BottledDog

Not commenting? In the op The headline man, even the new one is just taking the most negative spin possible, and well you know it.

What vision of getting relegated? Seems to me he is simply saying, look, since the fat man saw us relegated he has done everything asked of him, he is still ploughing money in, but for some he'll always be a cartoon hate figure. Again, I'd prefer them to say nothing, especially Dekka. I have no idea whether he is doing a fantastic job or a shit job, but he just has one of those increadibly punch friendly faces. I accept that clouds my judgement on the guy a fair bit.

What c*nts!

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Why would you believe him if he did? He admits he "intentionally misleads the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United". Also, most of what appears in the papers is leaked from the very top, you can tell because it all has the same absolutist whiff of desparation about it.... March - “Just print that we paid £250 Million for the club” December - “Without Mike's input, the club would be broke. Simple as that." February - “Newcastle United couldn’t survive at the moment without Mike’s money, it’s as simple as that." Agreed, he could spout as many figures as he fancied, but there is no way Ashley doing another in depth interview would sway anyones view of him. It's all about his actions now. /not sure I could stand the bloodbath on the forum if he did it either tbf. This is what I've said about him for over a year. I could forgive the Keegan saga, the Kinnear joke, Llambias's failings, the sale of players that could have assured survival, the purchase of players that couldn't (without consulting the manager), banning negative reporters, the stadium name change, the alienation of swathes of our support and even relegation, if he showed any sign whatsoever of learning anything and doing something constructive to rectify it in his actions rather than his words. Can't see it happening. All he does is put the club on the market and take it off again. ...and not walk away, and invest in the squad and the manager enough to see us not disintergrate but see us top of the table and likely to bounce back at the first time of asking. Concede something man HF. Look, I get your point and know you'll not be easily won over, but I hope for the clubs sake (if he can't find a Geordie Abramovic to sell to sharpish), he does manage win us all over at some stage soon.

Why would you believe him if he did? He admits he "intentionally misleads the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United". Also, most of what appears in the papers is leaked from the very top, you can tell because it all has the same absolutist whiff of desparation about it.... March - “Just print that we paid £250 Million for the club” December - “Without Mike's input, the club would be broke. Simple as that." February - “Newcastle United couldn’t survive at the moment without Mike’s money, it’s as simple as that." Agreed, he could spout as many figures as he fancied, but there is no way Ashley doing another in depth interview would sway anyones view of him. It's all about his actions now. /not sure I could stand the bloodbath on the forum if he did it either tbf. Another in depth interview! When did the other ones occur? He did a big one in the Chronicle didn't he? And Lambias did a big one recently too. Most people took from them what they wanted, there are calls for more dialog but it's a total waste of time.

