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me neither. they'll go 4-5-1 and be up for it. smother the midfiled and play off jones for the break. an early goal for us could break their gameplan.

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle. Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me. Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club. He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly! so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ? Errrrrr what now? well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place. pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here? My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light. Until then i stand by my post. I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career. Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times. He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion. At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem. well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying). Im not gonna try and shove this thing down anyones throats but i think all our players have had shitty times in the past 5 years, would you clasify the last 5 years as fan as anything but shitty? Well why should it be different for a player? Becasue he's gettin paid? That to me is such simplistic bollocks and a complete cop out of an explanation. I just see a young lad who's not had his talent handled well and been messed around a bit, who's had at least one big issue effecting his mind state, at a really young age in a different country. I guess im the only person here who couldnt perform my job well and be happy under those circumstances. there you have it exactly.......they've all had it shitty (and being totally honest they've contributed to it a bit aswell) but it would seem only one isn't prepared to knuckle down now at a time when he could be blowing his biggest chance. i could almost understand the loss of form due to external matters but not the attitude. you see someone wrought with anxiety about things he can't control. i see someone who thinks he's made it and can dictate to the club. What so you are saying he has had a shitty time now? Changed ya tune a little. That was my whole point, he's had a crap experinece at a young age with things other players havent had to deal with, like losing your father his position in the squad to lesser players and losing his subsequent father figure. Again it comes down to his reasoning for not knuckling down (although it appears he is now according to some Keegan quotes) he's only 1 of 3-4 players (?) from the SBR era, the rest have left. He's stuck it out and maybe the sacking of Allardyce and the lack of involvment again are the last straw.... Its all im sayin. EDIT: Also i see someone who has had a torrid time at Newcastle and ismaking it clear that he wants out. Im not making excuses for his attitude, i never did but i said i sypathizes with his situation becasue maybe he's had the final straw. apart from his dad dying he's had the same time as the rest. why is his reaction sooooo different ? you know the way i meant it. i could see the n'zogbia of 2 years ago fitting in very well on the left of a middle 3.

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle. Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me. Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club. He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly! so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ? Errrrrr what now? well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place. pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here? My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light. Until then i stand by my post. I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career. Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times. He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion. At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem. well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying). Im not gonna try and shove this thing down anyones throats but i think all our players have had shitty times in the past 5 years, would you clasify the last 5 years as fan as anything but shitty? Well why should it be different for a player? Becasue he's gettin paid? That to me is such simplistic bollocks and a complete cop out of an explanation. I just see a young lad who's not had his talent handled well and been messed around a bit, who's had at least one big issue effecting his mind state, at a really young age in a different country. I guess im the only person here who couldnt perform my job well and be happy under those circumstances. there you have it exactly.......they've all had it shitty (and being totally honest they've contributed to it a bit aswell) but it would seem only one isn't prepared to knuckle down now at a time when he could be blowing his biggest chance. i could almost understand the loss of form due to external matters but not the attitude. you see someone wrought with anxiety about things he can't control. i see someone who thinks he's made it and can dictate to the club.

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle. Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me. Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club. He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly! so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ? Errrrrr what now? well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place. pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here? My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light. Until then i stand by my post. I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career. Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times. He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion. At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem. well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying).

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle. Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me. Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club. He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly! so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ? Errrrrr what now? well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place. pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high

couldn't be jewish and support sunderland as everyone you have to be a complete prick for that. (can't believe it took 35 replies for that to be used)

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle. Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me. Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club. He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly! so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

We lost the first Derby game. think he means allardyce said a draw would be a good result which he did. i thought he was just saying it to stop everyone getting over confident.....after 15mins i realised that is what he set the team out to do.

more jenas i think.

rowell hat trick, connelly for us, don't think entwhistle got the other (off the top of my head-so he probably did) Rowell hatrick the other by Entwhistle?

i hope never to have a derby day like my very first. 1-4

Hadaway and s**** man. He's had it cushy here. Anyhoo... The way I see it, we're not missing him and he's never been an integral player for us anyway, so he can piss off if that's what he wants. He'll not find a bigger club to play for, a better manager to play under and he'll not find a club as generous as ours where wages are concerned. Really? Think theres absolutley nothing in the Gunners rumour. Also he's had it shitty here. No question. Cant think of another 21 year old in the premiership who's had it worse. in what way has he had it shitty ? being played out of position (like many others)?. being acclaimed as the best at the club even when very poor ? Signed as a 17 years old under SBR, has to give up his fledgling international career because of the move, his father dies, and his role model and subsequent father figure gets sold (albeit for being crap) after a nighmare season under Souness. Having been instrumental to the club revival under Roeder, Roeder signs a senior player on the way down who is poorer than him and still gets played in front of him, 4th manager, things starting to look up, but he's played out of position despite his obvious prefernce and strength at LW, now he's with his 5th manager who is playing in a formation of which he has no part. I cant imagine howfrustrating it is to have had all those things happen to you and still not had the oppurtunity on a consistent basis to prove your talent like he's desperate to do. But you're all right anyway, he;s getting paid to have a stop start career. Good luck to him..... forgetting he was awful last year(duff was awful but better wide left than n'zogbia and both were a lot worse than milner in that position),happy to play leftback for his country. good player,overrated by some,massivly overrated by some more. You're right he was poor last year, but i can only think of 2-3 players who came out of last season with any shred of 'integrity'. The point im trying to make, is not that "he's fuking amazing like" but that he's had it pretty poor at Newcaslte, unlike other 21 years old in the prem. Like ive said, i cant think of many other 21 years olds who had it worse. I happen to think he;d be a player who would thrive in a team that is playing cohesively, only a few seasons ago he wa the best player we had, now he's overrated and s*** despite all the circumstances ivementioned. I think thats unfair. Maybe im wrong. he left france as we were his best option his dad died...nothing we could have done about it boumsong left.....good ! 5 managers.....3 poor ones that would have done no good for anyone and he thrown paddys at at least 2. he may have had it less "shitty" if his form hadn't been as bad as his attitude.

