madras

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Fawning over this cretin doesn't become you either, Madras. I don't expect anything sensible from mandiarse but I really thought you had more sense, tbh. how am i fawing over him by recognising the s*** position we were in when he took over. ashley didn't help a great deal, his handling of kinnear etc was the biggestsingle mistake he made that caused our relegation from his side but i also think had he not took over allardyce would have took us down and we'd have been in even bigger s****. how would Allardyce have relegated us ? it's my opinion that we were playing that bad, the players looked demoralised under his brand of football that had he not gone we'd have gone down and he'd been able to bring his own players in to do it. like Blackburn and Bolton ? no like us the way we were playing for the majority of that season with him. which was the same as Bolton and Blackburn ? nope it wasn't. at those clubs he brought in players to play to that system. here he brought in smith and barton to play alongside the already here owen and martins......it wasn't going to work. our players looked like they couldn't stand the system and played like it. so he has a good history of keeping teams in the premiership but you think he would have taken us down ? yes with the team he had and the way they were playing. i dont really care what he done elsewhere. i'll use what i saw of his time here as my prime evidence. he has a record of keeping teams in the premiership on a shoestring so your opinion is just that, an opinion with no basis. Anyway, his successor(s) at both managerial level and ownership succeeded in taking us down regardless. my opinion is, unfortunatly, based on what i was watching week in, week out, which to me counts for more than what he has done before or since. so is mine, and his managerial record, rather than Mike Ashley's ownership record. One club. One relegation. i posted where i saw the club going under fred and co on a previous page and also where i blamed ashley. go take a look as it's not as clear cut as it seems. no, it isn't clear cut. So far he has taken us down, you can't say he is steering us in the right direction when we aren't even in the position he found us in yet. In fact, the current first team players at the club are inferior to the ones who were at the club when he bought it. and where did i say he was steering us in the right direction ? what i do say is i'd rather be in this position than the one i envisaged of relegation with fred at the helm and the banks etc shitting themselves we can't service our debt.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Fawning over this cretin doesn't become you either, Madras. I don't expect anything sensible from mandiarse but I really thought you had more sense, tbh. how am i fawing over him by recognising the s*** position we were in when he took over. ashley didn't help a great deal, his handling of kinnear etc was the biggestsingle mistake he made that caused our relegation from his side but i also think had he not took over allardyce would have took us down and we'd have been in even bigger s****. how would Allardyce have relegated us ? it's my opinion that we were playing that bad, the players looked demoralised under his brand of football that had he not gone we'd have gone down and he'd been able to bring his own players in to do it. like Blackburn and Bolton ? no like us the way we were playing for the majority of that season with him. which was the same as Bolton and Blackburn ? nope it wasn't. at those clubs he brought in players to play to that system. here he brought in smith and barton to play alongside the already here owen and martins......it wasn't going to work. our players looked like they couldn't stand the system and played like it. so he has a good history of keeping teams in the premiership but you think he would have taken us down ? yes with the team he had and the way they were playing. i dont really care what he done elsewhere. i'll use what i saw of his time here as my prime evidence. he has a record of keeping teams in the premiership on a shoestring so your opinion is just that, an opinion with no basis. Anyway, his successor(s) at both managerial level and ownership succeeded in taking us down regardless. my opinion is, unfortunatly, based on what i was watching week in, week out, which to me counts for more than what he has done before or since. so is mine, and his managerial record, rather than Mike Ashley's ownership record. One club. One relegation. i posted where i saw the club going under fred and co on a previous page and also where i blamed ashley. go take a look as it's not as clear cut as it seems.