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Keegan couldn't possibly know Ashley would use the excuse to put the club openly on the market and appoint the only manager he could find that would work on a rolling monthly contract, but saying this with the hindsight of this Summer, how on earth can you say Keegan leaving during the last transfer window would have made the situation better. If he had left during the Summer, I 100% guarantee he would have been criticised for "not giving the system a chance" and "ruining any chance of getting players in". "The system" was the bees knees last Summer remember. If he had left later in the season, I 100% guarantee he would have been criticised for "leaving in the middle of the season when it was too late to get new players in January/turn things around". If he had left at the end of the season, I 100% guarantee he would have been criticised for "if he wasn't happy with the players he got why didn't he leave last year". He left after giving them a chance to prove their system could work and at a time when it wouldn't interfere with their transfer dealings, but with a full season to get a new coach in who would work within the system's restrictions. If anything he left at the least damaging time. if he had left 2 or 3 weeks prior to the window shutting and was honest enough to say he couldn't work under those conditions but was leaving in time to give the club a chance to get players they wanted would seem fair enough. It would give the club a chance to get the players they wanted? They were already buying the players they wanted, this was the problem. thats the whole point. why were they doing it ? even within the DoF systems in spain the coach will most often be consulted on players to come and go. was keegan asking the earth ? lets have him and llambias in court under oath to see who was wanted by keegan and who was wanted by wise ?

Keegan couldn't possibly know Ashley would use the excuse to put the club openly on the market and appoint the only manager he could find that would work on a rolling monthly contract, but saying this with the hindsight of this Summer, how on earth can you say Keegan leaving during the last transfer window would have made the situation better. If he had left during the Summer, I 100% guarantee he would have been criticised for "not giving the system a chance" and "ruining any chance of getting players in". "The system" was the bees knees last Summer remember. If he had left later in the season, I 100% guarantee he would have been criticised for "leaving in the middle of the season when it was too late to get new players in January/turn things around". If he had left at the end of the season, I 100% guarantee he would have been criticised for "if he wasn't happy with the players he got why didn't he leave last year". He left after giving them a chance to prove their system could work and at a time when it wouldn't interfere with their transfer dealings, but with a full season to get a new coach in who would work within the system's restrictions. If anything he left at the least damaging time. if he had left 2 or 3 weeks prior to the window shutting and was honest enough to say he couldn't work under those conditions but was leaving in time to give the club a chance to get players they wanted would seem fair enough. also the sysytem as we knew it last summer heavily involved keegan beacuse he told us so.

50 cent option.

keegan in my eyes does shoulder some responsibility purely for his timing but nowhere near as much blame as those who have been running the club for the past 5 or 6 years.

as with the previous board. hurrah for the good stuff and booooo for the bad stuff. i personally think keegan as a manager was a spent force after england. at citeh he relied on spending power to get promoted and to stay in the prem without being anywhere near enetertaining. then got a decent newcastle squad to play moderatly well but nowhere near their potential. He was here less than a full season man, what did you expect him to do in that time? Pretty much confirms you haven't got a clue or just slagging off Keegan for the sake of it. or pretty much confirms you will defend him regardless. hey kinnear wasn't here a full season either,maybe we shouldn't slag him off ? Well no, because Kinnear's team wasn't on the way up was it? How's it defending him regardless? I'd give all manager's time unless they were showing terrible signs, but you seem willing to write someone off while the team is improving despite having only been here a matter of months. As I say, either clueless or on the wind up. And for what it's worth I won't defend him regardless but I've yet to see what he did wrong leaving in September. kinnears team was in much the same position as keegans. keegan was there from january. if it's not long enought o judge then it can't be long enough to say he saved us....can't have it both ways. did you at any point have a go at kinnear who probably had fewer games in charge than keegan ? happy to give him more time eh ? as for writing off, you'll see i started it with his time at citeh and england.......hardly a few months. what he did wrong in sept was pick the worse possible timing. if it had been going on all summer as the rumour goes what made himthinkm it would suddenly change. if he felt about the club the way many claim he should have went earlier to at least let the club sort itself before the deadline. He was waiting till the end of the window for the players he wanted (i.e. a LB), how would he know earlier he was going to get one? And if rumours are to be believed the club trying to flog Barton on the last day also tipped him over the edge. As many have said, West Ham were in the exact same boat except they finished top half we got relegated, neither of the respective positions were the fault of Curbishley or Keegan. come on,if as the rumours go it was going on all summer and the only player that was his was guthrie. he must've known but some can't even countenance the possibility that he timed it that way to get his own back. west ham had a more balanced squad with kids coming through to play their part then got lucky in appointing zola. As I said, some stuff only happened on the last day i.e. trying to sell Barton. What you on about West Ham had a balanced squad and kids coming through? So Keegan's problem was that he left when we had an unbalanced squad? Funny that because I'm sure that's why he was annoyed in the first place. we have know idea why he left ? who knows what players he was asking for ? it's why i've repeatewdly said i want it to go to court. can't understand why he thought it would all change in the last week after what had happened all summer...unless of course he knew it wasn't going to change.