Diverting money from a privately owned company into the owners’ bank account isn’t extortion or embezzlement. As I keep saying time will tell, but’ it’s a mistake to equate our on the field results this season with some kind of rosy future. What do you think Ashley’s master plan is then? What do you think his motivation is? Well he was pretty clear from the start that he recognised he would have to subsidise the club, certainly initially and was happy for others to invest if anyone fancied helping him out. There was no master plan, he wanted a football club for shits and giggles, found himself flailing in the deep end after pissing everyone off over Keegan and wanted out. There was no masterplan, no evil conspiracy. Now he either sells for a loss, or keeps pumping money in up to the point we are successful enough to be pulling in decent money again. Without any local billionaires on the horizon, and with Hughton and himself seeming to be learning on the jobs together and starting to get things right, I think I'd be almost inclined to hope he opts for the later now tbh. I’m glad somebody understands the choice Ashley faces. I can’t see him selling for a loss, and the more money he pumps in the more successful the club has to be generate the revenues needed to cover his investment – it’s never ending cycle. It’s a no win situation, which is why I think the extra income a return to the PL will bring won’t be invested in the team. It’s the only way I can see him not having to take big loss on his investment, and I doubt how this affects the long term future of NUFC will have any bearing on what he decides to do. But that would just mean a long term drain on his personal wealth for sod all return (even any fun) unless you think that he'd be holding on in hope that the future will see another sudden rush of foreign wealth coming in on a whim. Can't see it myself. Nar, he has to either sell asap or do his best and push us on after a period of stabilising the clubs finances. It's a gamble only for him. Fingers crossed, either way hopefully is win win for the rest of us. No it wouldn’t, it’s just about the only way he can stop putting money in. Run a club with 50,000 attendances on a Bolton size budget and in theory you can avoid relegation year after year and make a vast operating profit. No more cash going in and big profits – why wouldn’t he go for it? Because a club pulling in 50,000 a game would, if the accounts showed a lack of suitable reinvestment and resulted in a s*** team on the pitch, would not be a club pulling in 50,000 a game for very long. There are very few scenarios that show any clubs pulling in profits, nevermind "vast" ones, but bottom feeding in the Premiership is certainly not one of them. As I said a bit earlier, if he was looking to get some of his money back, do what Lerner and others do and for starters charge the club interest on his loans and get £5m to £10m a year, hell why not even take a salary. He has every right to be pulling s*** like that, but so far he hasn't. That has to count for something. I’m not saying it’s a viable plan, only that Ashley options are limited and it’s naive to assume he won’t do something stupid. He’s hasn’t exactly got a great record in understanding the football business. Cutting costs and gambling on staying up was the big idea last season, don’t be surprised if he sticks with it when/if we go back up. I would be a little surprised and certainly disapointed if he did that were he to stay. Lets wait and see eh, all I'm asking is that he keeps us on an even keel and invests wisely to start with, and hopefully this years bump on the head (if not the hatred directed toward him, the money he lost) will cure him of gambling with relegation again. To get back to days of Shepherds fabled 'war chest', we need to build up to that position again and it is the revenue we can generate over time with our large supporter base feeling we are on the right track, not splashing the cash and pulling off the odd cup run, that will allow us to do that.

Why would you believe him if he did? He admits he "intentionally misleads the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United". Also, most of what appears in the papers is leaked from the very top, you can tell because it all has the same absolutist whiff of desparation about it.... March - “Just print that we paid £250 Million for the club” December - “Without Mike's input, the club would be broke. Simple as that." February - “Newcastle United couldn’t survive at the moment without Mike’s money, it’s as simple as that." Agreed, he could spout as many figures as he fancied, but there is no way Ashley doing another in depth interview would sway anyones view of him. It's all about his actions now. /not sure I could stand the bloodbath on the forum if he did it either tbf.

Diverting money from a privately owned company into the owners’ bank account isn’t extortion or embezzlement. As I keep saying time will tell, but’ it’s a mistake to equate our on the field results this season with some kind of rosy future. What do you think Ashley’s master plan is then? What do you think his motivation is? Well he was pretty clear from the start that he recognised he would have to subsidise the club, certainly initially and was happy for others to invest if anyone fancied helping him out. There was no master plan, he wanted a football club for shits and giggles, found himself flailing in the deep end after pissing everyone off over Keegan and wanted out. There was no masterplan, no evil conspiracy. Now he either sells for a loss, or keeps pumping money in up to the point we are successful enough to be pulling in decent money again. Without any local billionaires on the horizon, and with Hughton and himself seeming to be learning on the jobs together and starting to get things right, I think I'd be almost inclined to hope he opts for the later now tbh. I’m glad somebody understands the choice Ashley faces. I can’t see him selling for a loss, and the more money he pumps in the more successful the club has to be generate the revenues needed to cover his investment – it’s never ending cycle. It’s a no win situation, which is why I think the extra income a return to the PL will bring won’t be invested in the team. It’s the only way I can see him not having to take big loss on his investment, and I doubt how this affects the long term future of NUFC will have any bearing on what he decides to do. But that would just mean a long term drain on his personal wealth for sod all return (even any fun) unless you think that he'd be holding on in hope that the future will see another sudden rush of foreign wealth coming in on a whim. Can't see it myself. Nar, he has to either sell asap or do his best and push us on after a period of stabilising the clubs finances. It's a gamble only for him. Fingers crossed, either way hopefully is win win for the rest of us. No it wouldn’t, it’s just about the only way he can stop putting money in. Run a club with 50,000 attendances on a Bolton size budget and in theory you can avoid relegation year after year and make a vast operating profit. No more cash going in and big profits – why wouldn’t he go for it? Because a club pulling in 50,000 a game would, if the accounts showed a lack of suitable reinvestment and resulted in a shit team on the pitch, would not be a club pulling in 50,000 a game for very long. There are very few scenarios that show any clubs pulling in profits, nevermind "vast" ones, but bottom feeding in the Premiership is certainly not one of them. As I said a bit earlier, if he was looking to get some of his money back, do what Lerner and others do and for starters charge the club interest on his loans and get £5m to £10m a year, hell why not even take a salary. He has every right to be pulling shit like that, but so far he hasn't. That has to count for something.

