AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 But Ian, that is the way the club keep things. It's all smoke and mirrors. Well maybe, but no club conducts its signings, financial business or contact negotiations in public. Every football fan is guessing just as much as we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Oh I am sure there will be a lot more interest than just Liverpool, with any luck IF he is going to go it will be back to Spain.. BUT I am still hoping he will sign a new contract although I think the c***s may be lucking to cash in on him and have no real interest in trying to keep him. The club wants to keep the best players, but if Enrique wants out, there's little the club can do with it. Offering him a ludicrous amount of money is wrong imo. I wish I had your faith in the powers that be... IF the offer is £15m from Liverpool then I reckon they would have no interest in keeping Jose. It's if he leaves for Lpool, he just going after the money, which is sad. But it's sensible to sell him for £15 mill. Just put yourself in MA and Pards' position. They're offered £15 mill for a player that got only 1 year left. The absolute worst thing they could do is to continue the contracts negotiations beyond the summer, desperately hoping that he will sign. If the club fails, a key player will probable leave for practically nothing come christmas. Then we have no money at all buy a decent replacement. And we have to spend money during a window which is well known for its inflated prices. If we're selling him for the quoted amount, not only are we able to buy a good replacement, we will have money left to invest in other players too. Our total squad depth and quality will in other words improve. And the way Lpool has been spending money lately, I think we'll get the amount Thompson mentioned. It will be f***ing heartbreaking to see him wear that ugly red shirt, but for the club as a whole, it's a sound move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Wonder why he would want out? Well thats it... a naff contract offer, so he feels unwanted, wants out they cash in and blame him. I doubt any fan has any trust at all for Ashley & Lambias so these kind of thoughts enter your head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Wonder why he would want out? possibly thinks he can make more money elsewhere. it's probably why tiote came here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 But Punk, how long do we go on just selling players like Carroll and Enrique. I know the Carroll deal was massive and very difficult to turn down, but £15m for one of the top LBs in the league, at his age, isn't in the same bracket at all. I know individually these deals seem OK, but surely there's a wider issue of when we need to hold onto these players to drive the club forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 We should be begging players like Jose to stay, albeit behind closed doors. I just hope the club don't try and sugar coat it if he does leave. If they can't afford him (don't want to pay the money), they need to come out and say it and stop pretending that they are a modern foward thinking club who's "hands were tied". If he moves to Liverpool he will be joining a UEFA cup team at best, so good luck to him because he could do much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 But he could help turn them from a UEFA Cup team into a Champions League team with one or two other similarly good signings. No problems with this transfer if it goes through, good luck to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Oh and another thing, if he's going, replace him during the same window. Preferably before he leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 But he could help turn them from a UEFA Cup team into a Champions League team with one or two other similarly good signings. No problems with this transfer if it goes through, good luck to him. Which one of Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City do you see dropping out of the top four? For the record they are miles behind Spurs aswell IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Wonder why he would want out? Not getting a even a hint of recognition by the selectors for the Spaninsh national team would be high, if not top of the list if I were him. Whether true or not, there is clearly an implied bias towards players playing in Spain or a few big name clubs in England including Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Liverpool are likely to not be in Europe so if it happens it will only be for bigger wages. I don't think Liverpool can afford the wage bill they are paying either mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 How can we aim for success if we sell the likes of Jose, its a bad sign to the rest of the squad, the Carroll sale definitely upset things.. they need to show the players that they are serious about aiming higher than just Premier League survival every season. Not every player moves for money but you can bet the offer Jose got included a massive wage cut, and this is going to happen time and time again at this club. No good having top players if they refuse to pay them good money to stay when other clubs are will to pay them good money to leave. We will constantly lose our best players and end up a club that makes a profit but has a piss poor thin squad that gets relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 People have very short memories. He was making all the right noises about renewing his deal, and spending the rest of his career here. Right up until one Andrew Carroll was sold and our level of ambition was shown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Ashley is profit driven, we are glory driven... no good only wanting to make money from a football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Liverpool aim to win the league every year. We might chuckle at how far off that they may be at present, and the money Man City have now has made things much harder for them, but that's still their ambition every single season without fail. Buying good players only helps them. In 2008/09 when we were relegated they finished second in the Premier League, hardly eons ago. The difference in ambition couldn't be more marked. It's absolutely laughable that some are questioning why Enrique would want to go there, irrespective of the pay increase he will undoubtedly pick up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Ashley is profit driven, we are glory driven... no good only wanting to make money from a football club. It's worse that that he doesn't want to make money, he wants to get back the money he has already lost in the club. If he wanted to make a profit that he would invest in the team and sell us further down the line. Instead he wants to bleed our assets dry and replace them cheaper. At the moment he is being lucky and riding the storm, it will come back to haunt him eventually and us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Liverpool are willing to spend £35 million on one of the best prospects in English football. We sold him. Which team would you rather play for, long-term? