Dokko

Because Arsenal and Chelsea are going out of their way to lose silly away games and, if we turn up like the Man Utd game, Arsenal are there to be beaten. Especially if distracted by Europa League. But yeah, I'm more confident in us away from home but our next two on the road are Liverpool and Spurs. Not good. I just see manu as an isolated incident and our one off for the season where we beat one of the top 6.

Raising our game against Man Utd and beating them? Forgot that is our normal service.

Where are people getting the confidence from that we will beat arsenal? We couldn't even beat Swansea, Brighton or burnley at home or hold on to a 2 goal lead at Bournemouth.

He'll get a chance next season regardless of what division we're in as Rafa will have most likely left before May is out. Looks like a good move right now for all involved.

Useless fucking cunts.

Imagine supporting a club worth less than a half of larger.

Blackpool?

Fucking hell. Some of those seats aren't even pink any more. Whole club has the plague.

They were questioned by police, so it’s more than getting drunk and breaking a curfew. WBA and the players will naturally want to downplay whatever happened. If the taxi part of the story is true then they deserve sacking, but WBA are not in a position to do that, plus with them being senior players they are of significant financial value to the club and they will want to protect that value as much as possible until they can atleast cash in. Sacking? Fuck off, man. You think it’s not grounds for sacking? I have said why it wouldn’t happen, doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t? Course not. It's massively unprofessional, and they'll be in for some hefty fines, some dropped, some even moved on in the summer, but outright sacking is ludicrous unless someone was hurt. So I don’t get why you took exception to my comment even though I said pretty much what you have said as to why it wouldn’t happen at this level of football. No you said they deserved to be sacked. Course they shouldn't. That's reserved for sparking out a ref, fiddling kids or being Jack Colback.

They were questioned by police, so it’s more than getting drunk and breaking a curfew. WBA and the players will naturally want to downplay whatever happened. If the taxi part of the story is true then they deserve sacking, but WBA are not in a position to do that, plus with them being senior players they are of significant financial value to the club and they will want to protect that value as much as possible until they can atleast cash in. Sacking? Fuck off, man. You think it’s not grounds for sacking? I have said why it wouldn’t happen, doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t? Course not. It's massively unprofessional, and they'll be in for some hefty fines, some dropped, some even moved on in the summer, but outright sacking is ludicrous unless someone was hurt.

They were questioned by police, so it’s more than getting drunk and breaking a curfew. WBA and the players will naturally want to downplay whatever happened. If the taxi part of the story is true then they deserve sacking, but WBA are not in a position to do that, plus with them being senior players they are of significant financial value to the club and they will want to protect that value as much as possible until they can atleast cash in. Sacking? Fuck off, man.

Mint

He's one of their best players when he's on the pitch.

Same chance of staying up as Swansea who were nailed on dead certs a few games ago. Just like wba right now. 17% is bollocks when you look at what we've done so far this season. Optimistically you'd be looking at 50%, along with many other teams.

If he was 6ft 2 with all he has now he'd be making it in the championship. But his size let's him down as a lone striker so he's forced on to wing support and doesn't have enough skills to pull it off. His only chance is a paired support striker, so really under Rafa he's not got any hope of making it. Still hope he cracks it, but time is running out.

They need to do something as the club is slipping through their fingers. It's mag like to care enough about your club to want to do something about its plight. It's also mag like to still turn up and support your team even if you don't like the owner and manager....and because of their inferiority complex they sit and do neither watching their club die.

Relaxed to a 7...just know the man u result will mean fuck all when we don't deliver against Bournemouth and Southampton....dragging us right back in it.

Very brave of him. Fair play.

