madras

The key to a solid defence is consistency but our defence has been chopped and changed so much by Sam that the players haven’t had a chance to develop any kind of understanding, and if it continues they never will. We have played with 10 different defensive line-ups this season. On the whole, the changes haven’t been forced upon Sam by injury or suspension. They have often been made to accommodate midfielders in the side; which sort of rubbishes the idea that his priority is stability at the back. I agree that a solid defence should be the first priority. Sam may say it is his but he is making absolutely no progress towards it and seems to have no clue of how to achieve it. We will continue to leak goals as he continues to swap the defence around and that doesn’t show any signs of stopping. it's not the defence,it's the defending throughout the team. i am absolutly fucking sick of having to point that out.

not a "couple"of results and as many on here are pointing out is has been the performances through tactics and formations throughout the season that have us in this position.

Which one was it? I've been a Newcastle fan all of my life and i've never been as embarrassed as I was after the Liverpool match. It wasn't the performance, but the fans who acted so childshly. We've been spoilt by the relative success of the Keegan and Robson era's which has vastly inflated expectations. We need to understand that our performances over the past few seasons haven't been down to bad luck, but bad players and bad management. We're not a top six or even a top eight club and haven't been for a while now. The blame doesn't lie at the feet of Allardyce, Mort or Ashley but the likes of Souness, Shepherd and Douglas Hall. Give Big Sam time and he'll get it right. do you think allardyce could have got better performances out of his squad quite easily in most of our games this season ? I think the answer is no, but then I don't really understand the question. i'll rephrase it.....do you think the performances and results would have been better if allardyce had played a balanced team,not played players continually out of position,setting out teams for 0-0's at the leagues weakest teams,not seeing when tactics aren't working in certain games,sending out teams with the sole intention of stopping the opposition and no plan for when they are breached ? Yes, I do. I can't defend his tactics or team selections because they have baffled me occasionally but we can't advocate sacking him after 14 games, especially when he's barely had a chance to start building his own team. It's a long process that wont improve if we hoy our toys out of the pram and sack the manager every single f****** time they do something we don't agree with. If we do then this board will be full of more posts saying "Wrong man, sack him" whenever the new fella picks Smith over Owen, Duff over N'Zogbia etc. not normally,however,and this is the question,is ashley going to bankroll the club to acheive his aim of champs league football and prem title within 5 years ? if so, he should get the man HE wants. as for hoying the toys out etc on every occasion he does something we disagree with...the problem is that he is doing it every single time (at least more often than not). i'm not one for wanting the manager sacked, something i have stopped short of (just!). i understood souness and roeders injury problems for chrisakes,but performances like those so far this season,for the rest of the year will leave his position untenable.

Which one was it? I've been a Newcastle fan all of my life and i've never been as embarrassed as I was after the Liverpool match. It wasn't the performance, but the fans who acted so childshly. We've been spoilt by the relative success of the Keegan and Robson era's which has vastly inflated expectations. We need to understand that our performances over the past few seasons haven't been down to bad luck, but bad players and bad management. We're not a top six or even a top eight club and haven't been for a while now. The blame doesn't lie at the feet of Allardyce, Mort or Ashley but the likes of Souness, Shepherd and Douglas Hall. Give Big Sam time and he'll get it right. do you think allardyce could have got better performances out of his squad quite easily in most of our games this season ? I think the answer is no, but then I don't really understand the question. i'll rephrase it.....do you think the performances and results would have been better if allardyce had played a balanced team,not played players continually out of position,setting out teams for 0-0's at the leagues weakest teams,not seeing when tactics aren't working in certain games,sending out teams with the sole intention of stopping the opposition and no plan for when they are breached ?

