Wullie

Ranger deserves his chance a million times over before Best does. Some of the defence he gets is laughable imo (and from people who will happily say that we should give Xisco away). "He had a header saved against Bristol City and nearly scored against relegated Plymouth", fuck me, surprised we're not beating offers away left, right and centre in that case. Nothing against the bloke at all but he's a CCC/League One player. Hadn't even scored for three months when we bought him, never mind after. We bought him as a short term CCC goals guarantee because we desperately needed a striker and he looked like Alan Smith. If Carroll and Lovenkrands hadn't stepped up to the plate and we'd actually had to rely on Best for the goals he was bought for, we might well have missed out on promotion. How anyone can say he's better than Shola is absolutely beyond me. Shola had nearly a 1:1 ratio in the Championship, you could have blindfolded him and he'd still have scored more than Best.

Platini is rumoured to be one of the 2 votes which went to Holland and then moved to Russia once we went out. That's the bit that I still can't rationalize. How did Holland/Belgium get 4 votes in the 1st round and then lost 2 votes in the second round when the competitors were still the same sans England. Why would England's elimination reduce the Holland/Belgium vote in the second round? England's bid team apparently saw getting through the first round as the sticking point but were confident that they would build up votes as they went through the rounds towards a strong finish as the voters for Belgium/Netherlands and Spain/Portugal go for England as their second choice. The two extra votes for BeNe were a blatant tactical vote for the weakest bid in order to eliminate England as early as possible.

Cunt.

I echo Ant's sentiments - if the World Cup bid preference is now for new territories, fair enough, not saying I necessarily agree with it but you can see the logic - but don't then let the likes of us, Spain and the USA run round like blue arsed flies and waste a load of money on a bid that we are essentially excluded from winning. Also doesn't excuse Australia only getting one vote, think that could have been a tremendous WC.

and do you think FIFA would have ignored it.... do you think they didn't think of solutions to it? Come on, they're might be corrupt..... but they know how to organise a world cup better than any of us. (Except Wolly maybe.... sorry, Wullie.) So why did the official FIFA report rate Qatar's technical bid (i.e. can they cope?) as worse than everyone else's? How about if you first bring us the proof that I was having a go at England's bid "at every opportunity" and prove to us, and especially your mate Kaizero, that you weren't totally making things up? Not surprised you ignored it, tbh. Your posts in this thread make it quite clear that you didn't want England to get it but are in favour of Qatar getting it. Why did the official FIFA report rate Qatar's technical bid (i.e. can they cope?) as worse than everyone else's? What a load of utter crap! I wanted England to win the bid……but just because they didn’t win, I’m not going to criticise other nation’s bid. Any country in the running would have done a good job, in my opinion. But I wanted England to win it in particular because I live in England and I wanted to experience the world cup here…… because having experienced euro 96, I knew England would have hosted a great world cup. Fuck off, you’re spouting so much shit, man. Unbelievable. Fair enough then, I retract that bit.

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and do you think FIFA would have ignored it.... do you think they didn't think of solutions to it? Come on, they're might be corrupt..... but they know how to organise a world cup better than any of us. (Except Wolly maybe.... sorry, Wullie.) So why did the official FIFA report rate Qatar's technical bid (i.e. can they cope?) as worse than everyone else's? How about if you first bring us the proof that I was having a go at England's bid "at every opportunity" and prove to us, and especially your mate Kaizero, that you weren't totally making things up? Not surprised you ignored it, tbh. Your posts in this thread make it quite clear that you didn't want England to get it but are in favour of Qatar getting it. Why did the official FIFA report rate Qatar's technical bid (i.e. can they cope?) as worse than everyone else's?

I'm no mate of Kaizero's, not after some of the dud Tippeligaen tips he gave out toward the end of the season.

Makes very bad reading for FIFA when put like that doesn't it? What exactly was the point in any of these reports if they're just going to ignore them and give the prize to the two worst candidates? Panorama should just have put that up on the screen for half an hour. The whole charade is rotten to the core.

and do you think FIFA would have ignored it.... do you think they didn't think of solutions to it? Come on, they're might be corrupt..... but they know how to organise a world cup better than any of us. (Except Wolly maybe.... sorry, Wullie.) So why did the official FIFA report rate Qatar's technical bid (i.e. can they cope?) as worse than everyone else's?

