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Exactly the same. Manage the team to get the club results as is his job, and let the internal investigation and any external investigations assess the facts and dictate the futures of the players involved. And rightly so.

Wow, she's has surpasssed herself in squeezing out that full payload of conspiratorial bile based on bollocks and thin air. What a twisting, acid spewing, mackem c..... delight.

So anyone who doesn't think Taylor is not necessarily a complete c**t must be a member of his family? Tragic tbh. Not as tragic as someone who thinks the sun shines out of all the Newcastle players' (past and present) arses and can't see the blindingly obvious though! Colo will bomb again the PL this, btw nothing against you personally doc, but the negativity on this board is really depressing. no other words to describe it. Couldn't agree more. I have no idea why there is such a propensity to predict the worst around here (actually not just here tbh ).

Fine, you're right. His interview with Gibson made him sound a complete selfish curnt. Where did I say that? Harper will start next season as a first choice premier league keeper. He's never been in that position in his whole career. So relegation has been good for him in the long term. I'm sure Shay Given isn't looking back thinking "why did i leave?" just yet. The point was he was talking about the club as a whole maybe benefiting from the clearout following our drop, not his own career. I'm sure he's chuffed that Shay upped sticks, that said though, going by parts of that interview I think he feels he genuinly has a battle on his hands to hold off Krul and Foster. /It was really good to hear him speak about Foster like that (and gave even more credence to that Norwich fan in the other thread), glad he seems to think the club will do it's best to hold onto him too. Not "the" point, "your" point. "My" point was we all bring our own circumstances with us when we look at a situation. Does Harper see us as better off? It would seem so. Does Given? Probably not. Does Hughton? Probably. Keegan? Probably not. Ashley/Llambias? Definitley. Me, having seen us promoted last time around and in the Champions league several times over before starting our slow descent? Not yet. My little cousin who went to his first match in 2007 and has never seen us win so many games in his life? I'm afraid so. It's very much a personal thing whether you're happier at Newcastle now than you have been in the past. No, it was the point, not mine. The point being, has going down benefited us in any way. I have not even stated my feelings on the issue. nufc_geordie brought up that he felt the drop could have been necessary to see certain positive changes occur and got slagged to shit for it. It's a hard concept to come to terms with clearly, but here we have a senior player at the club saying that it may well have had some merit to it, that there have been some clear benefits, and that is quite significant. Again, Harper may well be jumping for joy that Given buggered off (though don't forget that that happened a good deal before we sunk into the chumps league), but I'd prefer to credit him with being able to recognise the big picture rather than be influenced by personal fortune on this issue, fair enough, you don't think that that is the case. As to your last bit. I too have been there pre and post the last Keegans promotion push, but I think you are again missing the point. Its not about being 'happier at Newcastle now than in the past' - for most of us there have been better times - it's simply about recognising that there may be silver linings to our latest fall and being happy to see them. nufc_geordie felt there was, and got hammered. Harper indicated that supporters like him might well have had a point, and surprise surprise he is getting the critical digs thrown his way now too. If you think I've had a dig at anyone anywhere quote it and I'll apologise. All I've done, I think, is say we all have our own opinions and we should consider where a point of view is coming from before accepting it as fact. If you refuse to accept that, fair enough but you quoted me initially, not the other way round, and you're telling me the point of our discussion. But I'm afraid that's not the point I was making when you quoted me.. Sorry, I just saw it as a bit of a dig at Harper by electing to believe that he was only seeing positives due to his own personal gain or as Diligaf feels, as simply self preservation, and not as he was stating, that there was were clear, if limited, good things to come out of relegation for the club as a whole. Of course I accept everyone has their own point of view on him, and any notion of silver linings after the disaster of last season.

There's no mention of Ashley, and he doesn't even get close to saying that relegation was a ever a good thing. What I mean is, anything Harper says is irrelevant as hes got a job he'd like to keep. Presumably we can infer from that that anything any player, any manager, any member of our staff says is irrelevant too? I guess that just leaves Johns mates twitter page and Simon Birds column left then for informed opinion.

There's no mention of Ashley, and he doesn't even get close to saying that relegation was a ever a good thing.

