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LB-Paul Konchesky (worth a punt) RB-Luke Young (Worst game by a RB ive ever seen against Liverpool, but still worth a punt i suppose, trade with carr) CM-Youssi Benayoun (inconstant, dont need him and his position) CF-James Beattie (No more than £3m, worth a punt) Cf-Ashley Young (Rejecting bids of £5m, plus he is a right winger, we dont need him) Konchesky is worth a look at. Curbs sold him from Charlton and may now find himself pushed out as the two never got on. WHU didn't pay a massive fee, maybe a swap for Babayaro to keep costs down would be worth a look. Same for Young. Charlton fans are not happy with him, he's lost interest and we could for the right price he could move. However, nothing more than £3m for numerous reasons, maybe throw Carr in as well Beattie is about the best striker we can get for the £3m mark without taking a punt abroad. I reckon he'd redouble his efforts if he came here, and relaunch his career, but its a risk, but one worth taking imo. If the club came out with these three before the window closes, i'd be quite happy. Although i think there are better options about for the fullback positions, we neither have the money, nor the talent to broker the deals needed to secure the players, so maybe with WHU & Charlton in unsecure positions, we could take some advantage over them.

Brown is not the answer. He is too injury prone and just like Bramble makes mistakes that costs goals. We should however go for the LB from Marsbar, decent player, fantastic price.

