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I think Van Gaal might fancy the challenge and we'd pay him a canny bit more than Alkmaar. Doubt he's even on Shepherd's radar though in any case.

 

I think he wouldn't have been 2-3 weeks ago. Think he would now though. I think he'd relish it. He's been going on about how a team with Martins, Dyer, Solano & Butt should be pushing top 4...well come on then, show us how it's done Louis.

Then he's an idiot.

I think Van Gaal might fancy the challenge and we'd pay him a canny bit more than Alkmaar. Doubt he's even on Shepherd's radar though in any case.

 

someone said theyre paying him shitloads, can't see why the fuck he would want to come here

For the money and the challenge, possibly. Like I said though, I can't see it happening. I'm struggling to think of why anyone decent would want to come here tbh. I don't believe they've got more financial clout than us though.

 

....if we wait Rijkaard and Benitez will be out of jobs in the summer.

wrong.

It was very disappointing because, although AZ were better on the night and deserved to win, I wasn't that impressed with them.

 

Dyer is far more effective playing down the middle, either as a withdrawn striker or attacking midfielder. He ended up drifting inside to try and make things happen, and while I don't blame him for trying to get involved (particularly as no-one else was producing anything), it messed up our shape.

 

Eventually Roeder realised the need to play Dyer inside, but he didn't want to bite the bullet and abandon the tactic of hoofing it on to Sibierski's head. The result was our shape got worse after the substitutions.

 

All we needed was one goal, and we ought to have got it. Their defence wasn't any better than the one that showed up at St James's. Overall, I think Roeder has done a good job, but he got it wrong last night.

 

How has he done a good job?

 

Transfers - why did he completely ignore our most desperate requirements.

Tactically - inept

Substitutions - NOT PATTINSON YOU ARSE!

Motivation - seemingly zero

 

 

 

he didn't ignore them but was unable to get what he wanted/needed....unlike some previous managers who if they couldn't get the right one would just get anyone.right one or anyone,you decide ?

 

He was unable to get what he wanted?? WE HAVE NO LEFT BACK. ANd a championship centre back. If he couldn't find what he needed, he should be taken outside and shot, because thats a core function of his job. The f****** idiot.

finding and getting are two seperate things...yet again i'll ask,do you want us signing more sub-standard players for the sake of it or wiating to get someone you want ?

We don't even know he tried. Funny, he managed to find a player we DIDN'T need, but not soem we did. He had 2 windows, and he did fuck all. Not good enough.

Oh, and MANY MANY players are better than Babayaro and Shambles, so if he couldn't attract one, fuck him.

Picking Huntington at left-back...what a f*cking joke. Don't normally get like this, but any f*cker who'd sooner have the likes of him & Ramage ahead of Carr & Babayaro want their f*cking heads examined man. He was f*cking gang raped up the a*se so much last night it was almost paedophilic.

I would play Huntington ahead of Babayaro and Carr at left back, but only because he's not Carr or Babayaro - HE is poor, THEY are a fucking disgrace.

Its not a joke.Its a dream which is going to become a reality soon.

He was awesome last night, wouldn't you agree?

 

With the exception of last night and the matches before it where he was poor.

What are you basing last night's assessment on btw?

And indeed other games?

well yeah what i mean for our forwards is owen and martins

POTENTIALLY, as good as Liverpools, not as good as Chelsea, Man Utd or Arsenal.

We are unpredictable and too inconsistent so when we dont expect anything from them they proof us wrong

Im expecting win against Charlton,win against Shef Un,lost against Pompey,win against Watford and draw against Reading

Wow. Whatever you're smoking, i want some.

Signing Ronaldo would have only curtailed Ameobi's development anyway, so it is for the best.

 

Curtailed ameobi's development? What development?

Maybe he's doing his AAT, and only one player is allowed to do that at any one time?

Certainly can't be development as a footballer, because Shola is only one of them by default.

If we can get Sibierski prolific I think there is a chance we could get one of the most natural finishers ever to notch one or two.

snigger.

Ive still got faith in the lad.I think he will become a better player in the future.

 

I agree dude. A manager who would give him a f****** bollocking for acting like a tard would help as well.

"STOP f****** ABOUT STEVEN YOU FANNY!"

"..oh..ok sorry..."

*Biiing* becomes best defender EVAR...

 

He will become a great player trust me and he will become the captain of England one day.And thats the bottom line because Stone Cold said so.

Captain of England? heh heh, nice one.