Form what the lads tell me there is constant investment in the location and site. Id image this Ireland location would be a loop hole they could potentially use to get around any possible tariffs if we don't get an agreement with the EU. They would be mental to completely relocate that factory, it would be suicide for a decade or more until all the new workers are at the same level of skills and experience as the current workers, let alone setting up the production lines from scratch and making sure all the robots and machinery are operating at 100%. The best way for the car companies to continue as is, is for the UK and EU to come to an agreement on trade and movement of goods. You seem to have made the assumption that Nissan operates in Sunderland and nowhere else. They have a huge presence in Barcelona, where the majority of their vans are currently made. The infrastructure is already there, so I'd imagine it's not beyond the wit of one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world to transfer production from one site to another realtively quickly and with little impact on their production process. If it becomes financially unviable to ship parts to the UK from suppliers elsewhere in Europe, and if it becomes increasingly difficult to remain competitive across Europe then what incentive is there to remain? You can whack another couple of grand onto the cost of making a Qashqai in Sunderland based on the governments own figures, and that's before you even consider tarrifs. The thing that really vexes me is that this corner of the country has a long, long history of reliance on industry that sharp f***s off the minute the economics of a particular situation changes. You'd think we'd be wise to that now. Not sticking our fingers in our ears and hoping it won't happen yet again. No, Nissan has the most efficient and productive car plant in Europe located in Sunderland, it would be difficult to suddenly switch all that production from one plant to another and even more difficult to create a new factory from scratch. Even if you switch the production to another existing plant, Nissan cars or a Renault factory producing Nissan cars there's decades worth of manufacturing experience that would be lost and would take years to catch up on. If you switch it to an existing plant then you'll still have to create all the production lines from scratch as I would assume they would not want the current lines affected which would impact their production levels at that current plant and impact car sales. We've seen heavy industry leave these shores and bugger off to all parts with little regard for the apparent experience or expertise of those left behind when the economics change. Why is Nissan apparently immune to these same market forces? Access to Europe was the carrot waved in 1982 to get Nissan to set up shop in Sunderland in the first place. Over the last 30 years they have repeatedly said that not having that access could impact on the long term viability of the Sunderland plant and understandably so. They have suppliers all over Europe that send parts to Sunderland, and the majority of the vehicles built there are then shipped back to the EU. Whack tariffs on importing and exporting goods between the EU and UK, and there will be tariffs if we leave the SM/CU, then the Sunderland plant isn't so efficient. There's some poor b****** in Yokohama with a massive spreadsheet, furiously trying to work all this out and decide whether over the next 30 years it'll work out cheaper to pitch their tent somewhere else within the EU or continue as things are. Maybe I'm less sanguine about this because I live a literal stones throw from Nissan, plenty of my mates work there or for suppliers and the impact of the plant shutting down or even scaling down operations would be f***ing disasterous. At the best of times walking around Washington is like a George A. Romero film, it would be end of days stuff if one of the biggest employers naffed off. Not forgetting all the government subsidies they have had here over the years to invest in that plant. Ill say they aren't going to move lock stock and barrel from that plant. Means bugger all if the sums no longer add up in the next 5, 10, 15 years. I imagine they will probably be able to eek out some further Government support if things go badly over the next 12 months. From a lot of the coverage you can already see Nissan in Sunderland is the bellwether by which people will gauge the ability of post-Brexit Britain to retain and attract external investment. That said, there's going to be a long queue to the door of No. 10 if they start dishing out handouts. Handouts aren't a new thing. Nmuk was given millions by Cameron for winning the new qq.

Form what the lads tell me there is constant investment in the location and site. Id image this Ireland location would be a loop hole they could potentially use to get around any possible tariffs if we don't get an agreement with the EU. They would be mental to completely relocate that factory, it would be suicide for a decade or more until all the new workers are at the same level of skills and experience as the current workers, let alone setting up the production lines from scratch and making sure all the robots and machinery are operating at 100%. The best way for the car companies to continue as is, is for the UK and EU to come to an agreement on trade and movement of goods. You seem to have made the assumption that Nissan operates in Sunderland and nowhere else. They have a huge presence in Barcelona, where the majority of their vans are currently made. The infrastructure is already there, so I'd imagine it's not beyond the wit of one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world to transfer production from one site to another realtively quickly and with little impact on their production process. If it becomes financially unviable to ship parts to the UK from suppliers elsewhere in Europe, and if it becomes increasingly difficult to remain competitive across Europe then what incentive is there to remain? You can whack another couple of grand onto the cost of making a Qashqai in Sunderland based on the governments own figures, and that's before you even consider tarrifs. The thing that really vexes me is that this corner of the country has a long, long history of reliance on industry that sharp fucks off the minute the economics of a particular situation changes. You'd think we'd be wise to that now. Not sticking our fingers in our ears and hoping it won't happen yet again. Wrong. Spain couldn't hang the volume, I've been there and it's nowhere near the size of this place. Nmuk make more cars in Europe that all the other sites combined. The option would be Renault making Nissan cars in Europe. Thry are more equipped short-medium term.

