NSG Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Eng U21s 1-0 Romania U21s Derbyshire 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Derbyshire seems to be some player. Impressed every time I've seen him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Can someone upload the Fergie gif again? http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/mcfcdean/4zaq593.gif Bwahahaha!!!! mackems.gif How that any different from posting Chopra's miss in a friendly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSG Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 1-1 Stunning free kick, off the bar and in off the keepers back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Derbyshire seems to be some player. Impressed every time I've seen him. Interesting comment. Doesn't really stand out unless he's scoring goals. Certainly looks a good goalscorer. More a poacher, Owen type of striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Craig Gardener doing a decent job, despite being played out of position at international level too, now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Always enjoy watching the u21's. M johnson in the middle has looked good as has Noble at times. Also like the look of that Romanian left winger, number 11, has produced some decent bits of play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I like the look of that Noble, too, West Ham have got a good player on their hands there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 As a non-English man, I must say I think England's future looks bright. I really think the players coming through look promising. I'm not sure if the foreigners ruining future English talent malarchy is valid. As for Pearce, he might not be tactically great, but maybe at this age it is more important that these players learn to approach playing for their country the right way. They can get their tactical knowledge from their clubs. You only have to look at the current 1st team to realise that talent alone isn't enough. Those guys just lack the right mental strength and approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 As a non-English man, I must say I think England's future looks bright. I really think the players coming through look promising. I'm not sure if the foreigners ruining future English talent malarchy is valid. As for Pearce, he might not be tactically great, but maybe at this age it is more important that these players learn to approach playing for their country the right way. They can get their tactical knowledge from their clubs. You only have to look at the current 1st team to realise that talent alone isn't enough. Those guys just lack the right mental strength and approach. I said that on his appointment, not many on here agreed like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I disagree, part of the point is getting players used to playing in different systems and in a different way, against the sort of teams and systems they would not encounter in the premiership. Ideally the under 21 manager should specialise in preparing players for the styles and approaches foreign teams bring. that means when they reach the senior squad, they aren't totally out of their depth and don't know how to cope with the fact that even poor foreign teams have better technique than our "stars" and can keep possession better and pass rings around us. we've saw under sven and mcclaren that we still haven't learned to adapt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Always enjoy watching the u21's. M johnson in the middle has looked good as has Noble at times. Also like the look of that Romanian left winger, number 11, has produced some decent bits of play. If johnson and Noble can play together, why ca't lampard and gerrard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I disagree, part of the point is getting players used to playing in different systems and in a different way, against the sort of teams and systems they would not encounter in the premiership. Ideally the under 21 manager should specialise in preparing players for the styles and approaches foreign teams bring. that means when they reach the senior squad, they aren't totally out of their depth and don't know how to cope with the fact that even poor foreign teams have better technique than our "stars" and can keep possession better and pass rings around us. we've saw under sven and mcclaren that we still haven't learned to adapt. Any national manager simply doesn't have enough time to get to know each individual player and work out how they can help them to adapt/develop. Most of it comes from club football. Which is why with next to no englishmen playing abroad we're still lacking in that department imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I disagree, part of the point is getting players used to playing in different systems and in a different way, against the sort of teams and systems they would not encounter in the premiership. Ideally the under 21 manager should specialise in preparing players for the styles and approaches foreign teams bring. that means when they reach the senior squad, they aren't totally out of their depth and don't know how to cope with the fact that even poor foreign teams have better technique than our "stars" and can keep possession better and pass rings around us. we've saw under sven and mcclaren that we still haven't learned to adapt. The things you mention are things that they should be taught at their clubs. I think the general coaching of youngsters needs to be improved from as young an age as possible. These players are with their national teams for such short periods that it woul dbe impossible to learn all of the stuff you are talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I disagree, part of the point is getting players used to playing in different systems and in a different way, against the sort of teams and systems they would not encounter in the premiership. Ideally the under 21 manager should specialise in preparing players for the styles and approaches foreign teams bring. that means when they reach the senior squad, they aren't totally out of their depth and don't know how to cope with the fact that even poor foreign teams have better technique than our "stars" and can keep possession better and pass rings around us. we've saw under sven and mcclaren that we still haven't learned to adapt. Any national manager simply doesn't have enough time to get to know each individual player and work out how they can help them to adapt/develop. Most of it comes from club football. Which is why with next to no englishmen playing abroad we're still lacking in that department imo. i don't really buy that. even a knowledgable fan could watch a player enough to know what elements of his game need working on to adapt to international football and the u21 coach has a full time job to watch his players and learn about them. the under 21 boss gets them for a few days training every international break as well as a match, i think that is more than enough time to give them the pointers and directions needed. if he doesn't have enough time to do this, then he doesn't have enough time to tell them what formation to play in, what the game plan is, what the individual player's jobs are. which would be a ridiculous suggesiton. if he has enough time to do this, then he has enough time to prepare them for what is different about international