madras

Go get some sleep if your tired. God knows your on here long enough. Fail x2. Alan Shearer strikes me as a very principled man, so yeah, in the same circumstances I reckon he'd have walked too. Any excuse to have yet another go at Keegan though, you ungrateful little twerp. Another grammar triumph! Well done! Give yourself a hand! Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me. Ungrateful? From where I stand Keegan was given a job he wanted. Was paid £3 million a year to do the job. Agreed to a setup put in place. Acted as though all was well. Started the season well. Then suddenly leaves at the most inopportune moment. That's my opinion. Keegan handled the situation just as badly as Ashley and his pals did. Simple as that. Do you have details of his contract to say how much he was being paid? Do you have details of exactly what went on at the time of Keegan's departure? No, but no one else does either! Look ... please, it's not my intention to start up another one of these arguments, as they irritate me as much as they do most on here. All I said was that I think Shearer is more sensible and reasonable, and I didn't think Shearer would have left the club so easily under the same circumstances. I think he's more of a fighter than that. I honestly wasn't trying to have a go at Keegan, although I can now see how it might have come accross that way. Keegan is a great person and has been a great manager, but I have always felt he had a bit of a personality flaw as far as his temperament goes. Just my opinion. Shearer would've had the exact same problems as Keegan. there's no telling how it wouldve worked out but im sure he wouldnt have stuck around while some clown bought s*** players behind his back and tried putting him in his place. whether shearer wouldve confronted llambias and wise and issued an ultimatum as keegan is reported to have done - or whether he wouldve done something different, is anyone's guess. but if he was met with an owner who refused to change the system no matter what (even to the point of selling the club which is bizarre) then he'd ultimately have met the same fate. managers dont like board interference and that's true whether you're keegan, shearer, curbishley, redknapp or deschamps. Aye that Coloccini's s***, should have got Anton Ferdinand instead. Obviously you know for a fact Keegan wanted Ferdinand I presume? i know it's as much a fact as keegan had no say in transfer dealings.

A sad fact as well Dave is that if it wasn't for Keegan in some way, a lot of the nimrods on here wouldn't even support Newcastle United. doesn't mean he's omnipotent though does it. Nice word Madras. yes. Madras is as good a word as there is.

A sad fact as well Dave is that if it wasn't for Keegan in some way, a lot of the nimrods on here wouldn't even support Newcastle United. doesn't mean he's omnipotent though does it.

it's not so much how people have turned as much as it is people saying there may well be more to this than the majority of the crowd are making out.