And you basically can't spend any sort of time outside because of the heat. They could block out the sun or something. http://www.3click.tv/mp4//The%20Simpsons/season6/metadata/55579.jpg

And you basically can't spend any sort of time outside because of the heat. Have you got experience of organising big events or something? Because you're certainly pretending like it. I've got experience of being in 40 degree heat, you halfwit.

And you basically can't spend any sort of time outside because of the heat.

Thats how many the BBC send to cover it so it must of been more than that.

My main problem with Qatar isn't even the moral issues, the fact that the place is so small just makes the thing farcical as far as I'm concerned.

There's your problem right there. Half the FIFA members were probably still in the bar when the presentations were on. Might as well have voted by postal vote a week in advance for all the attention that was paid to the actual bids.

Yeah.... that's what some people thought about Japan/Korea. sorry, but i just have to flag up the fact that you're seemingly comparing Qatar, a country that a few years back was one big sand dune, to the ancient cultures of Japan and Korea, with their rich heritages and many, many millions of people, cultural and technological accomplishments, legacies of artistic and scientific brilliance, high levels of human development, well respected civil societies, freedom of the press and so on. who the hell said Japan/Korea had no culture or atmosphere? idiotic in the extreme. qatar is just a few dozen rich royals who probably live in london or paris paying off some corrupt bastards in order to stage an event that they should never have even been considered for. Japan and Korea are some of the most well respected and most well developed countries on the planet. it's kind of like comparing newcastle with sunderland... What’s idiotic is your totally irrelevant and off the point post. Frankly, I couldn’t care less about those factors that you mentioned. Stick to football, thanks. When nessy asks “how any culture and atmosphere is going to be generated in the place” I instantly thought about the atmosphere and the passion in the stadiums. This is what I was certainly referring to. I don’t know how off the pitch events held a thousand miles away is going to spoil your enjoyment of the world cup. f***ing hell…. only few weeks back there was a thread saying politics and religion shouldn’t mix with football. Were you one of those people that agreed with that, by any chance? It shouldn't, but can't see what that's got to do with what he posted. Well, if you had read the thread you would notice posts from him and others referring to Qatar's lack of human rights, blah blah blah. Double standards....end of. So... because their obscene human rights record is based on religious grounds, you think it should be ignored and they should be allowed to get on with it and we should all flock there and agree to hold major world events there? Mohammad wept. No, it is because football shouldn't mix with it. Simple as really. Didn't hear the fuss over USA holding the 94 world cup, BTW. They've absued human rights abroad as well, you know. Just visit Wikileak if you want more information. Maybe you should get a time machine and go back and tell them then, fuck me. I don't think countries who live in the dark ages and are governed by a set of laws dreamed up by a paedophile in a cave should be allowed to host a World Cup. Same as I don't think a country like North Korea should be allowed to hold it, presumably you're all for that, or is it only religion that gets these places off the hook? I'm not in any way saying Qatar should be getting a free card simply because of religion. You're simply twisting my words here. (just like you twisted my words about Qatar being a hot bed of football! ) If a country like Qatar is not entitled to host an event like the World Cup….. then where do we stop? Should we prevent people from going on holiday to Qatar and the Middle East as well, then? Or how about Bskyb for advertising Qatar airways? Or maybe book publishers that print holiday guides of Doha? The fact is, you, probably more than anyone on here, would probably agree that religion and politics shouldn’t mix with football. But here you are being hypocritical as fuck about it, tbh. Fuck off, cat boy. Do you think North Korea or Iran should be able to host the World Cup? In promoting Qatar's bid, by association FIFA are condoning their regime. I don't give a monkey's about religion, countries like that should not be chosen for holding world events until they catch up with the rest of the world and stop treating people like medieval slaves. Whether they do it because Mohammad was a headcase or because Kim Jong Il is a headcase is irrelevant. Feel free to point out where I twisted your words about Qatar being a hotbed of football too. You're barmy. Yeah.. last time I checked Qatar were ruled by Sharia law. As for your last comment..... fuck off ... it's there. The first time you quoted me in this thread. Come back when your views are not contradicting each other. A clear sign of talking utter bullshit, tbh. I know they're ruled by Sharia law. What's your point? My point is that they are nutters, albeit slightly less insane than some of their close neighbours, and the reason why is irrelevant to me. I've said it about five times now and you're still not grasping it. What, when you said that because we thought England's bid should have garnered more than one outside vote that = that we thought "football revolved around England"? But you think Qatar were not only worth more than one vote but worthy winners so surely football must revolve around there even moreso? You're the one making the idiotic point to have a go at England at every opportunity.