as with the previous board. hurrah for the good stuff and booooo for the bad stuff. i personally think keegan as a manager was a spent force after england. at citeh he relied on spending power to get promoted and to stay in the prem without being anywhere near enetertaining. then got a decent newcastle squad to play moderatly well but nowhere near their potential. He was here less than a full season man, what did you expect him to do in that time? Pretty much confirms you haven't got a clue or just slagging off Keegan for the sake of it. or pretty much confirms you will defend him regardless. hey kinnear wasn't here a full season either,maybe we shouldn't slag him off ? Well no, because Kinnear's team wasn't on the way up was it? How's it defending him regardless? I'd give all manager's time unless they were showing terrible signs, but you seem willing to write someone off while the team is improving despite having only been here a matter of months. As I say, either clueless or on the wind up. And for what it's worth I won't defend him regardless but I've yet to see what he did wrong leaving in September. kinnears team was in much the same position as keegans. keegan was there from january. if it's not long enought o judge then it can't be long enough to say he saved us....can't have it both ways. did you at any point have a go at kinnear who probably had fewer games in charge than keegan ? happy to give him more time eh ? as for writing off, you'll see i started it with his time at citeh and england.......hardly a few months. what he did wrong in sept was pick the worse possible timing. if it had been going on all summer as the rumour goes what made himthinkm it would suddenly change. if he felt about the club the way many claim he should have went earlier to at least let the club sort itself before the deadline. He was waiting till the end of the window for the players he wanted (i.e. a LB), how would he know earlier he was going to get one? And if rumours are to be believed the club trying to flog Barton on the last day also tipped him over the edge. As many have said, West Ham were in the exact same boat except they finished top half we got relegated, neither of the respective positions were the fault of Curbishley or Keegan. come on,if as the rumours go it was going on all summer and the only player that was his was guthrie. he must've known but some can't even countenance the possibility that he timed it that way to get his own back. west ham had a more balanced squad with kids coming through to play their part then got lucky in appointing zola.

as with the previous board. hurrah for the good stuff and booooo for the bad stuff. i personally think keegan as a manager was a spent force after england. at citeh he relied on spending power to get promoted and to stay in the prem without being anywhere near enetertaining. then got a decent newcastle squad to play moderatly well but nowhere near their potential. He was here less than a full season man, what did you expect him to do in that time? Pretty much confirms you haven't got a clue or just slagging off Keegan for the sake of it. or pretty much confirms you will defend him regardless. hey kinnear wasn't here a full season either,maybe we shouldn't slag him off ? Well no, because Kinnear's team wasn't on the way up was it? How's it defending him regardless? I'd give all manager's time unless they were showing terrible signs, but you seem willing to write someone off while the team is improving despite having only been here a matter of months. As I say, either clueless or on the wind up. And for what it's worth I won't defend him regardless but I've yet to see what he did wrong leaving in September. kinnears team was in much the same position as keegans. keegan was there from january. if it's not long enought o judge then it can't be long enough to say he saved us....can't have it both ways. did you at any point have a go at kinnear who probably had fewer games in charge than keegan ? happy to give him more time eh ? as for writing off, you'll see i started it with his time at citeh and england.......hardly a few months. what he did wrong in sept was pick the worse possible timing. if it had been going on all summer as the rumour goes what made himthinkm it would suddenly change. if he felt about the club the way many claim he should have went earlier to at least let the club sort itself before the deadline.