Fine, you're right. His interview with Gibson made him sound a complete selfish curnt. Where did I say that? Harper will start next season as a first choice premier league keeper. He's never been in that position in his whole career. So relegation has been good for him in the long term. I'm sure Shay Given isn't looking back thinking "why did i leave?" just yet. The point was he was talking about the club as a whole maybe benefiting from the clearout following our drop, not his own career. I'm sure he's chuffed that Shay upped sticks, that said though, going by parts of that interview I think he feels he genuinly has a battle on his hands to hold off Krul and Foster. /It was really good to hear him speak about Foster like that (and gave even more credence to that Norwich fan in the other thread), glad he seems to think the club will do it's best to hold onto him too. Not "the" point, "your" point. "My" point was we all bring our own circumstances with us when we look at a situation. Does Harper see us as better off? It would seem so. Does Given? Probably not. Does Hughton? Probably. Keegan? Probably not. Ashley/Llambias? Definitley. Me, having seen us promoted last time around and in the Champions league several times over before starting our slow descent? Not yet. My little cousin who went to his first match in 2007 and has never seen us win so many games in his life? I'm afraid so. It's very much a personal thing whether you're happier at Newcastle now than you have been in the past. No, it was the point, not mine. The point being, has going down benefited us in any way. I have not even stated my feelings on the issue. nufc_geordie brought up that he felt the drop could have been necessary to see certain positive changes occur and got slagged to shit for it. It's a hard concept to come to terms with clearly, but here we have a senior player at the club saying that it may well have had some merit to it, that there have been some clear benefits, and that is quite significant. Again, Harper may well be jumping for joy that Given buggered off (though don't forget that that happened a good deal before we sunk into the chumps league), but I'd prefer to credit him with being able to recognise the big picture rather than be influenced by personal fortune on this issue, fair enough, you don't think that that is the case. As to your last bit. I too have been there pre and post the last Keegans promotion push, but I think you are again missing the point. Its not about being 'happier at Newcastle now than in the past' - for most of us there have been better times - it's simply about recognising that there may be silver linings to our latest fall and being happy to see them. nufc_geordie felt there was, and got hammered. Harper indicated that supporters like him might well have had a point, and surprise surprise he is getting the critical digs thrown his way now too.

Fine, you're right. His interview with Gibson made him sound a complete selfish curnt. Where did I say that? Harper will start next season as a first choice premier league keeper. He's never been in that position in his whole career. So relegation has been good for him in the long term. I'm sure Shay Given isn't looking back thinking "why did i leave?" just yet. The point was he was talking about the club as a whole maybe benefiting from the clearout following our drop, not his own career. I'm sure he's chuffed that Shay upped sticks, that said though, going by parts of that interview I think he feels he genuinly has a battle on his hands to hold off Krul and Foster. /It was really good to hear him speak about Foster like that (and gave even more credence to that Norwich fan in the other thread), glad he seems to think the club will do it's best to hold onto him too.

Steve Harper - "A few very, very good supporters of the club insisted perhaps in the long run relegation would turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Perhaps they were right." Blimey. He's spent too long on the fucking sunbeds, that lad. True.

Fine, you're right. His interview with Gibson made him sound a complete selfish curnt.

Steve Harper - "A few very, very good supporters of the club insisted perhaps in the long run relegation would turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Perhaps they were right." Blimey. saying relegation could turn out to be a good thing once it's happened and we are recovering from it is different to saying we needed it. Are you saying nufc_geordie isn't using an element of hindsight in what he said?

Steve Harper - "A few very, very good supporters of the club insisted perhaps in the long run relegation would turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Perhaps they were right." Blimey.

Nowt I guess, but hope they do as presumably the share of the money going to our academy would increase. /Pretty sure this deal hasn't got anything to the stadium naming rights, just that we didn't get involed when they started this scheme last year and have only just got on board.

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Not a terrible choice, but I'd be amazed if they have much money to throw around.