Surely it'll mean 9th?

Give over.

Links?

Yeah.... that's what some people thought about Japan/Korea. sorry, but i just have to flag up the fact that you're seemingly comparing Qatar, a country that a few years back was one big sand dune, to the ancient cultures of Japan and Korea, with their rich heritages and many, many millions of people, cultural and technological accomplishments, legacies of artistic and scientific brilliance, high levels of human development, well respected civil societies, freedom of the press and so on. who the hell said Japan/Korea had no culture or atmosphere? idiotic in the extreme. qatar is just a few dozen rich royals who probably live in london or paris paying off some corrupt bastards in order to stage an event that they should never have even been considered for. Japan and Korea are some of the most well respected and most well developed countries on the planet. it's kind of like comparing newcastle with sunderland... What’s idiotic is your totally irrelevant and off the point post. Frankly, I couldn’t care less about those factors that you mentioned. Stick to football, thanks. When nessy asks “how any culture and atmosphere is going to be generated in the place” I instantly thought about the atmosphere and the passion in the stadiums. This is what I was certainly referring to. I don’t know how off the pitch events held a thousand miles away is going to spoil your enjoyment of the world cup. f***ing hell…. only few weeks back there was a thread saying politics and religion shouldn’t mix with football. Were you one of those people that agreed with that, by any chance? It shouldn't, but can't see what that's got to do with what he posted. Well, if you had read the thread you would notice posts from him and others referring to Qatar's lack of human rights, blah blah blah. Double standards....end of. So... because their obscene human rights record is based on religious grounds, you think it should be ignored and they should be allowed to get on with it and we should all flock there and agree to hold major world events there? Mohammad wept. No, it is because football shouldn't mix with it. Simple as really. Didn't hear the fuss over USA holding the 94 world cup, BTW. They've absued human rights abroad as well, you know. Just visit Wikileak if you want more information. Maybe you should get a time machine and go back and tell them then, fuck me. I don't think countries who live in the dark ages and are governed by a set of laws dreamed up by a paedophile in a cave should be allowed to host a World Cup. Same as I don't think a country like North Korea should be allowed to hold it, presumably you're all for that, or is it only religion that gets these places off the hook? I'm not in any way saying Qatar should be getting a free card simply because of religion. You're simply twisting my words here. (just like you twisted my words about Qatar being a hot bed of football! ) If a country like Qatar is not entitled to host an event like the World Cup….. then where do we stop? Should we prevent people from going on holiday to Qatar and the Middle East as well, then? Or how about Bskyb for advertising Qatar airways? Or maybe book publishers that print holiday guides of Doha? The fact is, you, probably more than anyone on here, would probably agree that religion and politics shouldn’t mix with football. But here you are being hypocritical as fuck about it, tbh. Fuck off, cat boy. Do you think North Korea or Iran should be able to host the World Cup? In promoting Qatar's bid, by association FIFA are condoning their regime. I don't give a monkey's about religion, countries like that should not be chosen for holding world events until they catch up with the rest of the world and stop treating people like medieval slaves. Whether they do it because Mohammad was a headcase or because Kim Jong Il is a headcase is irrelevant. Feel free to point out where I twisted your words about Qatar being a hotbed of football too. You're barmy.

