Northern Monkey

How many consistent top strikers are knocking about on a free?

Then we should have spent some money and got one.

I'll leave you to make more stuff up to turn an (at best, probably below) average striker into the new Alan Shearer. I have to be up in the morning to go to the cricket.

When he scores 9 league goals, some fans will no doubt pretrend thats godo enough, and claim he's great. Me, i'd rather we'd have bought a decent, hungry, improving striker. But hey, i'm just a crazy optimist.

Genuinely can't see how replacing Sibierski with Viduka could possibly be turned into a negative.

 

I guess there's no pleasing some people though, is there? 

 

some of us have longer memories and do not see the previous player as the standard to be bettered, especially as there is a different manager and owner

 

Fair enough, but would you agree that Viduka is a vast improvement on Sibierski?

 

 

the phrase 'vast improvement' does a diservice to Sibierski and completely ignores massive flaws in Viduka

 

you can't even say they are a direct replacement, Sibierski wasn't even a striker

 

What massive flaws?

 

Dod you ever see him before last season?? :lol:

 

Yes. You clearly didn't. His goal record will hold up to anyone's and his natural ability on the ball is fantastic.

 

1 in 4 (near as dammit), like i said.

 

Why have you missed out the season he got 20 in 33? or 17 in 34? Or last season?

Last season wasn't in doubt he did well. I only went back 3, i was in a rush. The facts are what they are - he is not a consistent top striker.

Wonder how much of Viduka the whingers and whiners have seen over the past two seasons and how much they have to go on other than boring cliches about him being fat and lazy.

 

I wager 'absolutely fuck all'.

 

Here we go again: I've seen [X player/Y league] a hundred gazillion times, so i know i'm right.

 

I never said that though, so don't misquote me.

 

It was a general comment, put your handbag down, pet.

 

Suggest you don't quote me when saying it then.

 

Suggest all you like. Your post was typical of that kind of shite, so i used it to quote. Tough.

 

Fucking clueless.

 

 

Abuse disguised as a comment. Not a surprise, but welcome nonetheless. You haven't let me down, thank you.

 

Viduka has never ever scored 1 in 4 in a season in English football. That shows EXACTLY how much you know about him.

 

05/06 - 7 in 27 league games. Oh, and 3 assists.

 

04/05 - 5 in 16. 1 assist.

 

03/04 - 11 in 30. 3 assists.

 

Thats (roughly) - 1 in 4, 1 on 3, 1 in 3. And a shite assist record.

 

Sugggest you add on the 6 in 9 he got in the UEFA Cup, because after Christmas Boro were putting out reserve sides in the league so they could get there, and he was easily the most important player in doing so.

The only comparitor is league goals. Of course, unsurprisingly, you are trying to re-write history now. Fact is, in the league games he played, thats how many he scored.

If we won the league, Northern Monkey would be on here moaning we didn't do the double. FACT!

 

Your facts are as worthwhile as your opinions, which is heartening to know.

 

Why thank you, you're all heart.

Hey, i'm here to support you and your ilk. Its a public service, i like to give a little back.

If both Milner and Shaun Wright-Phillips were playing at their best, then SWP would probably be the better player. However, i get the feeling that we'll see more of Milner playing well consitently, whereas Wright-Phillips will come in fits and spurts, what with his career being damaged so significantly. He was arguably England's best attacking prospect at City, certainly the brightest new midfield hope, but the move to Chelsea has lessened any chance of a blinding career, which he could so easily have had.

 

He's still young, but it's a £6-10m gamble that just isn't worth it for me, and plus it's not exactly a problem area.

 

Look deeper into Chelsea's squad and get Geremi, who can play in one of our problem areas, and two of our other areas that need strengthening. He's great at right-back, while good on the wing and can also play a defensive midfield role. And he'd cost a lot less than Wright-Phillips.