as with the previous board. hurrah for the good stuff and booooo for the bad stuff. i personally think keegan as a manager was a spent force after england. at citeh he relied on spending power to get promoted and to stay in the prem without being anywhere near enetertaining. then got a decent newcastle squad to play moderatly well but nowhere near their potential. He was here less than a full season man, what did you expect him to do in that time? Pretty much confirms you haven't got a clue or just slagging off Keegan for the sake of it. or pretty much confirms you will defend him regardless. hey kinnear wasn't here a full season either,maybe we shouldn't slag him off ?

as with the previous board. hurrah for the good stuff and booooo for the bad stuff. i personally think keegan as a manager was a spent force after england. at citeh he relied on spending power to get promoted and to stay in the prem without being anywhere near enetertaining. then got a decent newcastle squad to play moderatly well but nowhere near their potential.

Too early to say. Hasn't hit a rough spot yet and Villa have done reasonably well for a couple of seasons (not as well as we did with crap owners though), but even now they're getting lower crowds than we are with all that's going on at our club, and the supporters who do turn up boo their players after conceding a couple of goals. Their debt (to him) is larger than ours was and it has all been spent on "trophy" players, not on stadium expansions or new training grounds/academy facilities for example. Exactly the sort of short termism our last lot were accused of but on a bigger (more expensive) scale. Their wage bill will have shot up in the last couple of years, but their turnover is still a lot less than ours was in the premiership. I doubt he'll be funding them as significantly in the next couple of years unless they manage to get in the CL. Let's see how he copes when the supporters get restless because they have a couple of poor seasons, they don't spend £10m+ every Summer, he has to get a new manager in, or even just because they are only getting into the UEFA cup every other year. He's certainly pretty good at PR though, and that's what counts most for some. he should expect it to get really rough if they drop like a stone from being in a great psoition and hocks the club up to the hilt and looks to do build even more debt they'll struggle to finance with managers everyone knows will not cut it. see what i did there ?

Randy Lerner is basically the worlds most perfect owner. Lets his manager get on with it with as much cash as he needs. piffle. if that was the case villa would be challenging citeh for signings. Within reason. as with every club in the league then ? No. how ? i'm pretty sure almost every chairman will give his manager as much as he can within reason. Lerner has given O'Niell almost free reign with as much money as he's asked for as far as I know, that was my point, that he's hired a manager, trusted him and backed him up with anything he's needed within reason. This isn't true for every chairman in the league. that will be because they have an understanding of each other and o'neill has an idea of how much lerner can stretch to. plus it's unlikely o'neill would come out ion the press to say "i'd like to buy such and such but the chairman has poo pooed the idea of us being able to afford him" there is not one manager in world football who wouldn't want more money to spend on players. Well from everything I've heard Lerner has been wanting O'Niell to spend more but he's the one not doing it. You'd have to ask someone like brummie for more detail but that's been my understanding of it. even then all you'll get is rumour and speculation and we should know how often that turns out to have any validity.

What an absolute bell end. Why is there a need to write stuff like that? so big club getting relegated is good for football. big club doing well in lower tier is bad. sorry ian. should we do a leeds just to make you happy. f***ing idiot. to be fair having read it. he's just having a laugh and is actually complementing us on not being the leeds type disaster many thought we would be.