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Aye mate, and who will be responsible for that failure should it happen? Abramovich for backing Mourinho or Mourinho for not getting it right? Or is it just one of those things where there are so few trophies and no matter what happens you always need a bit of luck? Mourinho has already won a trophy. If he had appointed Mourinho and he didn't win anything before f***ing up, it'd be Abramovich's fault. Boring as F***, tbh. I expected better from you, even though we don't agree I know you're not stupid. Is that your reply? Abramovich has appointed a manager that has won him trophies. This confirms that Roman has appointed a manager capable of winning him trophies therefore he has done his job correctly. If it goes pearshaped from there it's Abramovich's job to either keep faith with him or replace him with a manager to take the club forward. If Abramovich decided to keep faith and it didn't work out, then it would be his fault. If he decided enough was enough and appointed Souness and Chelsea won nothing and finished 14th, it'd surely be his own fault? On what evidence did he make that appointment? He probably assessed his football club and assessed Mourinho's personality and character and decided that the two were compatible. Competence! Are we going to compare this to appointing Dalgleish, the defensive style manager, to manage the most attacking team in English football? What do you know about the Liverpool team managed by Dalglish? Or are you basing everything on his time at Blackburn? I see him as a very experienced and successful manager of 2 football clubs, success achieved under entirely different circumstances that indicated AT THE TIME that he could be a very good choice for us. Apart from the liar, I don't know anybody who thought this was a crap appointment at the time. So your defence of Shepherd is that he once made an appointment that people thought would be good but wasn't? So you don't think a manager who had won premiership titles with 2 clubs, 2 FA Cups and 3 manager of the year awards is qualified enough :lol: Not the right man for the job, as he proved to be a FACT. Right? so what would your criteria be - apart from hindsight At that time it would have been not to appoint a manager with a preferred defensive style to manage the, at the time, most attacking team in english football. I've already said that. I know you find it outrageous that anybody feels that Dalglish wasn't the man for the job, but he proved he wasn't, therefore I can't understand that you seem to still think he was the ideal appointment. Also, if Dalglish was so awesome, why didn't he win anything for us like he was able to at the other clubs he managed? The manager had a proven track record, so there must have been something else holding us back. What was it? Of course, we didn't have a devine right to trophies because he was the manager, so don't throw that old line in, but if success isn't achieved there's a reason for it somewhere along the line, and as you're so adamant that Dalglish was the man, where does the blame like for our failures in that period? The idea was that, at the time, Keegans team needed "tactical astuteness" - not that I believe that sort of crap myself because I think teams should play to their strengths and that is "tactical astuteness" - but the ability to defend a lead etc etc was generally presumed to be the reason we didn't win the title and so a person who had done that and had the track record to back it up was the ideal replacement. We weren't to know that he was going to rip the team apart. Even then, if he had had time, who knows what would have happened. He also wasn't "my man", my man was Keegan. But the club had to move on. As you admit we don;t have a divine right to trophies, accept he came close. He was 90 minutes from winning the FA Cup. We have only done that 3 times since the 1950's. 90 minutes from being a legend. :winking: Would you turn down Wenger, Mourhino etc today, if so why and on what basis, would you not think their track record was relevant ? No I wouldn't turn down Wenger or Mourinho. Then again I'm not a premiership level chairman but if I was, I'd expect myself to be educated enough not to just chase any manager with the best trophy record. Why do you think Man Utd wanted O Neill when it looked like Fergie was going to retire? There are certainly bigger names that have won more trophies around. They could have even chased old Kenny D themselves, he certainly has a better 'track record'. I'll tell you why they wanted O Neill. Because if you're a capable premiership level chairman you're expected to make appointments based on character and attempt to judge their compatibility with a club. It's like on the pitch, look at Real Madrid in recent years. You can have the best footballers in the world, but if you stick them on the pitch it means nothing unless they gel. The same applies when appointing a manager to a football club. A good manager builds a team that gels on the pitch. A good chairman appoints a manager that gels with the club and the club's character. Are you learning yet? so you think that a manager who had won all the honours he won at a big city club like Liverpool, with fanatical fans just like us, didn't have the right character to repeat that success at Newcastle ? What about Benitez, does a dour character like him have the "right character" or do you think he's an extrovert like Shankly was ? Dalglish was a players manager in the dressing room and on the training ground, just like Keegan was, he had coped with pressure and the demands of a club always in the spotlight. You are simply applying hindsight. With hindsight he could have actually been given more time ........ and if he had won one single huge game he would have had more time. Why are you asking me questions about Dalglish's credentials for the job? I'm not running a premiership football team and I'm not pretending that I'm any more capable than Shepherd is? It's ok for me and you to discuss Dalglish and his record but can you sympathise with Shepherd for getting it wrong just because you or me thought it was a good appointment? He's a premiership level chairman, he should be more qualified than you or I at appointing managers, but the way you break it down is like "well if me and you thought it was a good appointment then how can we critisise Shepherd". Because Shepherd is paid millions to make these decisions so should therefore be better than yourself and I when it comes to identifying appropriate managers. Is it sinking in yet? why should he know better than me just because he had the money to buy himself a position on the board of the football club ? To date, the board have made on bad appointment that I can't figure out why they did it. Take note, THE BOARD. is it sinking in yet ? And, as we have been 5th best in our field over the course of a decade, I don't think its too bad. Is it sinking in yet ? Because if he didn't know better than you then surely he'd have the sense to hire a director of football, in order to protect his investment better? He's made several poor appointments, not one, because as I explained earlier none of the appointments paid off with a