Which one was it? I've been a Newcastle fan all of my life and i've never been as embarrassed as I was after the Liverpool match. It wasn't the performance, but the fans who acted so childshly. We've been spoilt by the relative success of the Keegan and Robson era's which has vastly inflated expectations. We need to understand that our performances over the past few seasons haven't been down to bad luck, but bad players and bad management. We're not a top six or even a top eight club and haven't been for a while now. The blame doesn't lie at the feet of Allardyce, Mort or Ashley but the likes of Souness, Shepherd and Douglas Hall. Give Big Sam time and he'll get it right. do you think allardyce could have got better performances out of his squad quite easily in most of our games this season ?

and you know it's all true because ? kaka out,tabloid believer. madras out! prima donna sucker upper! have you seen donna though ? wahey hubba hubba :sex:

anyone remember alan kennedy,irving nattrass and paul cannell ?

and you know it's all true because ? kaka out,tabloid believer.

a0 maybe they did but it never made the press. b) under the previous two it was usually more a case of trying to find 16 fit players out of a poor,ill balanced squad rather than poor tactics.

shut down the message board and just leave that in its place,says everything.

he got a tackle in and it was unlucky where it went. had he slide tackled he'd run a greater risk of given away a free kick.if he'd slid and the ball ended up going to the same place he'd get slaughtered for not staying on his feet.

be honest. the booing has only been at half time/full time when getting beat and playing appallingly. that would happen everywhere.

that could be the problem. the argument was alaways what allardyce would be like at a bigger club. at bolton did he get to the 4-3-3 as just the best use of what he had or was it a concerted plan ? the better managers go with the former,his days are numbered if the latter.

wrong to compare allardyce to hitler.....keegan is a closer analogy, started amazingly well but it blew up right at the end.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article2994786.ece the players may find themselves on the receiving end of some flak IF this is true. get together and confront the manager over 3 days away from the family at christmas but say sod all about the abysmal formations and tactics.

the closest for nufc/safc style hatred that i know of is cardiff/swansea.

am i the only one who finds it amazing the ammount of people who come on here needing 1 result to complete a multiple hundred pound accumulator ?.must be luck as most who nominate all there bets before hand seem to get fucked over.

can we quantify "bigger" ? is it biggest as in biggest clubs or nastiest, best atmosphere,most at stake,most vicious or what ?

then again, you're pissed and someone sets ahad to your shirt......i've seen it happen before.

he reckons the cigar in the eye incident wasn't as reported. the youth team player set alight to his shirt so he nicked a cigar off someone with the intention of stubbing it out on the back of his head but the youth team player moved. on saying about his shirt being set alight he says " i was brought up on a council estate and thats fighting talk where i come from"

no joking...the likes of darlo-hartlepool can be quite tasty. cardiff-swansea is very violent and blackburn-burnley-bolton may sound like it's a knockout but aint for the faint hearted

the biggest derby is the one to which you owe allegiance

allardyces team to face arsenal. wheetman auchterlonie rutherford williamson fenwick percival crawford pollard forster thompson wharton. so it's simonside middle school's under 11 newburn league and cup winning side fron 1977-78............would it surprise anyone ?.

decky prefers virgins ?

depends how much (if any) ashley is prepared to put in. he could tempt prctically who he wanted if he was to guarantee them a £200million transfer kitty for example. saying you have to generate your own funds may find it more difficuilt to tempt a name. Everyone has a billionaire owner these days though. And it is very unlikely that Ashley is going to triple the budget of the top 4. You can't reasonably expect him to wager a good chunk of his fortune on new signings. So let's assume a substantial budget, but in line with spending of other top 7 clubs. I'm just curious what names people have in mind. Are we talking Mark Hughes? Jol? Mourinho? Capello? Because trying to look at this objectively, Newcastle would have to be one of the least attractive jobs in the Premiership for a top manager. What incentive is there? Big salary - fine, but you can get that anywhere in Europe. Transfer budget - higher than most rivals, but they also have billionaire owners, and why would top players sign for a mid-table club? Any manager would know that there is no chance of long term success, and that they would have to produce short term results with the squad they have and as soon as they arrive. Would they move their family knowing that they are statistically very likely to be out of a job in 12 months time? Newcastle United manager is a tough job at the moment; sack Sam, and it becomes the dead end of football management. Anyone qualified and competent wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Why would they? thats the whole point, so everyone has a billionaire owner but liverpool are regining in the spending and lerner hasn't splashed chelseas style cash about. if ashley is planning on putting up serious cash he can attract very good quality. oh an what incentive is there ? to create something like keegan did and how is he thought of. to turn a huge club into a winning one.....to succeed where everyone else has failed. if a manager has self faith NUFC with the backing should be close to thetop of the list in england given that ferguson or wenger look unlike moving.