Diverting money from a privately owned company into the owners’ bank account isn’t extortion or embezzlement. As I keep saying time will tell, but’ it’s a mistake to equate our on the field results this season with some kind of rosy future. What do you think Ashley’s master plan is then? What do you think his motivation is? Well he was pretty clear from the start that he recognised he would have to subsidise the club, certainly initially and was happy for others to invest if anyone fancied helping him out. There was no master plan, he wanted a football club for shits and giggles, found himself flailing in the deep end after pissing everyone off over Keegan and wanted out. There was no masterplan, no evil conspiracy. Now he either sells for a loss, or keeps pumping money in up to the point we are successful enough to be pulling in decent money again. Without any local billionaires on the horizon, and with Hughton and himself seeming to be learning on the jobs together and starting to get things right, I think I'd be almost inclined to hope he opts for the later now tbh. I’m glad somebody understands the choice Ashley faces. I can’t see him selling for a loss, and the more money he pumps in the more successful the club has to be generate the revenues needed to cover his investment – it’s never ending cycle. It’s a no win situation, which is why I think the extra income a return to the PL will bring won’t be invested in the team. It’s the only way I can see him not having to take big loss on his investment, and I doubt how this affects the long term future of NUFC will have any bearing on what he decides to do. But that would just mean a long term drain on his personal wealth for sod all return (even any fun) unless you think that he'd be holding on in hope that the future will see another sudden rush of foreign wealth coming in on a whim. Can't see it myself. Nar, he has to either sell asap or do his best and push us on after a period of stabilising the clubs finances. It's a gamble only for him. Fingers crossed, either way hopefully is win win for the rest of us.

Diverting money from a privately owned company into the owners’ bank account isn’t extortion or embezzlement. As I keep saying time will tell, but’ it’s a mistake to equate our on the field results this season with some kind of rosy future. What do you think Ashley’s master plan is then? What do you think his motivation is? Well he was pretty clear from the start that he recognised he would have to subsidise the club, certainly initially and was happy for others to invest if anyone fancied helping him out. There was no master plan, he wanted a football club for shits and giggles, found himself flailing in the deep end after pissing everyone off over Keegan and wanted out. There was no masterplan, no evil conspiracy. Now he either sells for a loss, or keeps pumping money in up to the point we are successful enough to be pulling in decent money again. Without any local billionaires on the horizon, and with Hughton and himself seeming to be learning on the jobs together and starting to get things right, I think I'd be almost inclined to hope he opts for the later now tbh.

He’s certainly very good at lining his own pockets. How much do you anticipate he's lined them with from the football club overall? Well to date it looks like he’s made a pigs ear of it, but that’s not to say he won’t fill his boots in the long run. The question is how is he is going to try and make a big fat profit out of NUFC after SJH made a mug of him. He could try and build a relevantly successful club PL that regularly competes in Europe and then sell up. Or he could just try and screw us over. He's a plum for taking us down, but screwing us over? He is not even charging interest on his loans man (a few million a year he could legitimately get away with pocketing), even exalted owners like Gibson and Lerner do that FFS.

FANTASTIC? Remember Toon Gate? he should never ever had been allowed back!, that scenario almost got the club relegated that season more than made up for that with subsequent achievements while robson was in charge. at our height under robson he was just abotu the best chairman you could wish for.however the biig decision was always going to be replacing robson and he completely and utterly fucked it up and our decline since then can all be traced to that one decision. he tried to claw us back by giving souness 36m for transfers but it simply compounded the situation. had he timed the robson replacement correctly, brought in a top manager (after all we were a top club back then) and gave him the money souness had spent instead, then theres a good chance we would still be up there fighting for 4th spot in the table. More than made up?!? he got lucky that he sacked gullit at a time when robson was available! he appointed 1 good manager out of 5 or 6! a shocking record! also when he sold gary speed behind robson's back, also the club has went forever downhill when we SPENT £0 in 2003/04 Even with Robson, he never gave the backing that Leazes keeps banging on about. Carr instead of Miguel. Genius!