 

I'm not sure what you're basing the fact that Milner will be consistently better than SWP on, if you look back to the last time SWP had a consistent run in the team (which he'd have if he played for us) he was one of the best wingers in the league, people also seem to have a selective memory where Milner is concerned because up until he scored past Man Utd this season he was putting in some very average performances.

 

Well even if you're right, even if SWP would become consistent... why bother blowing another £8/9/10m when we've already got someone in Milner; who, in a couple of years time, could even be a better player? Honestly just don't see the need to go splashing out on SWP.

 

And btw, Milner was just alright up until Christmas. After the turn of the year, he was just about always our best player on the pitch.

 

Because we improve the team now, I'm not suggesting we do a Roeder and blow all our money on a winger but if Ashley is putting significant funds into the club for transfers then SWP would be a big upgrade on Milner.

 

Milner will never be up to the level that SWP could be for us IMO, his restrictions are there for all to see.

 

As are SWP's. What are you basing his greatness on, because for the majority if games i saw him play in his time at Chelsea, he was poor.

 

When SWP has had a consistent run in the team his ability is far better than anything Milner can produce, Milner is slow, poor control/passing and crossing ability, his lack of pace is what holds him back the most and it's something he'll never improve on.

 

Swp can beat a man with ease and make something happen because his pace frightens players, he's also a much better finisher than Milner.

 

Why don't you tell me whats so great about Milner compared to SWP then, NM.

 

Well, SWP hasn't shown much of being able ot go past a man for me, and his crossing is as bad as Dyer's. He can run fast, but as we've seen with Dyer, thats enough to make some people think he's a good player.

 

His finishing is not exactly top class, either. Having said that, i've not seen him play as much as you, clearly. You must watch a lot of non-NUFC football, to know so much.

 

I've seen enough of both SWP and Milner to make a judgement that SWP is the far better player.

 

You didn't tell me whats so great about Milner btw.

He is improving all the time, his crossing is better, he is starting to take the ball past his opponent, and he is already here. Oh, and he's not a diving cunt.

If we won the league, Northern Monkey would be on here moaning we didn't do the double. FACT!

Your facts are as worthwhile as your opinions, which is heartening to know.

Genuinely can't see how replacing Sibierski with Viduka could possibly be turned into a negative.

 

I guess there's no pleasing some people though, is there? 

 

some of us have longer memories and do not see the previous player as the standard to be bettered, especially as there is a different manager and owner

 

Fair enough, but would you agree that Viduka is a vast improvement on Sibierski?

 

 

the phrase 'vast improvement' does a diservice to Sibierski and completely ignores massive flaws in Viduka

 

you can't even say they are a direct replacement, Sibierski wasn't even a striker

 

What massive flaws?

 

Dod you ever see him before last season?? :lol:

 

Yes. You clearly didn't. His goal record will hold up to anyone's and his natural ability on the ball is fantastic.

1 in 4 (near as dammit), like i said.

Wonder how much of Viduka the whingers and whiners have seen over the past two seasons and how much they have to go on other than boring cliches about him being fat and lazy.

 

I wager 'absolutely fuck all'.

 

Here we go again: I've seen [X player/Y league] a hundred gazillion times, so i know i'm right.

 

I never said that though, so don't misquote me.

 

It was a general comment, put your handbag down, pet.

 

Suggest you don't quote me when saying it then.

 

Suggest all you like. Your post was typical of that kind of shite, so i used it to quote. Tough.

 

Fucking clueless.

 

 

Abuse disguised as a comment. Not a surprise, but welcome nonetheless. You haven't let me down, thank you.

 

Viduka has never ever scored 1 in 4 in a season in English football. That shows EXACTLY how much you know about him.

05/06 - 7 in 27 league games. Oh, and 3 assists.

04/05 - 5 in 16. 1 assist.

03/04 - 11 in 30. 3 assists.

Thats (roughly) - 1 in 4, 1 on 3, 1 in 3. And a shite assist record.