I havnt watch the match yet,so I didnt know what he could have done for both of the goals we conceded.Nevertheless,I still hear it was poor defending from our side that cost us the goals,so Shay Given couldnt do much about it probably.And I cannot believe and Im replying to this thread.

Neither can i, given that you don't know what happened in the game.

so our forwards r ok compared to the top 4. now lets compare the rest of our team with the top 4......WE ARE RUBBISH

One of our forwards is ok next to the top 4, another is POSSIBLY going to get there. Teh others are utter shite.

It was very disappointing because, although AZ were better on the night and deserved to win, I wasn't that impressed with them.

 

Dyer is far more effective playing down the middle, either as a withdrawn striker or attacking midfielder. He ended up drifting inside to try and make things happen, and while I don't blame him for trying to get involved (particularly as no-one else was producing anything), it messed up our shape.

 

Eventually Roeder realised the need to play Dyer inside, but he didn't want to bite the bullet and abandon the tactic of hoofing it on to Sibierski's head. The result was our shape got worse after the substitutions.

 

All we needed was one goal, and we ought to have got it. Their defence wasn't any better than the one that showed up at St James's. Overall, I think Roeder has done a good job, but he got it wrong last night.

 

How has he done a good job?

 

Transfers - why did he completely ignore our most desperate requirements.

Tactically - inept

Substitutions - NOT PATTINSON YOU ARSE!

Motivation - seemingly zero

 

 

 

he didn't ignore them but was unable to get what he wanted/needed....unlike some previous managers who if they couldn't get the right one would just get anyone.right one or anyone,you decide ?

He was unable to get what he wanted?? WE HAVE NO LEFT BACK. ANd a championship centre back. If he couldn't find what he needed, he should be taken outside and shot, because thats a core function of his job. The fucking idiot.

Of course Roeder shoyuld be blamed.

He shouldn't be in the job, but for as long as he IS, and he is at fault like he was last night, he will rightly be lambasted.

I wonder what Leazes thinks of Roeder's comments on his defenders not being good enough. After all, it's forwards we need, right?

 

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Not far from some people's behaviuor on the Luque thing.

Isn't it about time that the myth that Steven Taylor is a top defender was finally blown.

I watched Taylor in our reserve team and he looked great at that level and also had the physical attributes to cut it at the highest level.

When he was introduced to the first team he looked a bit raw and had an occasional un-necessary thuggish side to his game but I hoped he would learn quickly.

Having watched him since he has not improved and although Bramble is usually made the scapegoat alongside Taylor even he looks good.

Taylor maintains the un-necesary thuggish side to his game which will cost his side dearly and it seems he cannot eliminate from his game.

He loses his man too often and loses out in critical areas. The penalty he conceded in the home leg was punishment for his habit of closing down with his arms at his side to make himself broader -another habit which will cost his side dearly. He was woeful for the first goal last night.

Talk of Taylor to Chelsea seems strange, on current form Taylor is more likely to make his living at Barnsley than Chelsea. Right now he looks no better than Steven Caldwell did at his age.

Still better than Shambles.

People also seem to forget his simply world class save he put onto the crossbar. But lets blame Given for our defenders not being good enough, maybe he can also take some for our misses as if he had trained our midfielders/strikers how to beat a keeper they might have put them away.

It was Givens fault that Roeder wasted £5m on Duff when we should have bought a LB/CB. Tbh. Imho. Afaik. Itk.

I think we should just bite the bullet and do it now when we probably couldn't get any quality European managers anyway.

 

At worst, he's a very good man-manager and disciplinarian with questionable tactical skills. That's loads better than Roeder, an OK man-manager and disciplinarian with utter dog**** tactical skills.

 

Who knows, he may even come good. Considering that a Shearer appointment is inevitable at some point down the road, we may as well try now.

Prove him being a good man manager.

Prove him being a disciplinarian.

He has no tactical skills that we know of.

Bad, bad idea.

i think we have seen the end of titus, thank fuck.

That would be nice, if Roeder was not such a wanker.

It was very disappointing because, although AZ were better on the night and deserved to win, I wasn't that impressed with them.

 

Dyer is far more effective playing down the middle, either as a withdrawn striker or attacking midfielder. He ended up drifting inside to try and make things happen, and while I don't blame him for trying to get involved (particularly as no-one else was producing anything), it messed up our shape.

 

Eventually Roeder realised the need to play Dyer inside, but he didn't want to bite the bullet and abandon the tactic of hoofing it on to Sibierski's head. The result was our shape got worse after the substitutions.