Yeah.... that's what some people thought about Japan/Korea. sorry, but i just have to flag up the fact that you're seemingly comparing Qatar, a country that a few years back was one big sand dune, to the ancient cultures of Japan and Korea, with their rich heritages and many, many millions of people, cultural and technological accomplishments, legacies of artistic and scientific brilliance, high levels of human development, well respected civil societies, freedom of the press and so on. who the hell said Japan/Korea had no culture or atmosphere? idiotic in the extreme. qatar is just a few dozen rich royals who probably live in london or paris paying off some corrupt bastards in order to stage an event that they should never have even been considered for. Japan and Korea are some of the most well respected and most well developed countries on the planet. it's kind of like comparing newcastle with sunderland... What’s idiotic is your totally irrelevant and off the point post. Frankly, I couldn’t care less about those factors that you mentioned. Stick to football, thanks. When nessy asks “how any culture and atmosphere is going to be generated in the place” I instantly thought about the atmosphere and the passion in the stadiums. This is what I was certainly referring to. I don’t know how off the pitch events held a thousand miles away is going to spoil your enjoyment of the world cup. f***ing hell…. only few weeks back there was a thread saying politics and religion shouldn’t mix with football. Were you one of those people that agreed with that, by any chance? It shouldn't, but can't see what that's got to do with what he posted. Well, if you had read the thread you would notice posts from him and others referring to Qatar's lack of human rights, blah blah blah. Double standards....end of. So... because their obscene human rights record is based on religious grounds, you think it should be ignored and they should be allowed to get on with it and we should all flock there and agree to hold major world events there? Mohammad wept. No, it is because football shouldn't mix with it. Simple as really. Didn't hear the fuss over USA holding the 94 world cup, BTW. They've absued human rights abroad as well, you know. Just visit Wikileak if you want more information. Just have & it seems a load of Arab leaders were egging America to attack Iran, America did ignored them. Also read: "Qatar's emir, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, tries to please all parties in the Middle East, including Syria, Iran and the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas, to underline its independence while hosting a major US base, he said. The result is that he is "annoying everyone," according to Dagan, who pointed to frequent fallout from damaging coverage of Arab states by Qatar's satellite news channel Al-Jazeera. The station could even provoke the Middle East's next war because Arab leaders hold Sheikh Hamad personally responsible for the coverage, according to the Mossad chief." THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP I think Wullie has fooled you into thinking that I’m a supporter of Qatar’s regime or something. Ignorant fuckers…… the both of you. You don't support them but you support them enough to let them have the biggest sporting event in the world? And I'm ignorant? I don't support Burma but I think they should get the next Olympics. Clueless.

Yeah.... that's what some people thought about Japan/Korea. sorry, but i just have to flag up the fact that you're seemingly comparing Qatar, a country that a few years back was one big sand dune, to the ancient cultures of Japan and Korea, with their rich heritages and many, many millions of people, cultural and technological accomplishments, legacies of artistic and scientific brilliance, high levels of human development, well respected civil societies, freedom of the press and so on. who the hell said Japan/Korea had no culture or atmosphere? idiotic in the extreme. qatar is just a few dozen rich royals who probably live in london or paris paying off some corrupt bastards in order to stage an event that they should never have even been considered for. Japan and Korea are some of the most well respected and most well developed countries on the planet. it's kind of like comparing newcastle with sunderland... What’s idiotic is your totally irrelevant and off the point post. Frankly, I couldn’t care less about those factors that you mentioned. Stick to football, thanks. When nessy asks “how any culture and atmosphere is going to be generated in the place” I instantly thought about the atmosphere and the passion in the stadiums. This is what I was certainly referring to. I don’t know how off the pitch events held a thousand miles away is going to spoil your enjoyment of the world cup. f***ing hell…. only few weeks back there was a thread saying politics and religion shouldn’t mix with football. Were you one of those people that agreed with that, by any chance? It shouldn't, but can't see what that's got to do with what he posted. Well, if you had read the thread you would notice posts from him and others referring to Qatar's lack of human rights, blah blah blah. Double standards....end of. So... because their obscene human rights record is based on religious grounds, you think it should be ignored and they should be allowed to get on with it and we should all flock there and agree to hold major world events there? Mohammad wept. No, it is because football shouldn't mix with it. Simple as really. Didn't hear the fuss over USA holding the 94 world cup, BTW. They've absued human rights abroad as well, you know. Just visit Wikileak if you want more information. Maybe you should get a time machine and go back and tell them then, fuck me. I don't think countries who live in the dark ages and are governed by a set of laws dreamed up by a paedophile in a cave should be allowed to host a World Cup. Same as I don't think a country like North Korea should be allowed to hold it, presumably you're all for that, or is it only religion that gets these places off the hook?