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I'm sure nearly all Premiership clubs have debts, its not a massive deal at all. But having a big debt and running costs you can't afford to the tune of £35 million a season is. That's my view. I honestly don't think you'll find a single club in the Premiership who lost that kind of money yet still spent in the transfer market, appart from a club who isn't run as a business like Man City.

He replied to you. Yes and I replied to him before that when he originally brought Villa into the discussion, so what? How difficult is it to understand that I would like him to admit he's wrong on one issue before bringing up another? I just read a couple of posts where you mentioned Villa, then had a go at Parky for discussing them. I didn't follow the conversation from the beginning tbh, sorry. Ah right actually it might be my fault because I shortened one of Parky's quotes in my reply to try to shorten the post a bit.

He replied to you. Yes and I replied to him before that when he originally brought Villa into the discussion, so what? How difficult is it to understand that I would like him to admit he's wrong on one issue before bringing up another? Are Everton carrying 85m debt or not? Is that the point or not?, no its not. Show me one comment where I claimed any Premiership team wasn't in debt. My very first comment was that debts are acceptable, but what isn't acceptable is a continuing debt which spirals out of control. Everton have a debt and costs they can afford, they made no loss last year and contrary to what you say there wages take up just short of 66% of there income.

He replied to you. Yes and I replied to him before that when he originally brought Villa into the discussion. What I'm saying is I would like him to admit he's wrong on one issue before bringing up another.

How difficult is this man? Read carefully, you said Everton were spending more money on wages then they were bringing in to the club. I told you it wasn't true, you argued and I showed you the accounts proving you're wrong. If you can't at least recognise you're wrong on such an obvious matter then its pointless to move onto any other discussion. NOTE I didn't say Premiership clubs weren't in debt, stop being childish, read and post sensibly please

Yeah I asked about Villa after he brought them up, and?

Now you're just confusing me. It would help if you could stick to a couple of things at a time. You post about Everton, I tell you its not true and now we're talking about Villa. How about a "fair enough I got it wrong, but what about Villa".

I'd be extremely surprised, especially since its not true. Really? Yes really, there 2008 accounts show that £44 million was spent on wages, while the total income was £75 million. Man Utd £453m debt Chelsea £620m debt Arsenal £268m debt Liv £105m debt5. Everton: Failed to raise enough revenue to cancel out their wage bill during 2006/07, and in fact were left with a deficit of £8.1 million, despite finishing sixth in the league and being well below the Premiership wage average. The club was also below the league average for stadium utilisation last season. No they didn't, I really don't know where you're getting your info on Everton.. income in 2006-2007 for Everton was £51.4 million, wages were £38.5 million. They didn't raise enough to cover all costs not wages alone. That followed a dip in income due to catering and other facilities being outsourced (in other words they lost revenue to cut operating costs). As I said Manure ect being in debt isn't the same thing as completely out of control losses year after year. As for the other clubs you mentioned, one of them just made a £35 million profit in the transfer market, the other a £9 million profit and the other is basically owned by a country and will spend regardless of finances at the club.. So how do they relate to your opinion that we should be investing despite our losses? Aston Villa I've got no idea on, but who's betting they aren't making losses of £35 million a year? Deloittes: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2301797/Deloitte-football-finance-review-Club-by-club-Premier-League-analysis.html Villa? 6. Aston Villa: Finished the 2006/07 season with the fifth highest assets in the country (£35 million) and increased their home match attendances to 94.8 per cent of their 40,375 capacity stadium. They were also one of the top six investors in facilities in that season, injecting £9.9 million. However, their wage expenditure exceeded the income generated from revenue, leaving them £1.2 million in deficit. The club also recorded £63 million of debt in the summer of 2007. The PL as a whole is 3 billion in debt. It's an issue across most clubs not just ours. But...but, but.... mackems.gif Why did you post that link? Can you at least except you're mistakes on previous arguments before moving on to others, especially if you're going to act like a four year old a few posts after being proven wrong.. I'll make it simple for you so we can move on. You're comment "Everton for instance, Everton for instance. Wages higher than income." You were completely wrong there yes?

I'd be extremely surprised, especially since its not true. Really? Yes really, there 2008 accounts show that £44 million was spent on wages, while the total income was £75 million. Man Utd £453m debt Chelsea £620m debt Arsenal £268m debt Liv £105m debt5. Everton: Failed to raise enough revenue to cancel out their wage bill during 2006/07, and in fact were left with a deficit of £8.1 million, despite finishing sixth in the league and being well below the Premiership wage average. The club was also below the league average for stadium utilisation last season. No they didn't, I really don't know where you're getting your info on Everton.. income in 2006-2007 for Everton was £51.4 million, wages were £38.5 million. That followed a dip in income due to catering and other facilities being outsourced (in other words they lost revenue to cut operating costs). As I said Manure ect being in debt isn't the same thing as completely out of control losses year after year. As for the other clubs you mentioned, one of them just made a £35 million profit in the transfer market, the other a £9 million profit and the other is basically owned by a country and will spend regardless of finances at the club.. So what's your point? Aston Villa I've got no idea on, but who's betting they aren't making losses of £35 million a year? http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/oct/22/premierleague Nothing there backs up your claim. It shows that in 2006-2007 Everton made a £9 million loss, that hasn't been disputed because its not even what you said. You claimed Everton spent more on wages alone then they brought into the club, I've told you its not true, not for 2006-2007 and even less so for 2007-2008 with the increased TV money. Here are the 2006-2007 accounts for you straight from Evertons website: http://www.evertonfc.com/assets/_files/documents/jan_08/efc__1199722913_Report_and_Accounts.pdf and for 2008 from toffeeweb http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/08-09/news/2008_Accounts.pdf