trophy. We should expect to have won a trophy, as expectations are set by the amount of money spent. We established this by pointing out that Man Utd/Chelsea both consider 2nd place failure. Therefore, as the next highest spending club, 5th should be considered failure. Right? But wait, we haven't been 5th since Bobby left. So we're currently even lower than our under achieving average. Appointing a manager with a good history with a good record doesn't make it a good appointment. A good appointment is only a good appointment when it pays off. Has any of the appointments Shepherd has made paid off, when you consider the high expectations (which relate to the money spent)? NE5? No response? hindsight is easy. If winning titles with 2 clubs, 2 FA Cups and 3 manager of the year awards isn't good enough for you, how would you choose a manager ? Or would you pay no attention to track record and give the job to someone like say, Kevin Ball, because he is "determined" ? A competent chairman should get the right mix between character, track record and personality. Do you think by just referring to track record that this is a good enough defense for the appointment? If track record is the most important thing then why didn't Man Utd when they thought Fergy was going to retire, or Liverpool want the manager with the best track record? Why are other chairmen SIGNIFICANTLY better at identifying the best man for their respective clubs, despite ours being the highest paid in the country? Shouldn't he, in theory, therefore be the best in the country at his job? how many can you name who have qualified for europe more than us then ? How many can you name with higher expectations (which relate to money spent) I can name you a canny few clubs who were above us and spending more money for decades before the halls and Shepherd ? Why do you think that has changed ? And why do you think that those clubs are no longer above us? Is it because competent people were in charge and those clubs were ran properly but still managed to fall? Or do you think that something went wrong at those clubs somewhere along the line, was left unaddressed and the respective club's slide continued? primarily it is because we are run massively better now Indeed. And as we surpassed them, expectations went up. And as we spent hundreds of millions in a decade, expectations went up further, yet weren't met. Do you think it is acceptable to spend £100m-200m in just over a decade and not win anything? Would Roman Abramovich spend that much and consider being the 5th best club at qualifying for euope as success? If not, then why should other big spending clubs have higher expectations than you do for Newcastle? Do you think it's acceptable that this massively underachieving big spending club chairman should pay himself higher wages than the ones that win things for their respective clubs? that is precisely the point. The current board have raised expectations massively but you have to realistic and accept there are only 2 cups and nobody has a divine right to them. Chelsea and manure are also now in a league of their own financially. If nobody has a devine right to win them, why is it usually the clubs that spend the most that do win them? And to elaborate on that point, as one of the clubs that spend the most, despite not having a devine right to win one, why haven't we been able to win ONE SINGLE cup, yet the other big spending clubs over the past decade have won numerous cups? Well, you could try asking the managers why they fielded weakened teams in the league Cup ? Or the players why they bottled 2 FA Cup Finals and numerous other big occasion games Unfortunately though the board didn't play on those days, they had done their job by giving the managers the finance to build good enough teams to get there, good enough to play in the Champions League, unless you think Freddie gave a shite team talk or picked the wrong tactics ? But it's his job to appoint a man that will use the right tactics. Can you not see this? and its the job of our opponents to do precisely the same thing ? Can you not see this ? Go back to your criteria, what criteria would you apply to pick this man, someone who had got tactics right on a previous occasion, or not ? Yes, and MANY opposing chairmen have done the same thing, SUCCESSFULLY. Not all have appointed managers that have won things. But this comes down to expectations. Look at Bolton, they have appointed a manager that has taken the club to an over-achieving position. So therefore, if even the low-resourced Bolton chairman can appoint a manager to over-achieve, surely the highest paid chairman in english football should be able to appoint one that can reach expectations on some level? no, not many. Just a few. How do you know he is the highest paid chairman and what difference does that make to his footballing judgement ? I said this to you earlier, I would do it but I didn't and don't have the money to buy the club. Shame. Allardyce is a lucky appointment by Bolton anyway. He only got the job because he was a Bolton player and has his roots in the area. Well surely high wages are usually a reward for competence. Or is it, in this case, a way of taking money from the club and a sign of greed? Seeing as you think it's not a skilled job and anyone with money can do it, why don't you become a director of football, NE5? Run a club for somebody with the money. Tell me how many millionaires that you manage to convince that their money and club is safe in your unqualified unskilled hands. I would be DOF of football for Newcastle United anytime. I would also be manager and if I was, there are a lot of players at the club who would not be anywhere near SJP. There were lots more pre-1992 though :winking: Oh and Craig Bellamy would still be there. Do you think you could do a better job than Roeder NE5? A better job than Souness :winking: Who would appoint somebody that a member of the public could do a better job than? Liverpool ? Indeed. Now look where they are. Maybe we will win the CL in a few years then too. After appointing him, did they also appoint a manager plagued with relegation history? Or is that just NUFC? Well, Evans was promoted from the backroom and formed a double act with Houillier. Good planning of course. What do you think of Leeds, Arsenal, Charlton, Birmingham, Southampton, Man City, Leicester, Wolves, Norwich, Ipswich etc all going backwards in the last few years or in recent times ? I think Leeds was a similar situation to ours. I think Arsenal aren't going backwards and are actually in a transitional period after the loss of many big players (and no, the same doesn't apply to us and Shearer because we've been in decline for a long time before his retirement) and most of the other clubs I put down to lack of resources. Leeds and ourselves are the only two where you can realistically blame poor board room decisions and if we continue to decline at the rate we are, we'll be as low as Leeds are. I doubt it. And you are wrong anyway, as there are 87 clubs who haven't done as well as we have done, how can they be making better decisions :roll: Because they are making the most of their resources. Our board isn't. Get a PM. lol That's fuking huge!!!

