakes.”

 

    “He might not think it is a mistake, but I know I do. That is all in the past now.”  “It is not good to put things on Twitter when you are not in a good place emotionally – it does not reflect well on people.”

 

    “It is an instant diary. At school you used to write diaries and you would look back and think ‘what was I writing!”  “A lot of people will look back at some things they write and be embarrassed.”

 

    “They have to learn the media are quickly alerted to these sites and it immediately turns into news and used very negatively.”

 

That’s certainly how it should be, and there is news today that Arsenal and Liverpool will now fight it out for the player.

 

And the news is that Jose should be transferred before the weekend, but somehow we just don’t that will happen.