Genuinely can't see how replacing Sibierski with Viduka could possibly be turned into a negative.

 

I guess there's no pleasing some people though, is there? 

 

some of us have longer memories and do not see the previous player as the standard to be bettered, especially as there is a different manager and owner

 

Fair enough, but would you agree that Viduka is a vast improvement on Sibierski?

 

 

the phrase 'vast improvement' does a diservice to Sibierski and completely ignores massive flaws in Viduka

 

you can't even say they are a direct replacement, Sibierski wasn't even a striker

 

What massive flaws?

Dod you ever see him before last season?? :lol:

Wonder how much of Viduka the whingers and whiners have seen over the past two seasons and how much they have to go on other than boring cliches about him being fat and lazy.

 

I wager 'absolutely fuck all'.

 

Here we go again: I've seen [X player/Y league] a hundred gazillion times, so i know i'm right.

 

I never said that though, so don't misquote me.

 

It was a general comment, put your handbag down, pet.

 

Suggest you don't quote me when saying it then.

 

Suggest all you like. Your post was typical of that kind of shite, so i used it to quote. Tough.

 

Fucking clueless.

Abuse disguised as a comment. Not a surprise, but welcome nonetheless. You haven't let me down, thank you.

Viduka scored 19 goals in 37 appearances for Middlesbrough last season, including more in the Premier League than both £17m Darren Bent and £30m* Dimitar Berbatov, and equalling £28m Wayne Rooney.

 

That record of goalscoring alone is not good enough for Newcastle United.

 

 

*Martin Jol currency.

 

And the season he scored 1 in 4?

 

What about it? I reckon his most recent season is the best barometer to how well he is playing. Don't you?

Only if you assume a player will do the same season after season, which is (A) wrong, and (B) dangerous.

Wonder how much of Viduka the whingers and whiners have seen over the past two seasons and how much they have to go on other than boring cliches about him being fat and lazy.

 

I wager 'absolutely fuck all'.

 

Here we go again: I've seen [X player/Y league] a hundred gazillion times, so i know i'm right.

 

I never said that though, so don't misquote me.

 

It was a general comment, put your handbag down, pet.

 

Suggest you don't quote me when saying it then.

Suggest all you like. Your post was typical of that kind of shite, so i used it to quote. Tough.

Viduka scored 19 goals in 37 appearances for Middlesbrough last season, including more in the Premier League than both £17m Darren Bent and £30m* Dimitar Berbatov, and equalling £28m Wayne Rooney.

 

That record of goalscoring alone is not good enough for Newcastle United.

 

 

*Martin Jol currency.

And the season he scored 1 in 4?

Wonder how much of Viduka the whingers and whiners have seen over the past two seasons and how much they have to go on other than boring cliches about him being fat and lazy.

 

I wager 'absolutely fuck all'.

 

Here we go again: I've seen [X player/Y league] a hundred gazillion times, so i know i'm right.

 

I never said that though, so don't misquote me.

It was a general comment, put your handbag down, pet.

we should sign Harry Kewell, he's f****** mint, would be on a free, and only cost 60 grand a week

 

Are you saying Kewell would be a better signing than Viduka, Vic?

 

we should sign him aswell, can't you see he'd be a f****** STEAL!!?!?!?!!!

 

To start with Vic he isn't on a free as he has another year left on his contract, he also plays in a position where we already have 2 players fighting for the same position that are better than him (In my opinion that is, maybe not yours as you seem to rate him quite highly) so there really wouldn't be much point.

 

I only rate him because he's an Australian international

 

So you're not basing it on his ability on the pitch or his goalscoring stats then?

And you're not just basing his goalscoring in some hand-picked seasons, then?

Genuinely can't see how replacing Sibierski with Viduka could possibly be turned into a negative.

 

I guess there's no pleasing some people though, is there? 

Because some of us want THE RIGHT players, not just "better than the shit we have".