it seems the "planners" don't have a "plan" or even a "plan B" Why are you banging on about a plan? Is this all you have to say? Pathetic tbh. Another NE5 super thread with NE5 talking utter shit and boring everyone to death. Well done you troll. I didn't mention "plan", I don't believe in such a thing, I think you just appoint the manager and let him do his job and work his own strategy and ideas and judgements. Back him in the transfer market too, very important. If you don't do this, you can appoint all the managers you like but when you appoint a good one they will piss off if you don't support them. This is an active decision a board of a football clubs makes ie whether to strive for success, or not. Newcastle United employed that "plan" for decades, but it was a shit plan and didn't succeed. In fact it only succeeded in bringing a half full stadium for decades and near bankruptcy and the 3rd divison before the inspired appointment of Keegan by a new regime, who was the idea of Dogless Hall, Shepherd and Fletcher. As for "troll", there are plenty of ideas, questions and debate put up here by me, if you are unable to accept them in a realistic light instead of thinking we are a mediocre club that qualifies regularly for europe and buys top international footballers - think about it - then its your problem, in fact I could think you are a troll for spouting nothing other than cliches and not listening to factual information when it is put in front of you. All you've done is post & jumped on the word plan, you've offfered nothing to this thread apart from filler.

it seems the "planners" don't have a "plan" or even a "plan B" Why are you banging on about a plan? Is this all you have to say? Pathetic tbh. Another NE5 super thread with NE5 talking utter shit and boring everyone to death. Well done you troll.

I assume you're talking about defenders here. Do you really think that signing new defenders to play in a game less than a week away alongside players they have never even trained with before will significantly improve the defense for that game? Is this the same Tottenham who have been able to play their first choice defense for the vast majority of the season and have conceeded the same number of goals as our makeshift one? Its not unknown for professionals who are the top of their game (EPL standard) to be able to adapt quickly in certain situations. I'm sure an experienced defender will be able to put in an astute performance even though he doesn't know his team mates, it happens at NT level all the time, players are in and out of the squad and I'm sure one of these professional athletes with 10 years in the game could easily out perform a 17-19 year old who's played 2-3 games with the senior team, and probably only had 3-4 weeks training with the 1st team under their belt anyway. But on your point, when we do get new defenders in we must wait even longer for them to settle, so end of Feb or March should do it. :roll: I'm sure the current lot will hold out till then. Which other Tottenham do you know of? Well I know he's not a defender, I'm not sure he's even a footballer tbh, but your theory of an experienced player being able to perform this quickly didn't apply to Luque, for example. Two games then injured for some several months will do that tbh, then again, am not talking about buying foreign players either. But lets not turn this in to another Luque thread, i'd rather concede the point than talk about him all day. Why would it turn into a Luque thread unless his rent-boys come screaming to his defence like a load of girls? Fact is he's an experienced player who certainly hasn't been able to do a thing even after all this time, let alone after a couple of days. I'd rather they took their time and bring in the right players. This won't be easy if we're going for the right quality. Getting the right player can take time, and it can take a few days. Just because the club is waiting or hasn't signed anyone doesn't mean the player that comes in is going to be of any better quality than one signed now. It could quite possibly be the other way round as when desperation kicks in, even crap players values start to rise come the window closing.

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I assume you're talking about defenders here. Do you really think that signing new defenders to play in a game less than a week away alongside players they have never even trained with before will significantly improve the defense for that game? Is this the same Tottenham who have been able to play their first choice defense for the vast majority of the season and have conceeded the same number of goals as our makeshift one? Its not unknown for professionals who are the top of their game (EPL standard) to be able to adapt quickly in certain situations. I'm sure an experienced defender will be able to put in an astute performance even though he doesn't know his team mates, it happens at NT level all the time, players are in and out of the squad and I'm sure one of these professional athletes with 10 years in the game could easily out perform a 17-19 year old who's played 2-3 games with the senior team, and probably only had 3-4 weeks training with the 1st team under their belt anyway. But on your point, when we do get new defenders in we must wait even longer for them to settle, so end of Feb or March should do it. :roll: I'm sure the current lot will hold out till then. Which other Tottenham do you know of? Well I know he's not a defender, I'm not sure he's even a footballer tbh, but your theory of an experienced player being able to perform this quickly didn't apply to Luque, for example. Two games then injured for some several months will do that tbh, then again, am not talking about buying foreign players either. But lets not turn this in to another Luque thread, i'd rather concede the point than talk about him all day.