no, I don't. I think if Keegan was still manager, or/and if the team was winning games and doing better, the crowds would be better. I find this an amazing comment from someone ie yourself, who - I think - has witnessed the s*** crowds and level of rebellion and apathy that existed before 1992 and hasn't surfaced in all this time until now. If I am wrong about your age, then your reply doesn't surprise me. The comment above by cp40 is spot on by the way, as was my earlier post along the same lines. The crowds will continue to go down if we keep losing, so what will you think is the reason for that ? Keegan was still in charge when we played Bolton and we only got 47, 711 in compared to the 52,179 against Reading (I chose that game, third last home game of the season because the last two were Sunderland and Chelsea where we are almost guaranteed to sell out seats). So where were the 4468 other people? We were two games into the season, and had just got a brilliant draw against Manure. Reading's away following is as crap as Bolton's so that is not the reason. So where were they, or do they all share NE5's crystal ball, which only ever seems to show doom, gloom and depression in it? my next post after this one expands on it a bit more. A lot of people posted nowt but gloom and depression about the old board when they were at least trying to punch the clubs weight, complaining about how anybody else would do better than the fat b****** who was dragging it all down. Ironic or what. If I now post doom and gloom, then its because the situation is very much one of doom and gloom, as it has been ever since it became obvios Ashley wasn't going to show ambition as owner of the club to be successful like even the Halls and Shepherd were. Which was in my opinion about 13 months ago, when I started saying it. Sorry if being all doom and gloom was telling it how it is, but there you go. Its all now doom and gloom. The sooner he buggers off and we [hopefully] get somoeone in who shows ambition for the club, then it will continue to be doom and gloom. Unless you are happy with simply premiership survival, in which case the european qualifications of the last 15 years will end up being a truly great and forgotten memory of a brief period where we sat at the top table with the other top clubs. I hope everybody enjoyed it while it lasted. nearly there. what you do is be honest. when i thought fred couldn't turn it round i wanted him to go but didn't want him forced out in the way the fans turned on ashley (mindlessly imo) as we could easyily have been left in the position we are now in of a board who wants out and no-one seeming to come in which wouldn't benefit the club at all (see ne5 i didn't want rid off fred at any cost). when they do well say they do well, when they do poorly say it aswell. but at least make it a level playing field. completely wrong. I said on many occasions I would be quite happy to see them replaced by better directors. What I also stressed - was that this would in fact be very difficult, and those who just wanted him out for anybody [the vast majority and don't say differently because this is true] were being very naive, in fact massively naive if they thought that replacing a board who ran a club that only 4 clubs did better than, would be anything else. Now we have had an owner who has chosen not to back his managers instead of the Halls and Shepherd who knew this was essential they still don't see the point, and most sadly of all a few of the older people who should know this, either dont' see it because they are idiots or are haven't got the balls to admit that the Halls and Shepherd were the best board that has run this club in 50 years. a) how do you know they wouldn't have backed keegan but disagreed over the players he wanted ? (a bit like fred selling speed and robson nknowing nowt about it) b) giving a poor manager more money to spend is a recipe for disaster. ie backing their manager is not the be all as yo make out.

no, I don't. I think if Keegan was still manager, or/and if the team was winning games and doing better, the crowds would be better. I find this an amazing comment from someone ie yourself, who - I think - has witnessed the s*** crowds and level of rebellion and apathy that existed before 1992 and hasn't surfaced in all this time until now. If I am wrong about your age, then your reply doesn't surprise me. The comment above by cp40 is spot on by the way, as was my earlier post along the same lines. The crowds will continue to go down if we keep losing, so what will you think is the reason for that ? Keegan was still in charge when we played Bolton and we only got 47, 711 in compared to the 52,179 against Reading (I chose that game, third last home game of the season because the last two were Sunderland and Chelsea where we are almost guaranteed to sell out seats). So where were the 4468 other people? We were two games into the season, and had just got a brilliant draw against Manure. Reading's away following is as crap as Bolton's so that is not the reason. So where were they, or do they all share NE5's crystal ball, which only ever seems to show doom, gloom and depression in it? my next post after this one expands on it a bit more. A lot of people posted nowt but gloom and depression about the old board when they were at least trying to punch the clubs weight, complaining about how anybody else would do better than the fat b****** who was dragging it all down. Ironic or what. If I now post doom and gloom, then its because the situation is very much one of doom and gloom, as it has been ever since it became obvios Ashley wasn't going to show ambition as owner of the club to be successful like even the Halls and Shepherd were. Which was in my opinion about 13 months ago, when I started saying it. Sorry if being all doom and gloom was telling it how it is, but there you go. Its all now doom and gloom. The sooner he buggers off and we [hopefully] get somoeone in who shows ambition for the club, then it will continue to be doom and gloom. Unless you are happy with simply premiership survival, in which case the european qualifications of the last 15 years will end up being a truly great and forgotten memory of a brief period where we sat at the top table with the other top clubs. I hope everybody enjoyed it while it lasted. nearly there. what you do is be honest. when i thought fred couldn't turn it round i wanted him to go but didn't want him forced out in the way the fans turned on ashley (mindlessly imo) as we could easyily have been left in the position we are now in of a board who wants out and no-one seeming to come in which wouldn't benefit the club at all (see ne5 i didn't want rid off fred at any cost). when they do well say they do well, when they do poorly say it aswell. but at least make it a level playing field.