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Fawning over this cretin doesn't become you either, Madras. I don't expect anything sensible from mandiarse but I really thought you had more sense, tbh. how am i fawing over him by recognising the s*** position we were in when he took over. ashley didn't help a great deal, his handling of kinnear etc was the biggestsingle mistake he made that caused our relegation from his side but i also think had he not took over allardyce would have took us down and we'd have been in even bigger s****. how would Allardyce have relegated us ? it's my opinion that we were playing that bad, the players looked demoralised under his brand of football that had he not gone we'd have gone down and he'd been able to bring his own players in to do it. like Blackburn and Bolton ? no like us the way we were playing for the majority of that season with him. which was the same as Bolton and Blackburn ? nope it wasn't. at those clubs he brought in players to play to that system. here he brought in smith and barton to play alongside the already here owen and martins......it wasn't going to work. our players looked like they couldn't stand the system and played like it. so he has a good history of keeping teams in the premiership but you think he would have taken us down ? yes with the team he had and the way they were playing. i dont really care what he done elsewhere. i'll use what i saw of his time here as my prime evidence. he has a record of keeping teams in the premiership on a shoestring so your opinion is just that, an opinion with no basis. Anyway, his successor(s) at both managerial level and ownership succeeded in taking us down regardless. my opinion is, unfortunatly, based on what i was watching week in, week out, which to me counts for more than what he has done before or since.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Fawning over this cretin doesn't become you either, Madras. I don't expect anything sensible from mandiarse but I really thought you had more sense, tbh. how am i fawing over him by recognising the s*** position we were in when he took over. ashley didn't help a great deal, his handling of kinnear etc was the biggestsingle mistake he made that caused our relegation from his side but i also think had he not took over allardyce would have took us down and we'd have been in even bigger s****. how would Allardyce have relegated us ? it's my opinion that we were playing that bad, the players looked demoralised under his brand of football that had he not gone we'd have gone down and he'd been able to bring his own players in to do it. like Blackburn and Bolton ? no like us the way we were playing for the majority of that season with him. which was the same as Bolton and Blackburn ? nope it wasn't. at those clubs he brought in players to play to that system. here he brought in smith and barton to play alongside the already here owen and martins......it wasn't going to work. our players looked like they couldn't stand the system and played like it. so he has a good history of keeping teams in the premiership but you think he would have taken us down ? yes with the team he had and the way they were playing. i dont really care what he done elsewhere. i'll use what i saw of his time here as my prime evidence.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Fawning over this cretin doesn't become you either, Madras. I don't expect anything sensible from mandiarse but I really thought you had more sense, tbh. how am i fawing over him by recognising the s*** position we were in when he took over. ashley didn't help a great deal, his handling of kinnear etc was the biggestsingle mistake he made that caused our relegation from his side but i also think had he not took over allardyce would have took us down and we'd have been in even bigger s****. how would Allardyce have relegated us ? it's my opinion that we were playing that bad, the players looked demoralised under his brand of football that had he not gone we'd have gone down and he'd been able to bring his own players in to do it. like Blackburn and Bolton ? no like us the way we were playing for the majority of that season with him. which was the same as Bolton and Blackburn ? nope it wasn't. at those clubs he brought in players to play to that system. here he brought in smith and barton to play alongside the already here owen and martins......it wasn't going to work. our players looked like they couldn't stand the system and played like it.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Fawning over this cretin doesn't become you either, Madras. I don't expect anything sensible from mandiarse but I really thought you had more sense, tbh. how am i fawing over him by recognising the s*** position we were in when he took over. ashley didn't help a great deal, his handling of kinnear etc was the biggestsingle mistake he made that caused our relegation from his side but i also think had he not took over allardyce would have took us down and we'd have been in even bigger s****. how would Allardyce have relegated us ? it's my opinion that we were playing that bad, the players looked demoralised under his brand of football that had he not gone we'd have gone down and he'd been able to bring his own players in to do it. like Blackburn and Bolton ? no like us the way we were playing for the majority of that season with him.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Fawning over this cretin doesn't become you either, Madras. I don't expect anything sensible from mandiarse but I really thought you had more sense, tbh. how am i fawing over him by recognising the s*** position we were in when he took over. ashley didn't help a great deal, his handling of kinnear etc was the biggestsingle mistake he made that caused our relegation from his side but i also think had he not took over allardyce would have took us down and we'd have been in even bigger s****. how would Allardyce have relegated us ? it's my opinion that we were playing that bad, the players looked demoralised under his brand of football that had he not gone we'd have gone down and he'd been able to bring his own players in to do it.