Randy Lerner is basically the worlds most perfect owner. Lets his manager get on with it with as much cash as he needs. piffle. if that was the case villa would be challenging citeh for signings. Within reason. as with every club in the league then ? No. how ? i'm pretty sure almost every chairman will give his manager as much as he can within reason. Lerner has given O'Niell almost free reign with as much money as he's asked for as far as I know, that was my point, that he's hired a manager, trusted him and backed him up with anything he's needed within reason. This isn't true for every chairman in the league. that will be because they have an understanding of each other and o'neill has an idea of how much lerner can stretch to. plus it's unlikely o'neill would come out ion the press to say "i'd like to buy such and such but the chairman has poo pooed the idea of us being able to afford him" there is not one manager in world football who wouldn't want more money to spend on players.

Randy Lerner is basically the worlds most perfect owner. Lets his manager get on with it with as much cash as he needs. piffle. if that was the case villa would be challenging citeh for signings. Within reason. as with every club in the league then ? No. how ? i'm pretty sure almost every chairman will give his manager as much as he can within reason.

hows that ? we didn't have the money to provide what he wanted,he walked. why couldn't he cut his cloth like the every other manager has to ? how,-- gratuitous indulging in Keegan bashing, then he returns , we are good,= they are twats. come on you understand this. it doesn't matter who the person is i'll slag them off when they do something to be slagged off for and applaud accordingly when they deserve it. i'll not defend someone to the hilt without evidence especially if i know they have previous. I'm in this camp. im amazed that this is even a camp. common sense would say that this is how it should be, as its this way for every other human in the world. (maybe not michael jackson) trouble with common sense is it's not very common.

Randy Lerner is basically the worlds most perfect owner. Lets his manager get on with it with as much cash as he needs. piffle. if that was the case villa would be challenging citeh for signings. Within reason. as with every club in the league then ?

Not a single shred of evidence The only thing Keegan can be "blamed" for is taking on the job to save us from relegation under those conditions in the first place whilst allowing them to put a clause in his contract where he would have to pay the club millions of pounds should he leave, and believing in the same vacuous promises of "challenging for everything" that most on here did. your evidence quote 1...what does executive director mean. does a scout work on player recruitment ?..i notice on the 3rd emboldend bit you neglected to bolden the word ALL, no doubt as that would seem to say that it was all keegans wotk with some assisting by others. quote 2...report to..mourinho had to report to whats his name the ex man utd bloke. i'd be quite sure ferguson reports to others aswell, it's a pretty vague term. why not embloden the second sentence as that appears to condemn keegan a bit. quote 3...bit of controversy here as bassongs signing was always claimed as being keegans. even then as i've asked loads of times what if keegan wanted players who were out of reach and refused to budge.(re signori first time round)

Randy Lerner is basically the worlds most perfect owner. Lets his manager get on with it with as much cash as he needs. piffle. if that was the case villa would be challenging citeh for signings.

hows that ? we didn't have the money to provide what he wanted,he walked. why couldn't he cut his cloth like the every other manager has to ? how,-- gratuitous indulging in Keegan bashing, then he returns , we are good,= they are twats. come on you understand this. it doesn't matter who the person is i'll slag them off when they do something to be slagged off for and applaud accordingly when they deserve it. i'll not defend someone to the hilt without evidence especially if i know they have previous. I'm in this camp. thats not a very nice thing to call me.

to be fair rumours of americans were abounding at the leeds pre season game. i wonder how long this deal has been gestating ?

hows that ? we didn't have the money to provide what he wanted,he walked. why couldn't he cut his cloth like the every other manager has to ? how,-- gratuitous indulging in Keegan bashing, then he returns , we are good,= they are twats. come on you understand this. it doesn't matter who the person is i'll slag them off when they do something to be slagged off for and applaud accordingly when they deserve it. i'll not defend someone to the hilt without evidence especially if i know they have previous.

What an absolute bell end. Why is there a need to write stuff like that? so big club getting relegated is good for football. big club doing well in lower tier is bad. sorry ian. should we do a leeds just to make you happy. fucking idiot.

hows that ? we didn't have the money to provide what he wanted,he walked. why couldn't he cut his cloth like the every other manager has to ?

It's all up apart from their bit on the takeover. false alarm again