Wonder how much of Viduka the whingers and whiners have seen over the past two seasons and how much they have to go on other than boring cliches about him being fat and lazy.

 

I wager 'absolutely fuck all'.

Here we go again: I've seen [X player/Y league] a hundred gazillion times, so i know i'm right.

If both Milner and Shaun Wright-Phillips were playing at their best, then SWP would probably be the better player. However, i get the feeling that we'll see more of Milner playing well consitently, whereas Wright-Phillips will come in fits and spurts, what with his career being damaged so significantly. He was arguably England's best attacking prospect at City, certainly the brightest new midfield hope, but the move to Chelsea has lessened any chance of a blinding career, which he could so easily have had.

 

He's still young, but it's a £6-10m gamble that just isn't worth it for me, and plus it's not exactly a problem area.

 

Look deeper into Chelsea's squad and get Geremi, who can play in one of our problem areas, and two of our other areas that need strengthening. He's great at right-back, while good on the wing and can also play a defensive midfield role. And he'd cost a lot less than Wright-Phillips.

 

I'm not sure what you're basing the fact that Milner will be consistently better than SWP on, if you look back to the last time SWP had a consistent run in the team (which he'd have if he played for us) he was one of the best wingers in the league, people also seem to have a selective memory where Milner is concerned because up until he scored past Man Utd this season he was putting in some very average performances.

 

Well even if you're right, even if SWP would become consistent... why bother blowing another £8/9/10m when we've already got someone in Milner; who, in a couple of years time, could even be a better player? Honestly just don't see the need to go splashing out on SWP.

 

And btw, Milner was just alright up until Christmas. After the turn of the year, he was just about always our best player on the pitch.

 

Because we improve the team now, I'm not suggesting we do a Roeder and blow all our money on a winger but if Ashley is putting significant funds into the club for transfers then SWP would be a big upgrade on Milner.

 

Milner will never be up to the level that SWP could be for us IMO, his restrictions are there for all to see.

 

As are SWP's. What are you basing his greatness on, because for the majority if games i saw him play in his time at Chelsea, he was poor.

 

When SWP has had a consistent run in the team his ability is far better than anything Milner can produce, Milner is slow, poor control/passing and crossing ability, his lack of pace is what holds him back the most and it's something he'll never improve on.

 

Swp can beat a man with ease and make something happen because his pace frightens players, he's also a much better finisher than Milner.

 

Why don't you tell me whats so great about Milner compared to SWP then, NM.

Well, SWP hasn't shown much of being able ot go past a man for me, and his crossing is as bad as Dyer's. He can run fast, but as we've seen with Dyer, thats enough to make some people think he's a good player.

His finishing is not exactly top class, either. Having said that, i've not seen him play as much as you, clearly. You must watch a lot of non-NUFC football, to know so much.

We'll see, i suppose.

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

 

 

That he's over-rated, and as likely to do f*** all as score loads of goals.

 

So you accept that this free signing might score "loads of goals"

 

Now give your reasons why this proven target man shouldn't have been snapped up on a free to be one of our strike options.

 

his wages

his injury record

his age

his availability re. internationals

his questionable motives

his attitude around the squad

his fat pig resembling ugly c*** of a face

.

 

So what you would prefer is a non-international, on poor wages, with no injury record, a lovely demeanour and nice face?

 

Ziggy from Big Brother seems to fit your profile. Is that who you had in mind?

 

 

 

you're having a laugh now, 'he must be good, he's an AUSTRALIAN international'

 

fucksake

You're being harsh. Moore was their captain, and he had pace, awareness, ability and strength.

If both Milner and Shaun Wright-Phillips were playing at their best, then SWP would probably be the better player. However, i get the feeling that we'll see more of Milner playing well consitently, whereas Wright-Phillips will come in fits and spurts, what with his career being damaged so significantly. He was arguably England's best attacking prospect at City, certainly the brightest new midfield hope, but the move to Chelsea has lessened any chance of a blinding career, which he could so easily have had.