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 It is all about ambition and not more cash for Enrique. If NUFC's aim is PL survival every year, whilst the cash still rolls in from selling it's best players, then why should said good players want to stay when there is no ambition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Liverpool are willing to spend £35 million on one of the best prospects in English football. We sold him. Which team would you rather play for, long-term? Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Liverpool aim to win the league every year. We might chuckle at how far off that they may be at present, and the money Man City have now has made things much harder for them, but that's still their ambition every single season without fail. Buying good players only helps them. In 2008/09 when we were relegated they finished second in the Premier League, hardly eons ago. The difference in ambition couldn't be more marked. It's absolutely laughable that some are questioning why Enrique would want to go there, irrespective of the pay increase he will undoubtedly pick up. There nowhere near the Champions League though and i don't see how that is going to change unless Henry starts spending like City and Chelsea. They will not being winning any leagues. If Jose wants to join a side capable of winning major honours then i'm sure he could find one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 But Ian, that is the way the club keep things. It's all smoke and mirrors. Well maybe, but no club conducts its signings, financial business or contact negotiations in public. Every football fan is guessing just as much as we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Liverpool are willing to spend £35 million on one of the best prospects in English football. We sold him. Which team would you rather play for, long-term? Pointless question. We have been saying for years how we wouldn't mind seeing Jose move on to better things because frankly he's well capable of it. But Liverpool is the wrong choice. There would be better clubs than Liverpool willing to take him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Liverpool never lose anyone to better sides mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 But Punk, how long do we go on just selling players like Carroll and Enrique. I know the Carroll deal was massive and very difficult to turn down, but £15m for one of the top LBs in the league, at his age, isn't in the same bracket at all. It's a predicament I know. But it's the players that want to leave. The club is not throwing them out. The problem is that Lpool is willing to offer silly money and sadly this represents the current development of game . Players don't give a fuck about club loyalty and the situation is worsened by the agents. NUFC is one of the few clubs that actually have the guts to say no. A good example is Carroll: he'd just performed half a pl-season. Still he found it natural to demand to be the highest paid player in the club. Giving him what he wanted would have set the standard for every contract negotiation in the future. The only way we will get Enrique to sign is to offer him silly money. But that on the other hand will take money from our transfer budget. Since we have no money to buy a good backup we depend on Enrique being fit through the season, which is not likely. This season has shown that we need squad depth more than anything. Carroll is now paid £80 000 a week as a reward for his 11 pl-goals. And Enrique would probably be offered a similar amount of money. If he's given a similar contract length, Lpool with pay around £45 million pounds in salary during this period, and it's for only two players..Then multiply this with 10 and you got the whole first squad..How the hell are they going to pay for this? They will never break even and will become totally owner dependent. Still their squad is shit. With our transfer kitty I think we next season will have a good enough squad to compete for europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Liverpool are willing to spend £35 million on one of the best prospects in English football. We sold him. Which team would you rather play for, long-term? Newcastle We are Newcastle supporters though. But Punk, how long do we go on just selling players like Carroll and Enrique. I know the Carroll deal was massive and very difficult to turn down, but £15m for one of the top LBs in the league, at his age, isn't in the same bracket at all. It's a predicament I know. But it's the players that want to leave. The club is not throwing them out. The problem is that Lpool is willing to offer silly money and sadly this represents the current development of game . Players don't give a fuck about club loyalty and the situation is worsened by the agents. NUFC is one of the few clubs that actually have the guts to say no. A good example is Carroll: he'd just performed half a pl-season. Still he found it natural to demand to be the highest paid player in the club. Giving him what he wanted would have set the standard for every contract negotiation in the future. The only way we will get Enrique to sign is to offer him silly money. But that on the other hand will take money from our transfer budget. Since we have no money to buy a good backup we depend on Enrique being fit through the season, which is not likely. This season has shown that we need squad depth more than anything. Carroll is now paid £80 000 a week as a reward for his 11 pl-goals. And Enrique would probably be offered a similar amount of money. If he's given a similar contract length, Lpool with pay around £45 million pounds in salary during this period, and it's for only two players..Then multiply this with 10 and you got the whole first squad..How the hell are they going to pay for this? They will never break even and will become totally owner dependent. Still their squad is shit. With our transfer kitty I think we next season will have a good enough squad to compete for europe. £15 million really isn't 'silly money' for a proven, 25 year-old, knocking on the door of the Spanish national team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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