Hadaway and s**** man. He's had it cushy here. Anyhoo... The way I see it, we're not missing him and he's never been an integral player for us anyway, so he can piss off if that's what he wants. He'll not find a bigger club to play for, a better manager to play under and he'll not find a club as generous as ours where wages are concerned. Really? Think theres absolutley nothing in the Gunners rumour. Also he's had it shitty here. No question. Cant think of another 21 year old in the premiership who's had it worse. in what way has he had it shitty ? being played out of position (like many others)?. being acclaimed as the best at the club even when very poor ? Signed as a 17 years old under SBR, has to give up his fledgling international career because of the move, his father dies, and his role model and subsequent father figure gets sold (albeit for being crap) after a nighmare season under Souness. Having been instrumental to the club revival under Roeder, Roeder signs a senior player on the way down who is poorer than him and still gets played in front of him, 4th manager, things starting to look up, but he's played out of position despite his obvious prefernce and strength at LW, now he's with his 5th manager who is playing in a formation of which he has no part. I cant imagine howfrustrating it is to have had all those things happen to you and still not had the oppurtunity on a consistent basis to prove your talent like he's desperate to do. But you're all right anyway, he;s getting paid to have a stop start career. Good luck to him..... forgetting he was awful last year(duff was awful but better wide left than n'zogbia and both were a lot worse than milner in that position),happy to play leftback for his country. good player,overrated by some,massivly overrated by some more.

wont find out about my lieu day till wednesday, then i need to get monday off aswell

Hadaway and s**** man. He's had it cushy here. Anyhoo... The way I see it, we're not missing him and he's never been an integral player for us anyway, so he can piss off if that's what he wants. He'll not find a bigger club to play for, a better manager to play under and he'll not find a club as generous as ours where wages are concerned. Really? Think theres absolutley nothing in the Gunners rumour. Also he's had it shitty here. No question. Cant think of another 21 year old in the premiership who's had it worse. in what way has he had it shitty ? being played out of position (like many others)?. being acclaimed as the best at the club even when very poor ?

but in years to come that will be the final question on who wants to be a billionaire (years to come...inflation and all that) and i'll smile slyly at the camera, a knowing wink to all NUFC fans and say "listen chris, don't even read me my options, i'm well aware of the answer and it was all down to that cunt allardyce. the answer is newcastle united and for your information they should have won at SJP aswell"

aye 4-4-2 with proper wingers aiming for a forwards head. that's going bacKwards IMO.

I don't know why we didn't try a couple of short corners instead of continually knocking it into the box against a side that had a huge height advantage. probably why geremi insisted on playing flat corners to the near post all evening.

perhaps wenger mightened see him as a winger

When there were standing areas it was far better. The first Keegan years so far as the excitement and expectation were in a class of their own. But generally, every stadium in the premiership would be better off if they had standing areas behind the goals. With controlled admission, ticket only etc etc if needed. No problems with that aspect. We know that the Heysel stadium, and Hillsborough should never happen again but in my opinion the legislation went a bit too far and its time to relax it. agree about the standing bit being brought back but disagree about the atmosphere to some extent. the noise wasn't as loud due to roof coverage etc. if you sat in the old stand the gallowgate didn't sound all that loud but if you were in the gallowgate the atmosphere could be electric.

nufc have been run along business lines since ashleys takeover. theres as much an argument that all bar chelsea are being run not as playthings but legitimate financial concerns with a view to making a profit at the end of it all.

Isn't that going to lead to the Stan Cummins situation? Or doesn't that exist now? I mean offer them less money and they leave on a free. Know it's an old case but not sure if it still applies. back then players could only leave on afree under those circumstances when there contract had expired. the way it was when the contract had ran out,if they'd been offered an improved contract a transfer fee was still needed even when the contract had finished.

Fortunately the insanity levels have already peaked. It's early this year. unfortunatly i think this is nowhere near the peak.

i'd rather have the blue cockneys and say to them "there you go we gave you it" as danqua,godsmark,zamblera et al done the season ending lap and saying to ferguson "don't whinge matey,it was ok for you to play half a team against bolton and endangering teams at the bottom so how d'you like it when others do it?"

what is a high brow transfer rumour ?