 

He's still young, but it's a £6-10m gamble that just isn't worth it for me, and plus it's not exactly a problem area.

 

Look deeper into Chelsea's squad and get Geremi, who can play in one of our problem areas, and two of our other areas that need strengthening. He's great at right-back, while good on the wing and can also play a defensive midfield role. And he'd cost a lot less than Wright-Phillips.

 

I'm not sure what you're basing the fact that Milner will be consistently better than SWP on, if you look back to the last time SWP had a consistent run in the team (which he'd have if he played for us) he was one of the best wingers in the league, people also seem to have a selective memory where Milner is concerned because up until he scored past Man Utd this season he was putting in some very average performances.

 

Well even if you're right, even if SWP would become consistent... why bother blowing another £8/9/10m when we've already got someone in Milner; who, in a couple of years time, could even be a better player? Honestly just don't see the need to go splashing out on SWP.

 

And btw, Milner was just alright up until Christmas. After the turn of the year, he was just about always our best player on the pitch.

 

Because we improve the team now, I'm not suggesting we do a Roeder and blow all our money on a winger but if Ashley is putting significant funds into the club for transfers then SWP would be a big upgrade on Milner.

 

Milner will never be up to the level that SWP could be for us IMO, his restrictions are there for all to see.

As are SWP's. What are you basing his greatness on, because for the majority if games i saw him play in his time at Chelsea, he was poor.

We'll see, i suppose.

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

 

 

That he's over-rated, and as likely to do f*** all as score loads of goals.

 

So you accept that this free signing might score "loads of goals"

 

Now give your reasons why this proven target man shouldn't have been snapped up on a free to be one of our strike options.

 

He MIGHT. He might also score 3.

 

Why he shouldn't be "snapped up"? Because i want us to be a top 7 team.

 

Who would you have preferred us to sign instead of Viduka?

 

Ah, that old chestnut. Nice try, but i don't think thats the point, is it?

 

If we are happy consilidating a mid table position, i applaud FHSA's vision.

 

What old chestnut? I was simply asking who you would have referred to sign instead of Viduka since you seem so against his signing.

 

Although it doesn't surprise me that you avoided giving an answer.

I would have liked us to sign a player who has proven more consistently to be a good goalscorer, who has not shown on many occasions that he is a lazy twat, and who was good enough for where we want to be.

THATS who i wanted. Not my job to find the cunts, unless i got a new job that no-one told me about.

What about all the poor performances SWP has put in for Chelsea? Do his fanboys forget about them, just because he runs fast? Thats the same rationale that has idiots believing Dire is a top player.

Our fans don't sing, so chants are irrelevant.

Hopefully we can chant "easeh, easeh", like a big bunch of nobs, from now on. Or, even better, keep singing the worst line ever, about being the loyalest football supporters.

, if we didn't have Milner than aye, without doubt,

 

Milner is utter s****. Nice lad, works hard, but wingers have to have pace, a trick, beat the full back and put a cross in. Milner can do none of these things consistently and should be flogged to Wigan or Stoke immediately.

 

Figo hasn't had pace for the last 5 years, still best winger in the world in that period

 

 

Are you seriously comparing Figo to Milner?

 

And when did Figo last play as an out and out wide man?

 

Laughable.

 

Milner's a Championship player, it makes me goggle at the praise he get for....er....running up and down the line and trying. Admirable, but from a club who had Waddle on the wing while shite 25 years ago in div 2 it astounds me that people seriously watch Milner and say he's 'top class' or ' a quality winger'. He's like Lee Hendrie, game, hard working but poor. People like him because he's young and they somehow think that in 5 years he's going to turn into Garrincha. He's not...he's just an average/below par Prem footballer. Nowt more, nowt less.

And SWP? Rarely able to get past his man, crosses like Dyer. He's fucking great.