footy, as the two overlap. as for the clubs teaching them that, why would they? there's little benefit for a club manager to teach his lads how to play in a team exclusively made up of englishmen where everyone else has similar weaknesses of technique, movement, tempo and passing. the only players who will get any sort of similar advice will be those whose clubs are playing in europe and since that is such an international arena the football on offer is a hybrid style that is much easier for an english player to adapt to - not least cos their own team will likely have foreigners compensating for their weaknesses and vice versa. a perfect example of this would be gerrard, who is not asked to tone down his aggressive, attacking style in europe for liverpool, as the club has other players to keep possession and do the water carrying job, while he is compensating for their inability to play powerfully. at international level however he usually looks out of his depth because it is then up to him to perform other tasks and he's never been trained or prepared for this. and it is naive to expect englsh players to move abroad, the domestic league is aflush with cash so there is no real incentive to move abroad. it's time we started dealing with the problems at the youth levels (under 21 being the last youth level) rather than hope for a blood and guts up and at them manager like Pearce instilling "pride" into the players. that attitude has done fuck all for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richo Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Were the crowd chanting "milner, milner, milner" just before he came on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Hope milner doesnt get injured by the way them romanians have been flying into challenges Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I disagree, part of the point is getting players used to playing in different systems and in a different way, against the sort of teams and systems they would not encounter in the premiership. Ideally the under 21 manager should specialise in preparing players for the styles and approaches foreign teams bring. that means when they reach the senior squad, they aren't totally out of their depth and don't know how to cope with the fact that even poor foreign teams have better technique than our "stars" and can keep possession better and pass rings around us. we've saw under sven and mcclaren that we still haven't learned to adapt. Any national manager simply doesn't have enough time to get to know each individual player and work out how they can help them to adapt/develop. Most of it comes from club football. Which is why with next to no englishmen playing abroad we're still lacking in that department imo. i don't really buy that. even a knowledgable fan could watch a player enough to know what elements of his game need working on to adapt to international football and the u21 coach has a full time job to watch his players and learn about them. the under 21 boss gets them for a few days training every international break as well as a match, i think that is more than enough time to give them the pointers and directions needed. if he doesn't have enough time to do this, then he doesn't have enough time to tell them what formation to play in, what the game plan is, what the individual player's jobs are. which would be a ridiculous suggesiton. if he has enough time to do this, then he has enough time to prepare them for what is different about international footy, as the two overlap. as for the clubs teaching them that, why would they? there's little benefit for a club manager to teach his lads how to play in a team exclusively made up of englishmen where everyone else has similar weaknesses of technique, movement, tempo and passing. the only players who will get any sort of similar advice will be those whose clubs are playing in europe and since that is such an international arena the football on offer is a hybrid style that is much easier for an english player to adapt to - not least cos their own team will likely have foreigners compensating for their weaknesses and vice versa. a perfect example of this would be gerrard, who is not asked to tone down his aggressive, attacking style in europe for liverpool, as the club has other players to keep possession and do the water carrying job, while he is compensating for their inability to play powerfully. at international level however he usually looks out of his depth because it is then up to him to perform other tasks and he's never been trained or prepared for this. and it is naive to expect englsh players to move abroad, the domestic league is aflush with cash so there is no real incentive to move abroad. it's time we started dealing with the problems at the youth levels (under 21 being the last youth level) rather than hope for a blood and guts up and at them manager like Pearce instilling "pride" into the players. that attitude has done fuck all for us. Can see what you're saying, but you're basically saying that we need an international standard manager (foreigner seeing as there's no englishman to do the job for the senior team let alone the youth set ups) to bring our young talent through. Bit unrealistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 England U21's 1-1 Romania U21'S Good Game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I disagree, part of the point is getting players used to playing in different systems and in a different way, against the sort of teams and systems they would not encounter in the premiership. Ideally the under 21 manager should specialise in preparing players for the styles and approaches foreign teams bring. that means when they reach the senior squad, they aren't totally out of their depth and don't know how to cope with the fact that even poor foreign teams have better technique than our "stars" and can keep possession better and pass rings around us. we've saw under sven and mcclaren that we still haven't learned to adapt. Any national manager simply doesn't have enough time to get to know each individual player and work out how they can help them to adapt/develop. Most of it comes from club football. Which is why with next to no englishmen playing abroad we're still lacking in that department imo. This is one of the reasons Allardyce probably isn't suitable for the England job, his strength seeming to be his management of the individual on a full time basis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I disagree, part of the point is getting players used to playing in different systems and in a different way, against the sort of teams and systems they would not encounter in the premiership. Ideally the under 21 manager should specialise in preparing players for the styles and approaches foreign teams bring. that means when they reach the senior squad, they aren't totally out of their depth and don't know how to cope with the fact that even poor foreign teams have better technique than our "stars" and can keep possession better and pass rings around us. we've saw under sven and mcclaren that we still haven't learned to adapt. Any national manager simply doesn't have enough time to get to know each individual player and work out how they can help them to adapt/develop. Most of it comes from club football. Which is why with next to no englishmen playing abroad we're still lacking in that department imo. This is one of the reasons Allardyce probably