I'd be extremely surprised, especially since its not true. Really? Yes really, there 2008 accounts show that £44 million was spent on wages, while the total income was £75 million. Man Utd £453m debt Chelsea £620m debt Arsenal £268m debt Liv £105m debt5. Everton: Failed to raise enough revenue to cancel out their wage bill during 2006/07, and in fact were left with a deficit of £8.1 million, despite finishing sixth in the league and being well below the Premiership wage average. The club was also below the league average for stadium utilisation last season. No they didn't, I really don't know where you're getting your info on Everton.. income in 2006-2007 for Everton was £51.4 million, wages were £38.5 million. They didn't raise enough to cover all costs not wages alone. That followed a dip in income due to catering and other facilities being outsourced (in other words they lost revenue to cut operating costs). As I said Manure ect being in debt isn't the same thing as completely out of control losses year after year. As for the other clubs you mentioned, one of them just made a £35 million profit in the transfer market, the other a £9 million profit and the other is basically owned by a country and will spend regardless of finances at the club.. So how do they relate to your opinion that we should be investing despite our losses? Aston Villa I've got no idea on, but who's betting they aren't making losses of £35 million a year?

Asset strip? Do you know what asset stripping it? These people you're referring to are so clever they don't even realise this club is in financial meltdown. They seem to think every penny they put into the club should be free to spend on players. "Where's the season ticket money gone".. its been used to pay Damien fucking Duff you cretin! So what's the difference between us and the other 80% of the PL in debt? Having a debt isn't a problem as long as you can afford the interest ect. The problem is a debt that's spiralling out of control year after year. £35 million down a hole last year alone for fuck sake!! 80% of PL clubs are not bleeding anywhere near that kind of money. The majority of them would be bankrupt in no time if they did. I suggest you take a look at the accounts of other clubs. I have. Which clubs? The other clubs in the league that have been run into the ground? You can easily google PL clubs and their debt. Everton for instance. Wages higher than income. Surprised? I'd be extremely surprised, especially since its not true. Really? Yes really, their 2008 accounts show that £44 million was spent on wages, while the total income was £75 million.

Asset strip? Do you know what asset stripping it? These people you're referring to are so clever they don't even realise this club is in financial meltdown. They seem to think every penny they put into the club should be free to spend on players. "Where's the season ticket money gone".. its been used to pay Damien fucking Duff you cretin! So what's the difference between us and the other 80% of the PL in debt? Having a debt isn't a problem as long as you can afford the interest ect. The problem is a debt that's spiralling out of control year after year. £35 million down a hole last year alone for fuck sake!! 80% of PL clubs are not bleeding anywhere near that kind of money. The majority of them would be bankrupt in no time if they did. I suggest you take a look at the accounts of other clubs. I have. Which clubs? The other clubs in the league that have been run into the ground? You can easily google PL clubs and their debt. Everton for instance. Wages higher than income. Surprised? I'd be extremely surprised, especially since its not true.

Asset strip? Do you know what asset stripping it? These people you're referring to are so clever they don't even realise this club is in financial meltdown. They seem to think every penny they put into the club should be free to spend on players. "Where's the season ticket money gone".. its been used to pay Damien fucking Duff you cretin! So what's the difference between us and the other 80% of the PL in debt? Having a debt isn't a problem as long as you can afford the interest ect. The problem is a debt that's spiralling out of control year after year. £35 million down a hole last year alone for fuck sake!! 80% of PL clubs are not bleeding anywhere near that kind of money. The majority of them would be bankrupt in no time if they did. I suggest you take a look at the accounts of other clubs. I have. Which clubs? The other clubs in the league that have been run into the ground?

Asset strip? Do you know what asset stripping it? These people you're referring to are so clever they don't even realise this club is in financial meltdown. They seem to think every penny they put into the club should be free to spend on players. "Where's the season ticket money gone".. its been used to pay Damien fucking Duff you cretin! So what's the difference between us and the other 80% of the PL in debt? The difference is a controlled debt which you can afford the repayments on and a debt continually spiralling out of control. £35 million down a hole last year alone for fuck sake!! 80% of PL clubs are not bleeding anywhere near that kind of money. The majority of them would be bankrupt in no time if they did.