last season he was defensivly very good and i hoped his confidence and a bit more experience would really push him on this year.....not as yet though! looks like he wants to be away to be honest.

shurely it's walford and dot cotton ?

the crowd against Bolton was more indicative of the fact that people were not so happy with soopa mike as what it appears to be in comparison to a few hundred people who post on a message board. I have no doubt whatsoever that if we were now in among the top clubs, or looking like we were going there, the entire allocation of NUFC seats would be sold out virtually every home game. Ashley has not shown the ambition to cultivate that. That is why they are now going down, and they will continue to go down until supporters see grounds for new optimism. My reference to your age was because I thought initially you were maybe a longer term supporter, but as is already obvious, that guarantees nothing anyway in the knowledge/denial stakes, and you could also be telling porkies even if you said you were. Not that I'm bothered either way. i agree

and yet ironically,out of my mates who still go. at least half only renewed because fred left.

Agreed on the above, I would have taken Duff and Shola off. I know Shola had the shot that set up Owen but I think we would have got more without those two. i'd have took enrique off and went to 3 at the back. we were a goal down against 10 men. saying that i'd have strated owen instead of shola.

enriques positioning was poor and his distribution was shocking. looked like he was going throught the motions.

Couldn't agree more. Not only that, they compressed their defensive shape and we needed more movement upfront in the final 1/3. Ameobi should've made way for Owen immediately. owen should've been on from the start. failing that,at half time given that we were chasing the game.

unfortunatly he is because the others wont take any reponsibility and make a move forward

Forget the scapegoat bollocks, he looks on edge & out of his depth but the lad is still the by a mile the best player to play left back for the club atm. Jonas & Duff dont help either full back that much. Duff goes inside & then goes missing. While Jonas just f***s off to any flank he feels like not bothering to wait till Duff is ready to shift flanks, which means a full back is exposed 2 against 1 at times. Prime example of Duff going missing was in the first half when Martins had the ball and he ran inside, forcing Martins to turn into trouble. Jonas will run all day and can beat his man, but he always looks like he is willing to topple after initial contact. Another thing I will mention is that Enrique looks to play a killer ball or incisive ball, but you see so many player playing the pedestrian ball so they don't make the mistake. I think because not everyone of Enriques passes comes off (his switching of the play in the second half which just went out) it looks worse. Whereas 9/10 of Duff's or Butt's sideways balls will reach his man. then again martins didn't help (or the tactics he was given) by playing between the two centre halves instead of off them and the full backs.

I would counter that with Fulham and today where he has been incapable of passing the ball sucessfully to a teammate. confidence more than owt else. more worrying is his poor defending (his strong point last season)

some have been saying it's been one of our failings for since robson left.

i'd give him a new contract,insure him for as much as we can...............................then give joey a birthday cigar

If they're in additional payments, I'm all for it. For example, £2m initial transfer fee, and then if he's good enough, £1m when he plays a certain number of matches, £1m after so many goals/assists, £2m if he earns an England cup, sell-on clauses, etc. But £5m for a kid who might turn out to be sh*te and not fulfill his potential is a joke. thats the risk...thats the idea behind a transfer market..winners and losers and all that. there should be a set age beyond which is all fair game ie beyond 16 all professional players are the same and open to the biases etc of the market

me also

what makes you think he has to have the wages he is on here ? i'd be pretty sure he'd take a considerable cut to go to a top 4 club.

unless drogba knew who threw it and was so super confident of his aim that he could pick him out with the coin then they are equally as bad as each other.

would you rather it was ?

given beye coloccini bassong enrique jonas butt barton duff owen martins

Er no, one specific fan threw the coin and he threw it at random into the group - probably hitting an innocent person. Completely unacceptable (as is the fan obviously). it is,but lets not compare it in any way to bartons actions.