Nope. I've been busy and so was away from the forum for quite awhile, imagine my surprise at your "almost mandiarse like" position when I was able to return? through other interests i had reason to start looking balance sheets etc (ie the wife got a full time job so we had a position of having a bit cash spare and i was looking at investing a small but regular sum or paying off debts). after looking at the clubs accounts they looked bad, after asking those with accountancy etc qualifications they confirmed it. till then i hadn't really gave a toss providing the chairman provided funds for the manager.

thats the question that everyone was asking when mort was trying to raise the cash and why i stated 'if' in my earlier post. even then 80mill for a championship club probably running at a loss is still way over the odds right now.

the french leagues official site has it on saturday so bewares.

just out of curiosity what happens if, after his last chance, he gets convicted ?

Tank top, Oxford bags, DM's ? i'm sure my mam will still have my parka.

when is lyon v grenoble.....sky bet,bet365,betfair and ladbrokes have it at 7pm on friday. soccerway,livescore and lyon and grenobles official sites have it on saturday afternoon ?

because caroll is in the team and in form.

he's checking you know.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Fawning over this cretin doesn't become you either, Madras. I don't expect anything sensible from mandiarse but I really thought you had more sense, tbh. how am i fawing over him by recognising the s*** position we were in when he took over. ashley didn't help a great deal, his handling of kinnear etc was the biggestsingle mistake he made that caused our relegation from his side but i also think had he not took over allardyce would have took us down and we'd have been in even bigger s****. If that's your opinion, fair enough. Just stop telling me how good a job Ashley is doing because he's doing s****. it's a deal...........on one condition. you stop telling me how good fred and co had been doing in their last few years....cos they were doing s*** while lining their pockets. That's easily done, as I hadn't been doing it anyway. and i don't believe i'd been saying how good a job ashley had been doing.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Fawning over this cretin doesn't become you either, Madras. I don't expect anything sensible from mandiarse but I really thought you had more sense, tbh. how am i fawing over him by recognising the s*** position we were in when he took over. ashley didn't help a great deal, his handling of kinnear etc was the biggestsingle mistake he made that caused our relegation from his side but i also think had he not took over allardyce would have took us down and we'd have been in even bigger s****. If that's your opinion, fair enough. Just stop telling me how good a job Ashley is doing because he's doing s****. it's a deal...........on one condition. you stop telling me how good fred and co had been doing in their last few years....cos they were doing shit while lining their pockets.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Fawning over this cretin doesn't become you either, Madras. I don't expect anything sensible from mandiarse but I really thought you had more sense, tbh. how am i fawing over him by recognising the shit position we were in when he took over. ashley didn't help a great deal, his handling of kinnear etc was the biggestsingle mistake he made that caused our relegation from his side but i also think had he not took over allardyce would have took us down and we'd have been in even bigger shite.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc)

...because Coloccini has done more this season, is the simple answer. Did or didn't Taylor play very well this season up until his knee injury? Williamson has looked better than Taylor alongside Colo in my John Humble. That said I've always been a bit of a Taylor sceptic. He seems very good at talking the talk but as a centre back I do believe he's guilty of always looking for the Hollywood tackle. Probably something that a lot of supporters don't want to admit but true nonetheless. Doesn't mean that Taylor has done badly, just brings a bit of perspective to the debate. we are a different set up at home since dropping the smith or butt idea. that may be part of it.

i predict a pic of his house within a page.

Bad enough on it's own, but then to have Smith as a success is priceless. Did you read the comment I put against Smith. What value did he have before this season, Zero, now at least he's a saleable asset. Do I think he's good enough for us for next season ? Absolutely f***ing not. The success story here as my comment said is that we might be able to shift the guy. So you wouldn't say the same about Nolan? i don't even think smith was particularly good at the strart of the season. the press said it all the time, they still do. it was only when a few people squawked about the emperor being in the altogether that he started to be seen for what he was. As long as the perception is that he still has it that's all that matters, when you are trying to shift him. fingers and toes crossed.

anyone else confused ?

Bad enough on it's own, but then to have Smith as a success is priceless. Did you read the comment I put against Smith. What value did he have before this season, Zero, now at least he's a saleable asset. Do I think he's good enough for us for next season ? Absolutely f***ing not. The success story here as my comment said is that we might be able to shift the guy. So you wouldn't say the same about Nolan? i don't even think smith was particularly good at the strart of the season. the press said it all the time, they still do. it was only when a few people squawked about the emperor being in the altogether that he started to be seen for what he was.