BottledDog

Melodramatic bollocks.

Bump.

Not sure if Charnley.

I'm sure he'll get back to the form of that promising first spell, and when he does, he'll have all our backing. #wait

"...he once mentioned Liverpool as the team of his dreams." Yay.

I too would be absolutely sickened if your mate happened to be Charnley. Otherwise I'm still choosing to believe that Carver reportedly saying he's getting the job is just bluster and bollocks.

"It could be a 14-year-old schoolboy who doesn’t know anything about football, starts a topic and before you know it, it is all over the place and they are a legend because they started it,” Carver points out. “That’s where we are, that’s what society is." http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/embattled-newcastle-united-boss-john-9070989 Bang on John. He's onto you N-O scriptkidddies. Watch your letterboxes.

2-1

What a fucking joy of a substitution.

FUCK OFF.

Ha. Fuck you Kop.

Get in. We're playing football.

Damn, almost didn't want that half to end, started knocking it about well.

Great play, come on you freaks.

Ah. A goal. Right you are.

Decent.

Good changes from Carver, howay let's surprise the fuckers and have a go at them.

But the first paragraph as I read it is saying is that the club brought in a certain type of limited manager, then gave him the wrong tools to work with. That's not really much of an argument against Pardew (beyond highlighting some of his failings that the board continued to ignore), it's an attack on the people that hired him. As for the rest, the idea that Pardew is the mastermind behind the mantra of mediocrity just seems bonkers to me. He served up no end of shit but I presume like any other egotistical manager he want's to have a fairly decent legacy have some success to look back on rather than sit on a pundits sofa and trot out tails of balance sheets. In interviews since he left, it is his records in the cups that he brings up and says hurt the most. Whatever excuses he gives for those records, it seems fairly telling. Sure you can dismiss anything he says as rubber lipped bollocks, and he may have put up with the penny pinching, player sales, and suggested priorities to keep himself in a job he was lucky to get in the first place... but he was quick enough to jump ship for the chance of personal glory at his struggling home town club as soon as his reputation was on a downward spiral here. Not only because of his own clear failings and the protests and anger that he rightly suffered towards the end, but because of his association with an unambitious and toxic regime that was increasingly the focus of the national media. Almost every word that came out of his mouth was either a pre-emptive excuse in case of defeat or an excuse to absolve him of blame for an actual defeat. Unless we won of course, in which case he did it all. Seems commonly accepted wisdom that Ashley and co know sweet fuck all about football, so if they're listening to the paid professional tell them we can't compete that mantra will catch on, and it obviously did. Nah, I accept that. Couldn't stand his little team against the world bullshit that became a creeping feature over his tenure (something that should suit him at Palace, though he seems to have a new found bluster about him at the minute). Absolute vile attitude to have at Newcastle, but difficult to avoid with this lot and the risky threadbare squads they provide. Carver comes across in much the same way. Keegan said we'd get nowhere near the top when he was in charge, and nowhere full stop after he left. The board and Charnley, Wise, and every other bugger were all about managing expectations and keeping the heat off Ashley. Pardew has admitted he defended the club wrongly at times. As I said, he was lucky to get the job at the time, and for me there was no doubt that taking the heat, accepting sales and playing down the clubs fighting chances was an obligation/condition pushed on him from above. The negativity just naturally increased whenever he found himself in trouble.

But the first paragraph as I read it is saying is that the club brought in a certain type of limited manager, then gave him the wrong tools to work with. That's not really much of an argument against Pardew (beyond highlighting some of his failings that the board continued to ignore), it's an attack on the people that hired him. As for the rest, the idea that Pardew is the mastermind behind the mantra of mediocrity just seems bonkers to me. He served up no end of shit but I presume like any other egotistical manager he want's to have a fairly decent legacy have some success to look back on rather than sit on a pundits sofa and trot out tails of balance sheets. In interviews since he left, it is his records in the cups that he brings up and says hurt the most. Whatever excuses he gives for those records, it seems fairly telling. Sure you can dismiss anything he says as rubber lipped bollocks, and he may have put up with the penny pinching, player sales, and suggested priorities to keep himself in a job he was lucky to get in the first place... but he was quick enough to jump ship for the chance of personal glory at his struggling home town club as soon as his reputation was on a downward spiral here. Not only because of his own clear failings and the protests and anger that he rightly suffered towards the end, but because of his association with an unambitious and toxic regime that was increasingly the focus of the national media.

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Very timely. Well player Keith Bishop. Well played.

John Carver presence felt in Newcastle reserve game by entering the dressing room at half-time How in the juddering fuck is that a headline Lee. How in Gods name is it even a story. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh193/germann_bucket/EyeStab.jpg

Ah, those little foibles. Like turning the club from a living, breathing lovable monster symbiotically attached to the city, feeding and reflecting the towns emotions and providing a protective focal point and a heightened sense of community that could stretch out to black and whites at the far edges of the planet... To a joyless, rotting husk. That kind of thing?

Hooray - the voice of reason. Honestly, the utter negativity on this board worries me. Posters wanting us to get relegated? Like the WTF. No deal at all. How is it possible to be this f***ing thick? You want to stay in the PL achieving nothing whatsoever for the next 30 years? We'll lets get relegated then - it will fix all of our problems in a heartbeat. No one's said that and continuing to frame the issue in such a way is ridiculous. If you accept that Ashley's primary, almost sole motivation as NUFC owner is profit maximization (because that should be clear to everyone by this point), it logically follows that he would have less interest in holding on to a club that's failing to earn him money. Relegation would undoubtedly put a major dent in his pocketbook: the disparity in wealth between the PL and Championship is ridiculous. Of course it could backfire and we could "do a Leeds" (which is really not a legitimate reason to be worried about relegation considering the completely different circumstances surrounding Leeds and today's Newcastle). But holding fast where we are, ambition-less and content to simply exist as a PL team and nothing more, is clearly not ever going to force Ashley to reconsider his ownership of the club. Can't speak for others, but I have trouble accepting that tbh. The only thing I feel I know about Ashley is that he will categorically not be putting any more of his own money into the club and has been running it solely on that aim since his first year (not even sure he gives a toss about the piddling profits we now make). Getting relegated won't hurt him much personally or in the pocket, it'll just knock the club back into more cost cutting. :lol: nah he;s not in it for the profits man BottledDog's always been banging the same drum, he's just understandably piped down with it a bit as things have progressed. What's progressed? I've piped down for the same reason as most. Even more dogshit football post Pardew, and sod all to get excited about since January. Ah, and sod all to get excited about in the future unless Charnley suddenly becomes competent and starts running the club with some passion and ambition for success on the pitch (an alien concept to him so far as I can see). Just not a fan of people being called fucking thick for being against relegation is all.