I assume you're talking about defenders here. Do you really think that signing new defenders to play in a game less than a week away alongside players they have never even trained with before will significantly improve the defense for that game? Is this the same Tottenham who have been able to play their first choice defense for the vast majority of the season and have conceeded the same number of goals as our makeshift one? Its not unknown for professionals who are the top of their game (EPL standard) to be able to adapt quickly in certain situations. I'm sure an experienced defender will be able to put in an astute performance even though he doesn't know his team mates, it happens at NT level all the time, players are in and out of the squad and I'm sure one of these professional athletes with 10 years in the game could easily out perform a 17-19 year old who's played 2-3 games with the senior team, and probably only had 3-4 weeks training with the 1st team under their belt anyway. But on your point, when we do get new defenders in we must wait even longer for them to settle, so end of Feb or March should do it. :roll: I'm sure the current lot will hold out till then. Which other Tottenham do you know of?

nah, you're wrong. You have to "plan" before the deadline, and everything always goes smoothly, you always get who you want when you want, and it equals guaranteed success. The league and FA Cup are yours. There must be one hell of a lot of teams out there with no "plan" ........ :lol: Talking shit comes second nature doesn't it? please tell us who mentioned a "plan".......and please tell us if it guarantees success, why the 87 clubs who haven't done as well as us over the last decade don't have a "plan" As I said, don't let facts cloud any judgement you might feel you wish to make. What facts are you dishing out apart from your warped opinion? Do you live in the modern world, or is it always about the past with you? We are in a desperate position in terms of who we can play in the next game. One or two players coming in would help a great deal. It doesn't have to be millions spent, loans, swaps or any kind of good buying from the club would of done. We've two difficult games coming up, we lose against Birmingham and half our hope for the remainder of the season is gone, and with the team were going to put out against them, there is a distinct possibility that will happen. Alex Ferguson knew his club needed more strikers, even with Rossi coming back he went out and secured Larsson way before the window opened. But what the fuk would that cunt know about managing a football club compared to the likes of you? Tottenham, a club with a very good buying policy went out and secured players they wanted from the off, good on them, its why they are currently a step ahead of us, and their depth will no doubt show the game after our FA cup tie, while were probably still scratching our heads, and players values keep rising as our desperation kicks in. Spurs have qualified for europe once [or maybe twice] in the past decade. So much for their "plan". Buying an amount of players doesn't mean they will be a success, if they all flop then its a shit "plan". I see you mention manu as well. Thats 2 clubs. Well done. Is that it ? You wouldn't know lack of planning, desperation and a mediocre club if it hit you on the head with a rusty hammer if you think the past decade we have had has been mediocre or a symptom of a club with no "plan". You seem to be jumping on the word 'plan' like its your only argument, which to be fair it is, and i only said 'its not illegal to plan ahead' which makes your replies even more stupid tbh.

nah, you're wrong. You have to "plan" before the deadline, and everything always goes smoothly, you always get who you want when you want, and it equals guaranteed success. The league and FA Cup are yours. There must be one hell of a lot of teams out there with no "plan" ........ :lol: Talking shit comes second nature doesn't it? please tell us who mentioned a "plan".......and please tell us if it guarantees success, why the 87 clubs who haven't done as well as us over the last decade don't have a "plan" As I said, don't let facts cloud any judgement you might feel you wish to make. What facts are you dishing out apart from your warped opinion? Do you live in the modern world, or is it always about the past with you? We are in a desperate position in terms of who we can play in the next game. One or two players coming in would help a great deal. It doesn't have to be millions spent, loans, swaps or any kind of good buying from the club would of done. We've two difficult games coming up, we lose against Birmingham and half our hope for the remainder of the season is gone, and with the team were going to put out against them, there is a distinct possibility that will happen. Alex Ferguson knew his club needed more strikers, even with Rossi coming back he went out and secured Larsson way before the window opened. But what the fuk would that cunt know about managing a football club compared to the likes of you? Tottenham, a club with a very good buying policy went out and secured players they wanted from the off, good on them, its why they are currently a step ahead of us, and their depth will no doubt show the game after our FA cup tie, while were probably still scratching our heads, and players values keep rising as our desperation kicks in.

