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Who's the much better option? Does he want to sign for us? Who's the better option than £15m for Andy Carroll?, buying nobody for a start. Failing that any quick reasonably talented wide striker. Carroll doesn't fit in with the way we play, I'd have him as a squad player as another option so we can change our play, but for nowhere near that money, and frankly I'd just rather we stayed away altogether.

Hope they get him for £15m We can go for a much better option. Liverpool chuck £20m down the toilet. West Ham chuck £15m down the toilet (probably all of their budget). Carroll will flop under the pressure of keeping them up, they go down.. everyone's a winner, well everyone who supports Newcastle.

Good thing you're not in charge of our transfers then. At least we would get players for positions we actually need them. No we wouldn't, Santon's a left back, let it sink in FFS I'd be happy as a sandboy to see Santon continue on the left and bring in someone like Debuchy, but I think the managemet and Santon himself might argue with your claim. He has already said that he was told that this season he be used more on the right, something which he seemed very pleased about. Could you post a link to that comment? Because I haven't seen him say that anywhere.

Good thing you're not in charge of our transfers then. At least we would get players for positions we actually need them. No we wouldn't, Santon's a left back, let it sink in FFS

5m Euro's is £3.9m, still not a fair price, but it wouldn't be the first time we got a player for an unfair price. In this case though I can't see it happening, hopefully we'll raise it to 6m Euro's and they may begrudgingly accept.

Its a bit of a knobish thing to say but I don't see how it suggests he isn't interested, we're still the only club he's talking about by name. The comment smacks of a poor attempt at hurrying us up.

Good luck with that

It does, but the reporters on SSN are still saying 4m Euro's.

Now SSN are reporting bid "in excess of £4m". But they don't seem to be reporting it as a new bid so maybe its just a mistake? EDIT: Yeah must be a mistake, the txt bit says £4m but the reporter still said 4m Euro's.

Its a pretty insane thing to re-read, people just losing their f***ing marbles to be honest but mostly due to the "Ashley's forced Carroll to leave and will pocket the money" bullshit. I'm not sure how many people actually believed he was worth more than £35m and if they did well.. I don't know what to say to that Happy to say I made it pretty clear in that thread that I didn't think Carroll was worth what Liverpool were offering even at the time of the transfer. As far as Carroll's current value goes, I think he's worth about £15m, that's what I generally always thought he was worth outside of the extra you want to sell an important player late in the window. But I don't think he's worth £15m to us right now. I agree with people who say he shouldn't be a starter for us and I don't think £15m is a good fee for a third choice striker (fourth choice if we play three up front with Ben Arfa). Having said that I wouldn't pay £16m for De Jong either and given the choice of £16m for De Jong and £12m for Carroll (which is what you mentioned earlier though it looks like they want more than that) I'd probably go with the later. Earlier in that famous January transfer window I distinctly remember Spurs being reportedly in for him (didn't 'arry actually say something in public to that effect as well) and the transfer fee quoted was 20 million plus, which a lot of people on here also rejected out of hand as unrealistic. There's a lot of history rewriting going on it seems: back then he was the brightest English striker prospect and the player everybody talked about. That 35 million bid didn't come out of the blue. It may seem daft now, but he was actually well worth over what we're supposedly ready to pay to get him back now (and only if he impresses in a loan first if reports are correct). I do agree to an extent (there was a lot of madness in that thread), but I also think some of its about the different situation we find ourselves in now in comparison to January 2011. I'd have agreed with the people saying £20m wasn't enough for him back then. Because at the time he was our main striker and on top form, plus we were left with very little time to try to replace him. As I said he was worth about £15m IMO outside of the extra you want to sell an important player late in the window. However his worth to us has changed IMO, I still think he's worth about £15m to the right side, just not to us. I'd have no problem with us taking him on loan for a year with the option of signing him for £15m though.

I didn't mention any laws since that wasn't my point. AFAIK there's no law against using any term, only a law against using a term to incite. My only point was I don't believe Ferdinand's bullshit excuse. Which was something like "I just meant it as a way to say he was being fake". He stops short of describing the full meaning, its just as bad as the term Terry used.

I only saw what apparently was written repeated in numerous publications, which admittedly can totally twist things, what I read was: Some dick end: "Looks like Ashley Cole's going to be their choc ice," "Then again he's always been a sell out. Shame on him." Ferdinand: "I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic! hahahahahahha!!" If there's something else I'd be genuinely interested to see it.

Its a pretty insane thing to re-read, people just losing their fucking marbles to be honest but mostly due to the "Ashley's forced Carroll to leave and will pocket the money" bullshit. I'm not sure how many people actually believed he was worth more than £35m and if they did well.. I don't know what to say to that Happy to say I made it pretty clear in that thread that I didn't think Carroll was worth what Liverpool were offering even at the time of the transfer. As far as Carroll's current value goes, I think he's worth about £15m, that's what I generally always thought he was worth outside of the extra you want to sell an important player late in the window. But I don't think he's worth £15m to us right now. I agree with people who say he shouldn't be a starter for us and I don't think £15m is a good fee for a third choice striker (fourth choice if we play three up front with Ben Arfa). Having said that I wouldn't pay £16m for De Jong either and given the choice of £16m for De Jong and £12m for Carroll (which is what you mentioned earlier though it looks like they want more than that) I'd probably go with the later.

He used it, but not in the same context as it was previously tweeted to him. Pretty much like this case, if you like. That's what he claims, I find it very hard to believe that he didn't know exactly what was meant by the term.

Actually it was £35,012,000

Terrible ball into him, you should never play a ball across in that position.

The camera angle is utter shit!

Guaranteed if he plays a certain number of games maybe, otherwise I don't see the point of the loan?

Selling Carroll for £15m and buying him back a year later for £35m would be more a Shepherd type deal..

Insane money. Would rather have Carroll back for £12m. I'd rather pay 16m for De Jong than pay 12m for Carroll tbh. I wouldn't. The cheaper option is much more proven at this level. The point about bringing in players from leagues like the Eredivisie is that they provide better price vs quality. Luuk de Jong at 16 million doesn't quite frankly. While all that is true, at least De Jong has the versatility to fit different systems and actually has the potential to be worth that amount of money. While Carroll is just a huge waste at 12m especially when you consider he isn't much more than a rotation option. I wouldn't do either deals personally, but if i was backed into a corner and i had to make one of those deals i'd take the De Jong one. Carroll was worth 3 times that amount one and a half year ago man. That's not opinion, it's fact. And most of us on here thought we got the short straw in that deal too, at the time.. Well you can argue that whatever someone is willing to pay is what a players worth but I still wouldn't say its fact that he was worth £35m just because Liverpool were stupid enough to pay it. Also I think only the rarest of crazies on here thought that £35m for Andy Carroll wasn't a fantastic fee as long as it was used to improve us (which it was).

Wow, I really thought they were just talking big, but they've actually gotten the fee they wanted, £16m that's mental!

We're probably off signing another player while all the journo's froth at the mouth over this piss take offer for Carroll

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-striker-Andy-Carroll-worth-f-all-claims-Newcastle-MD-Derek-Llambias-article829815.html Whoops.

IF its true that Carroll knew about the offer 3 days ago than it seems likely we've let him know to gauge his opinion on it, if we're now making the offer than it'd seem he's agreeable to it.

Maybe i have missed something as the post are coming fast and furious and i am skim reading them. What stops Liverpool from taking him back after the season if he does amazing and selling him on to another club for a bigger fee than arranged with us? or is that not an option? If the loan arrangement says they have to sell to us for a fixed fee after the years up than they can't get out of it unless Carroll turned us down.