Christ lads, stop it with the jinxing.

Not for Chelsea. Ashley Cole is out remember.

Hughtons Premiership record as Tottinghams manager - Won 3 Drew 2 Lost 1

Of course Villa will be losing money per week, almost all clubs do due to how cash flow works at Football clubs. The big difference between us and Villa financially is that they'll have £50m of Premier League money due to them at the end of the season. And they've got a net spend of £50m to go along with it. We've got a net transfer profit of about £40m in the same period. and transfer profit has to be spent exclusivly on transfers ? not to mention how much we still had to pay from when we signed some of those players. Not at all. I think we're wise to tighten our belts and watch that bottom line. Just pointing out there seems to be a £90million difference in the wheeling and dealing at Villa and the toon over the last 2 years. I'm sure i probably haven't understood the complicated accountancy though. How much cash in total has Lerner invested in Aston Villa? No idea but he is making a few bob on the interest he is charging on his loans. "Randy Lerner, who has lent the club £49.5m. These loans are repayable in full in December 2016. Villa paid £4.1m in interest in the year on Lerner's loan, on top of £1.37m to service the bank loan"

For PhilK - Aston Villa Turnover: £75.6m Operating profit: –£13.1m Net debt: £72.3m Interest payment: £5.7m Aston Villa's 07-08 accounts show the club has a £13m bank loan secured on the club's assets. £2.5m of this is repayable in three instalments each year until 2012. It also has a £10m overdraft. But Villa's biggest debt is to their American owner, Randy Lerner, who has lent the club £49.5m. These loans are repayable in full in December 2016. Villa paid £4.1m in interest in the year on Lerner's loan, on top of £1.37m to service the bank loan. From - http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/the-debt-league-how-much-do-clubs-owe-1912244.html

Why? Why ? Are we on Portsmouth level attendances ? No. Are we overstocked with overpaid players ? Take away Smith and maybe half a dozen others, no. I find it odd we are losing money at all, let alone half a mill a week Other teams like Villa aren't so how come we are with higher attendances, less money paid out on fewer players ? do you mean exactly half a million every week...if so i agree. There are supposed to be a number of Prem and Football league clubs in financial danger. ALL of them are not exactly pulling them in through the gates. We are. I just find it hard to believe. Some are keen to accept it. I think we can ask why to that too. Had on, I thought Villa were still being subbed by Randy? I may be completely off here as well like but unlike Fat Ash, I'm pretty sure either he (or was it Gibson) is charging interest on his loans too.

anyone else think this sounded a lot like a Michael Owen transfer? I'll level with you I'm a huge fan of Robbie Keane and have been suggesting to mates and alike before we signed Owen that we tried to sign him when spurs had 47 striking options, could have probably got him for about £7-£8m at the time and got away with paying him about £40k a week. My biggest worry is we end up with Michael Owen again in the summer, and as ridiculous as that might sound, I wouldn't write it off straight away. Ronaldo..............try reading the thread next time, along with your mate, Johnny Hall, before either up your make numpties of yourselves with more ridiculous remarks. we have had too many cheque book happy managers in the past who won nothing, we have got rid of the high earners Is that why Colo is on 80k a week? Smith on 60k? Nolan on around the 40k mark? Even Xisco is on 45k a week. I thought the only actual proof of any wages was Guthrie who wasn't even pulling in 10k?

Simon Bird- Mike Ashley's biggest call yet: should he give Chris Hughton a shot at the Premier League or bring in a big name boss for next season? Clicky - http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/simon-bird/Newcastle

I think most people understand what a player and a manager does, this has become pointless. Yup. There is clear enough difference to see that sticking with Hughton barring any surprises is based on a whole different set of criteria as to whether or not a player can make the step up.

Was he ecstatic like? smiling his big fat face off and shaking hands in an almost 'high five' style Worra bastard!

Roeder did brilliantly for half a season to get us 7th but it was still pretty obvious to most that he wasn't the right man long term. I respect Hughton greatly for what he's done so far, he's got a long way to go to convince me he's good enough though. Hughton comes across a lot better (not just personality wise, or his reluctance to refer to himself in the third person, but in terms of talking sense) than Roeder ever did, in my opinion.