nah, you're wrong. You have to "plan" before the deadline, and everything always goes smoothly, you always get who you want when you want, and it equals guaranteed success. The league and FA Cup are yours. There must be one hell of a lot of teams out there with no "plan" ........ :lol: Talking shit comes second nature doesn't it?

and all the great boards have spent millions in the last 3 days :lol: As they all spend more than we do Brilliant. None of them have half their team injured. We need bodies, we've had injuries since the summer, we've had them piling on top of each other for about the last two months, it hasn't got any better, its actually getting worse. We should of had players signed before the window opened, you can actually do that you know, its not illegal to plan ahead, its not that difficult to understand. Well its taken Shay Given 3 days before he's felt the need to say something as he knows the extent of the injuries we have, and he also knows what kind of cunt is in charge of the club. which is of course why he's been here for 10 years and signed a new contract. But don't let any facts get in the way of your daft knee jerk reaction expecting the shit board to yet again cough up millions more than all the other boards that are better WTF has that got to do with anything? Fuk me you just make it up as you go along. :roll: Money needs to be spent, i take it your happy for that not to happen?

We either sell Given this summer for big money, or keep him for life. I'd rather just keep him and when he retires, Krul will be able to take over. Have every faith he could be just as good as Given, fingers crossed.

and all the great boards have spent millions in the last 3 days :lol: As they all spend more than we do Brilliant. None of them have half their team injured. We need bodies, we've had injuries since the summer, we've had them piling on top of each other for about the last two months, it hasn't got any better, its actually getting worse. We should of had players signed before the window opened, you can actually do that you know, its not illegal to plan ahead, its not that difficult to understand. Well its taken Shay Given 3 days before he's felt the need to say something as he knows the extent of the injuries we have, and he also knows what kind of c*** is in charge of the club. Amazing stuff. Amazing reply from you and your brother.

and all the great boards have spent millions in the last 3 days :lol: As they all spend more than we do Brilliant. None of them have half their team injured. We need bodies, we've had injuries since the summer, we've had them piling on top of each other for about the last two months, it hasn't got any better, its actually getting worse. We should of had players signed before the window opened, you can actually do that you know, its not illegal to plan ahead, its not that difficult to understand. Well its taken Shay Given 3 days before he's felt the need to say something as he knows the extent of the injuries we have, and he also knows what kind of cunt is in charge of the club.

and all the great boards have spent millions in the last 3 days :lol: As they all spend more than we do Brilliant. None of them have half their team injured. We need bodies, we've had injuries since the summer, we've had them piling on top of each other for about the last two months, it hasn't got any better, its actually getting worse. We should of had players signed before the window opened, you can actually do that you know, its not illegal to plan ahead, its not that difficult to understand.

We will lose this game.

No, its not on and the club are taking the piss. We should of had players signed before the window opened. If we dont have any intention of signing anybody then we are going the right way about it. I feel we may not spend a single penny.

NUFC 3/1 3rd Fav to land Ferguson Everton Fav, Villa 2nd.

And look how well Villa are doing without him.

Why do you think Neil Lennon's a fanny? People say he's dirty, he's not dirty, he's a steady, intelligent defensive midfielder who has had to endure more abuse than any footballer in Scotland for years. Probably even more abuse than Maurice Johnston received. He's had death threats, the works, all for the crime of being a Northern Ireland international who signed for Celtic. I sound like I have a Celtic allegiance, I don't, I couldn't give a fuck about them, but the Neil Lennon situation has spiralled out of control beyond belief, and it's just like a bandwagon people (not just Rangers fans) jump on. He is a fanny, and it's nowt to do with being a dirty footballer. I've seen him mouthing off at people from his motor, he's a proper prick. He loves the whole Old Firm thing, lives his life off it. Anything you read in the papers about "poor Lennon" is just spin, he's probably given as much as he's got. And the death threats he got were harsh, but it was a little ill-advised to say he would prefer to play for a United Ireland team, as opposed to N. Ireland. Lennon's a cunt, he plays on all the sectarian shit as much as anyone. Shame Shearer didn't make full contact tbh.