isn't suitable for the England job, his strength seeming to be his management of the individual on a full time basis Think Sven aswell is like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I disagree, part of the point is getting players used to playing in different systems and in a different way, against the sort of teams and systems they would not encounter in the premiership. Ideally the under 21 manager should specialise in preparing players for the styles and approaches foreign teams bring. that means when they reach the senior squad, they aren't totally out of their depth and don't know how to cope with the fact that even poor foreign teams have better technique than our "stars" and can keep possession better and pass rings around us. we've saw under sven and mcclaren that we still haven't learned to adapt. Any national manager simply doesn't have enough time to get to know each individual player and work out how they can help them to adapt/develop. Most of it comes from club football. Which is why with next to no englishmen playing abroad we're still lacking in that department imo. i don't really buy that. even a knowledgable fan could watch a player enough to know what elements of his game need working on to adapt to international football and the u21 coach has a full time job to watch his players and learn about them. the under 21 boss gets them for a few days training every international break as well as a match, i think that is more than enough time to give them the pointers and directions needed. if he doesn't have enough time to do this, then he doesn't have enough time to tell them what formation to play in, what the game plan is, what the individual player's jobs are. which would be a ridiculous suggesiton. if he has enough time to do this, then he has enough time to prepare them for what is different about international footy, as the two overlap. as for the clubs teaching them that, why would they? there's little benefit for a club manager to teach his lads how to play in a team exclusively made up of englishmen where everyone else has similar weaknesses of technique, movement, tempo and passing. the only players who will get any sort of similar advice will be those whose clubs are playing in europe and since that is such an international arena the football on offer is a hybrid style that is much easier for an english player to adapt to - not least cos their own team will likely have foreigners compensating for their weaknesses and vice versa. a perfect example of this would be gerrard, who is not asked to tone down his aggressive, attacking style in europe for liverpool, as the club has other players to keep possession and do the water carrying job, while he is compensating for their inability to play powerfully. at international level however he usually looks out of his depth because it is then up to him to perform other tasks and he's never been trained or prepared for this. and it is naive to expect englsh players to move abroad, the domestic league is aflush with cash so there is no real incentive to move abroad. it's time we started dealing with the problems at the youth levels (under 21 being the last youth level) rather than hope for a blood and guts up and at them manager like Pearce instilling "pride" into the players. that attitude has done fuck all for us. Can see what you're saying, but you're basically saying that we need an international standard manager (foreigner seeing as there's no englishman to do the job for the senior team let alone the youth set ups) to bring our young talent through. Bit unrealistic. we had Sven and he was the first team manager! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I disagree, part of the point is getting players used to playing in different systems and in a different way, against the sort of teams and systems they would not encounter in the premiership. Ideally the under 21 manager should specialise in preparing players for the styles and approaches foreign teams bring. that means when they reach the senior squad, they aren't totally out of their depth and don't know how to cope with the fact that even poor foreign teams have better technique than our "stars" and can keep possession better and pass rings around us. we've saw under sven and mcclaren that we still haven't learned to adapt. Any national manager simply doesn't have enough time to get to know each individual player and work out how they can help them to adapt/develop. Most of it comes from club football. Which is why with next to no englishmen playing abroad we're still lacking in that department imo. i don't really buy that. even a knowledgable fan could watch a player enough to know what elements of his game need working on to adapt to international football and the u21 coach has a full time job to watch his players and learn about them. the under 21 boss gets them for a few days training every international break as well as a match, i think that is more than enough time to give them the pointers and directions needed. if he doesn't have enough time to do this, then he doesn't have enough time to tell them what formation to play in, what the game plan is, what the individual player's jobs are. which would be a ridiculous suggesiton. if he has enough time to do this, then he has enough time to prepare them for what is different about international footy, as the two overlap. as for the clubs teaching them that, why would they? there's little benefit for a club manager to teach his lads how to play in a team exclusively made up of englishmen where everyone else has similar weaknesses of technique, movement, tempo and passing. the only players who will get any sort of similar advice will be those whose clubs are playing in europe and since that is such an international arena the football on offer is a hybrid style that is much easier for an english player to adapt to - not least cos their own team will likely have foreigners compensating for their weaknesses and vice versa. a perfect example of this would be gerrard, who is not asked to tone down his aggressive, attacking style in europe for liverpool, as the club has other players to keep possession and do the water carrying job, while he is compensating for their inability to play powerfully. at international level however he usually looks out of his depth because it is then up to him to perform other tasks and he's never been trained or prepared for this. and it is naive to expect englsh players to move abroad, the domestic league is aflush with cash so there is no real incentive to move abroad. it's time we started dealing with the problems at the youth levels (under 21 being the last youth level) rather than hope for a blood and guts up and at them manager like Pearce instilling "pride" into the players. that attitude has done fuck all for us. Can see what you're saying, but you're basically saying that we need an international standard manager (foreigner seeing as there's no englishman to do the job for the senior team let alone the youth set ups) to bring our young talent through. Bit unrealistic. we had Sven and he was the full time manager! I know! For the under 21's though, it would be hard to find someone who would be willing to take the job & teach them about the international game in Europe. SO we're left with the Stuart Pearce's, David Platt's etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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