Form what the lads tell me there is constant investment in the location and site. Id image this Ireland location would be a loop hole they could potentially use to get around any possible tariffs if we don't get an agreement with the EU. They would be mental to completely relocate that factory, it would be suicide for a decade or more until all the new workers are at the same level of skills and experience as the current workers, let alone setting up the production lines from scratch and making sure all the robots and machinery are operating at 100%. The best way for the car companies to continue as is, is for the UK and EU to come to an agreement on trade and movement of goods. 1st step would be downsize. Easily done, lots of contractors, then core staff producing cars just for UK. What may end up happening is all Nissan cars for UK built here... Would take some planning but the factory would be as busy as ever and no export tariffs. Reckon the government would stump up grants to make that happen.

Not just the mackems there though is it? Could be the whole of the North East. It would affect the north east massively. It isn’t just Nissan, it is all the suppliers in the region which they rely on. I would be very surprised if they moved elsewhere though, considering the amount of investment they have put into the new Battery plant etc. Either way I am glad I got away from the automotive sector, just in case. We've sold the battery plant. Theres another meeting today with the pm with other Japanese firms, that's all. People making shit up as usual, no one knows how brexit will play out and no one knows what will happen to any business after.

Potential? Their potential is fake. Their paying core of fans isn't what they billed and is now being shown up once Premiership football and free tickets has ended. There's even those who've paid and aren't turning up. This isn't a club with potential. It's a club which tried to keep up with the jones', overspent in the wrong areas, pretended to be bigger than what they are and are now suffering the consequences. No one cares about the club outside of the North East. No one wants to play for them and the fans can't or won't put money in to it via tickets or merchandise. There isn't potential there to make money, there are much bigger clubs in the division in better financial positions who would cost less than their debt. Those are the real sleeping giants. That's a somewhat biased view IMO. They've just been a PL team for 10 years. Yes they hemorrhaged money virtually the whole time they were there, but that was down to inept senior management and absolutely pathetic player recruitment. Whilst I agree no-one really cares about them outside of the North East, the same could be said of Stoke, West Brom, Watford, Burnley, the list goes on. And the fact is they have a considerably larger fanbase than all of those mentioned. For all their faults, and fan-obsession with all things 'Mag', they absolutely have the potential to be an established PL team, although probably not to ever go further and consistently challenge towards the top 8. That said, the current state they find themselves in means they're a million miles away from that, and it's likely to be a long road back. Ah well, never mind. You've totally overestimated them. They've had to sell their soul to the devil himself to stay in the premiership. They don't have the fan base, it was all lies built on free tickets and this has shown true when the chips are down. Just wait till next season when official attendances are in the teens and what turns up being even less. The rats have deserted the ship, a total contrast to the support we enjoyed both times going down.

Potential? Their potential is fake. Their paying core of fans isn't what they billed and is now being shown up once Premiership football and free tickets has ended. There's even those who've paid and aren't turning up. This isn't a club with potential. It's a club which tried to keep up with the jones', overspent in the wrong areas, pretended to be bigger than what they are and are now suffering the consequences. No one cares about the club outside of the North East. No one wants to play for them and the fans can't or won't put money in to it via tickets or merchandise. There isn't potential there to make money, there are much bigger clubs in the division in better financial positions who would cost less than their debt. Those are the real sleeping giants.

Be interesting to see what happens in 2019 when thry have to pay back the loan to the creditors. Its near £100m, thry havent got it, not even if thry sold everything they own. What happens then?