 

All we needed was one goal, and we ought to have got it. Their defence wasn't any better than the one that showed up at St James's. Overall, I think Roeder has done a good job, but he got it wrong last night.

 

How has he done a good job?

 

Transfers - why did he completely ignore our most desperate requirements.

Tactically - inept

Substitutions - NOT PATTINSON YOU ARSE!

Motivation - seemingly zero

 

 

On transfers, I think Roeder has the same problem as Robson and Souness - a Chairman who's secretive, difficult to work with and tries to make his own mind up rather than relying on the judgement of his manager.

 

Motivation - I think the players generally play for Roeder.

 

Tactics and team selection - usually okay, although not at his best last night. I think there's an issue of expectations here. Following the Robson era, we still expect to see a top four side, but we're not any more. That's been chucked away and it'll take a long while before we get back up there.

 

But I admit, last night was a cock-up. As Roeder himself said, no-one played particularly well, and that's an indication that the team as a whole wasn't set up right.

ROEDER chose to not get a left back.

ROEDER chose to get a CB half a season too late, and not even a permanent one.

ROEDER chose to buy a player we didn't need a TENTH as much as we needed others.

ROEDER chooses to play Carr at left back.

ROEDER chooses to play Shambles.

ROEDER will choose to play SHola as soon as he is fit.

ROEDER chooses to play Dyer where he effectively destroys all supply from one flank.

ROEDER keeps playing Duff.

ROEDER throws Pattinson on as a tactical sustitution.

ROEDER is unable to change the way we play.

ROEDER mandates the "hit it to the big man" SHITE we play.

ROEDER has no ideas.

None of those things are anyones fault but Roeder.

Get the fucker out, he's rubbish. As many of us said he woudl be.

The extra gates, prize money, and prestige European competitions give us far outweighs any sort of immaterial advantage we could gain from "concentrating on the league" tbh.

 

Personally, I'm still hoping we'll nick an Intertoto spot this season. Not that I think it's very likely, but I have to find some way to attatch meaning to the game we have left.

"Prize money" for finsihing a couple of places up the league is better than that in the UEFA cup, i reckon. ANd the gates are not much to shout about, given their size.

As for prestige, there is no prestige to be gained from being shit in Europe.

We won't have to worry about it next season as we won't be playing in Europe

 

Plainly Roeder agrees with me and is ensuring we don't qualify for the Intertoto. There can't be any other reason can there? 

 

You mean we aren't even going to defend our major European trophy.

Only fair to give other teams a go. A big team like us, we'd just spoil it for everyone else.

between one and four.

I dont understand the defence of Bramble in this thread. Hes getting picked on because its the same shit weve seen from him since his Ipswich days, and he was the main culprit last night for me. Huntington was worse, but for ffs, hes a kid, a right footed centreback, who probably isnt good enough for Premiership level for all we know, being played out of position against a good attacking European side. At least theres an explanation as to why this lad was so fucking shiite, but is Bramble a kid being played out of position against a class of opposition hes never played against? Is that what lengths we are going to go to, to defend Bramble - use an out of position kid's performance as being the standard by which we measure Bramble's performance?

 

Yes, the entire defence was shit, as was the whole team, but Bramble's mistakes were those which weve seen a million times. Hell never learn. He will never use his brain to defend. He will never mark his man first and foremost, or be aware of where his man is. He will always ball watch, he will always lunge in for the ball. He will always make sloppy, sliced, idiotic clearances that puts the players around him under pressure. He will always cost us goals.

 

Taylor is an infinitely better centreback. He definitely has his faults, he definitely makes mistakes, but hes still young and hes got time on his side. Apart from being a bit of a thug, he doesnt suffer from the "no brain" syndrome that Titus does. His mistakes arent the same ones over and over again, game after game, season after season. At least with him, theres some hope.

Spot on, but you've SEEN the defences of Shambles over the past few weeks.

Playing in Europe is always a good experience - particularly for younger players. However - we look miles away from being a European side at the moment, so I think we can forget about qualifying for the UEFA Cup for at least the very next campaign.

 

Will be interesting to see how the side respond to this - my money is that we'll limp to the end of the season, picking up one or two wins. Many of the players will already be thinking about their summer holidays now.

 

At least Roeder may drop Bramble now - bet he doesn't though.

Of course he won't. Because Roeder is just as shite a manager as Shambles is a defender.