That is absolute s****. Which keeper were they going to sign? It was the end of the transfer window when he signed. He could have signed in the summer, Man City would have waited 4 months if they really wanted him. All Shay was interested in was himself, and he let us down by s***-stirring, lying to the fans and then engineering an injury to keep him out of the Man City game before signing for them. Pretty much all of that is speculation. End of the transfer window when he signed yes. Could have been negotiating for a while. If he said no early on they would have looked elsewhere. A team with Man City's money could have got almost any keeper. They weren't going to wait around. It's really not as simple as saying 'no I don't want to sign at the moment but can you please buy me in summer? Pretty pleeeaaasssseee!?' No, its not speculation. Given was reported as saying he was happy at the club and had no plans to leave in mid-december. By the first of January his "representative" who was also his lawer said that he wanted to move. Given made no comment to refute that, so in the space of 2 weeks he has turned full circle. Manchester City could have got any keeper but they didn't want any keeper, they wanted Given. Shay Given wanted his loyalty bonus from Newcastle and so wouldn't hand in a transfer request until it was made clear to him that he wouldn't be leaving unless he backed down. He finally handed in a transfer request and pulled out of the squad for the game against Man City with an "injury" that hadn't bothered him before and mysteriously disappeared when he moved. I have no doubts had Shay Given said "I want to finish the job at Newcastle" that Man City would have waited until the summer for him, I mean they hadn't bothered trying to get any other keeper in when it looked like Shay was going to stay here did they? But I reckon that it had already been decided at the start of January that Shay would join City, that Shay and City had it all agreed and that he just had to get Ashley to agree to a fee. Or maybe ashley and llambias pulled him out because they were worried about him getting injured? Suddenly Ashley and co are not the bad guys, eh? It would be typical of ashley and that liar llambias to pin it on Given. The rest is also unfounded, total bollocks. How? The quotes are all in this thread and the other Given bottler thread, showing that he said he was happy, then his lawyer made his "Statement" and the rest as they say is history! Who said Ashley and Co are not bad guys, but the squad who played in 2008/2009 need to shoulder some blame for us being relegated. Shay Given bottled it, and went where the money was. He obviously changed his mind after the liverpool defeat. What's so baffling about that?? Given said during his first man city press conference that the club made him do things that he didn't want to do. You can workout what he was talking about, right? (If not, read my previous post again!) I wonder why the Given haters are turning a blind eye on this one. All this argument about a player waiting until the end of the season to move on is just bollocks anyway. The closest transfer window was in january, why stay for longer when you're not happy with the direction the club is taking? Do you think he's a fool or something? No...he's a bloody world class keeper with a bit of ambition. And he didn't leave for the money (not solely anyway), he left because man city had far bigger ambitions than us. It's so bloody obvious, ffs! Would you be saying the same thing had he moved to man utd, arsenal etc? Or don't they pay well enough? What job to finish at Newcastle?? To save us from relegation? What.... in december and january we were in a relegation fight?? To qualify for Europe? What nonesense is this? It's obvious.... the club was going nowhere, so he decided to leave! Simple! Bloody hell, how much did you drink over Christmas 2008? Enough to blank your memory for the whole of January? Given shafted us big style. There were plenty of us worried in January 2009 and as a senior member of the squad Shay Given would have known that we had a tough 4 months ahead. He fucked off to city, after trying to hold Newcastle to ransom for a fucking loyalty fee (despite him handing a transfer request in when he lost his place earlier on in his Newcastle career) just so he could jump ship to the latest big-money club. The way he went about leaving Newcastle was an absolute joke. And what had the club asked him to do? Become a paedophile? Beat up his father? Shag his missus' sister? No, he was being paid an awful lot of money to be a goalkeeper and he went off to man city for nothing more than the money. I would love to see Buffon come in and relegate Shay to the bench. Nice spin. Spin? No spin needed, Given saw the bright lights and fat wedge and jumped ship when we needed him most. End of.

Everything. Cos Simon Bird is a cunt.

... or loved at the club... or even somewhere in between.

Proves more... what? What are you wanting to hear? If something has happened, it's a private matter until the time actual facts state otherwise. I would be happy to hear nothing more about these rumours to be honest.

best get rid of carroll for a fee if he's going to continue belting anyone he thinks is a t***. thoguht the comments about Taylor were interesting though. Again though, dont know how reliable it is. interesting that of the 5 players who allegedly wanted taylor sold , i'd only expect 2 to be here come september (only one-harper- prefereably) Interesting? Nah. With no actual facts, its like getting upset over some fannys family problems in an episode of eastenders.

Oi, speak for yourself.

What a surprise that the poisonous, kneejerk, quick to damn attitude outside the ground continues to fester. Before a single quote from anyone involved you're already targeting your new 'cancer' within the club.

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