Asset strip? Do you know what asset stripping is? These people you're referring to are so clever they don't even realise this club is in financial meltdown. They seem to think every penny they put into the club should be free to spend on players. "Where's the season ticket money gone".. its been used to pay Damien fucking Duff you cretin!

Exactly, this list goes purely on money brought in, it only shows that we would be rich if we can get rid of the over paid players and other unecessary costs.

Why the fuck do we need a 'trouble shooter'? We brought Kinnear in temporarily because the club was for sale. If Kinnears out then why the fuck aren't we going for a proper permanent manager??

Amazes me all this. We're in a relegation battle so lets create more turmoil.. Our finances are crap so lets boycott club merchandise and tickets so our losses increase even further. Maybe this time Ashley won't be able to afford to keep it solvent and we'll go into administration, wouldn't that be nice.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/02/11/newcastle-united-will-stay-in-premier-league-72703-22903902/ http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/02/11/mike-ashley-did-not-miss-nufc-dubai-meeting-72703-22903899/ http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/02/11/llambias-hull-city-protest-was-tough-to-take-72703-22903901/ http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/02/11/derek-llambias-lifts-lid-on-n-zogbia-and-given-72703-22904206/ We'll hear Llambias telling lies and talking nonsense. That's my confident prediction anyway.

We haven't lost to Everton at home for over 7 years. Five wins and two draws for us in the last seven meetings. Lets hope that record stands up on the 22nd.

But they weren't bidding £15 million, or even close. If a manager says we'll sell for £15 million and a club keep making bids well short of that how's that any different then bidding for a player who isn't available? Bit of a co-incidence as well isn't it, that Ramos (or more accurately Commolli) and Redknapp both wanted Downing.

Spurs who cried when Man Utd tried to tap Berbatov up when they spent all summer and subsequently all winter trying to unsettle players. Horrible club, horrible fans, horrible manager, horrible players, horrible chairman. Hope they go down on the last day following a Jenas own goal and a Dawson red card. good point. f*** them. This is bullshit. Man Utd unsettled Carrick and Berbatov in recent times, and the pursuit of them both was over a lengthy period, where they didnt put any sort of offers until the last minute. Berbatov - didnt he threaten to not play? Spurs never publicly pursuit anyone until Harry came and even then they would bid for a player when they made their interest known. When the club said no, that was the end of it. That is just one man, hardly Tottenham as a whole. Man Utd they don't stop, they are sly with transfer top to bottom. You ever heard of Stewart Downing? They bid and Boro reject - he spoke about the fact he wanted Downing and their chairman had made a bid. Once it was rejected moved onto over targets never spoke of him again. Like i say it all comes out of Harry - it's hardly an excuse to hate the club because a single guy talks about other clubs' players. Point still stands though Man Utd are far, far worse. Man they've been after Downing for well over a year. They made bids last year and each one was rejected, before more speculation, more unsettling comments and then another bid. Then in January they went for him again, made a bid which was rejected and made another bid. They finally took no for an answer over a year after they first went for him.

Spurs who cried when Man Utd tried to tap Berbatov up when they spent all summer and subsequently all winter trying to unsettle players. Horrible club, horrible fans, horrible manager, horrible players, horrible chairman. Hope they go down on the last day following a Jenas own goal and a Dawson red card. good point. f*** them. This is bullshit. Man Utd unsettled Carrick and Berbatov in recent times, and the pursuit of them both was over a lengthy period, where they didnt put any sort of offers until the last minute. Berbatov - didnt he threaten to not play? Spurs never publicly pursuit anyone until Harry came and even then they would bid for a player when they made their interest known. When the club said no, that was the end of it. That is just one man, hardly Tottenham as a whole. Man Utd they don't stop, they are sly with transfer top to bottom. You ever heard of Stewart Downing?

Not so sure about that anymore. The Bolton thing was a sign. palacios was fuckin immense yesterday, unless he gets injured i think they'll slowly start to pull it together with him chopping people up properly instead of fairy's like jenas and zokora keane will bag some goals as well...i WANT them to go down but they won't, they just won't Will you change your mind if they don't win a league game in March? i will if they don't win a league game by may! you looked at their fixtures? i haven't being honest, why do you mention march? hard month for them? remember 4/5 wins will get them to safety (probably), can't see how they won't beat 5 teams...unless they've played most of the shit already, but they can't have played it all They don't have a pretty run in like. I have and I see maybe one win for them in March and that's if Boro play shite. just looked, they've got 4 home games they'll win imo (inc us) and they'll scrape a draw or two on the road plus there's always a surprise or two, see where you're coming from though - it might be very close for them They'll beat us will they? Why's that then?

World beaters? We aren't no but we're still better then the Spuds. Despite having the worst injury record in the league and despite all the players they just bought which were, once again, supposed to revive their fortunes.