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Good man management then imo

Mike Ashley will do that to you. fixed

Awesome! Really? Just embarrasing to watch. How anyone over 14 find that amusing is beyond me. It's the accents I think ;D The Llambias's wife comment

All the references to 'you do this in your job on social media and see what happens' is a complete and utter joke as the general public are simply not assets. It's up the management of the club to ensure said assets remain happy, it's a basic f*cking thing for a club to do.

Love to know what he means by that, something lost on translation From what I can gather it's a common philosophical phrase in Spanish. My Spanish other half confirms the translation word for word. Defence of Barton+Enrique I think..

Riding his natural talent tbf, he could have been the key part of any midfield, his talent is no less than Gerrards imo. Get your hat on sharpish

I just tweeted to him: @Joey7Barton Joined twitter just to be able to follow/post to you. Stick it out with us, teach the regime a lesson and become a legend! and then 1 minute later: philo_quotes Come what may, all bad fortune is to be conquered by endurance. ~ Virgil http://bit.ly/philq Could be interesting lol!

I think he'll see himself more like the Liverpudlian Che Guevara than the doting father to be!

I don't see wages as a stumbling block, if he gets an offer from a good club I think he's as good as gone, 'So long and thanks for all the fish' etc. But if said offer doesn't materialize, I agree I think he'd stay just to spite.. he's that kind of person. Can imagine him doing everything to sabotage the regime; his methods are not the best but I think his heart is in the right place.. I am actually really hoping he does stay and does the kind of damage to the regime that will force change one way or another. I can't imagine any one else associated with the club having the balls and the opportunity to do so. Would be funny to see him tweet every Friday the players NOT on the teamsheet just to circumvent that golden rule about confidentiality

Good Post. No doubt you'll be called an Ashley apologist by Dave etc though still. Of course Barton brought it on himself. And Enrique's trying to bring it on himself too....and Danny Simpson it's starting to seem. Harper's said nowt though...best keeper at the club, but he's been pushed into the reserves on Tuesday. No future as a strong presence in the changing room it seems. Smith's in the reserves too. Nolan said nowt publicly. Carroll said nowt publicly. You don't see players at.....say...Stoke City queueing up to get out do you? It's an exodus of our very best players. If enrique goes it's 4 of them in 6 months. Tiote and Coloccini are the only remnants of actual premier league quality left to us. I don't give a s*** aout any individual player that doesn't want to be at the club. But to point the finger at ALL these players rather than the man showing them the door is ridicuous. It's all resulted from the sale of Carroll and the lack of ambition we've shown during this subsequent summer. Jose and Barton were clearly unsettled from that point. Still doesn't excuse Barton's actions for me. Concise and to the point.

I have no resentment to Alan Smith, the situation with him is not his fault. See Albert Luque, Xisco et al. The Nolan situation is an interesting one, and I agree with how it was handled. Barton's is a completely different situation imo, a player who could offer what he does now for years and years to come and arguably our best player.

Barton to me is a bigger loss than either of the others. The truly frightening stat that without Barton we won 0 games last season speaks volumes.

That's already happened btw, Marveaux and Tavernier. We've replaced two right sided midfielders with a left winger and a full back? Jonas->Right, Tavernier=Ferguson. /Ashleylogic (not my own) Edit: We know we need replacement(s), but like a back-up for Enrique - like how he's seen Tiote do well in his first season he thinks he can build a squad of Tiotes from across Europe - he thinks our young left winger can do it like N'Zogbia did.

I agree Barton's subsequent actions are not exactly good for his image that he tries to present of being 'with the fans'. However, if the club was run properly this would have never happened.

That's already happened btw, Marveaux and Tavernier.

Who are you talking about? Who's putting all the blame on any of those players? Don't you think its a bit f***ing childish not to see that some people just don't put the blame entirely on one party? That maybe just BOTH parties are to blame in different ways. It's the culture of this forum to bandwagon-jump and knee-jerk to every minute detail rather than to look at the bigger picture. Those that do are ridiculed. Barton's been an idiot, but Ashley is so bad it looks like he's actually trying to destroy the club and turn it into another vehicle to funnel cash out of in the long run or sell it. I'm not saying Barton's not to fault in this, and I agree both are to blame - to varying degrees - for the eventual conclusion today. 21st May - Pardew wanted Barton to stay: Why does a manager that wants a player to stay, allow him to carry on like he does/did on twitter? Ashley/Llambias are very clever and wanted him out and I believe Barton's reasoning of wanting a 'Younger, better, cheaper player' are true. Pardew would have been told to not discipline/advise him on this. Barton would have been worthy of any 60k/week contract in the country if you compare to him other players on a similar sort of salary. McKay wants Barton to move on so he can get a final payday out of the player and Ashley just wants him off the books because I think he doesn't think he can sell him. At the end of the day, Barton should have had a contract worthy of his talent that we all know he has. The offer he got must have been absolutely derisory and comparatively exploitative of the position that Ashley feels Barton has got no credence with other clubs. Barton went loopy and now is off on a free. Claiming that people are putting all the blame on those players isn't a minute detail, its a reccuring, ignorant and extremely annoying assertion on this forum that I'm pretty f***ing tired of reading. Like I said I agree that Ashley ect probably wanted Barton out because of his age, character and wages. But I do not agree that we must have offered him a terrible contract or that Barton is worthy of any £60k contract we could offer. This is the kind of thinking that f***ed us financially in the first place, which led to us ending up in the hands of Ashley. Barton is absolutely NOT worth £60k a week, and certainly not on a long term deal that would take him into his early 30's. The bloke was unlikely to be first choice this season. It's not worth my time trawling through the player-threads of each player that has come up recently in the media criticizing the regime to prove how I feel the image of the forum presents itself; but the vocal majority on those threads are always against the player. And this is where we come to a diplomatic impasse, I believe he could keep doing what he does in the Premier League until he's 35 and that he should be first choice on the right this season. Although we both know due to other 'factors' this was never going to happen.

I constantly slag off my bosses on Twitter, Facebook, work forums and in emails to them. I also go on strike when my terms aren't improved year on year. It's the other way round really, no employer can expect to receive universal praise from all their employees, but they should cater to the most talented people in their employment. Of course not, the big difference is that a Premier League footballer, and one of our very best performers and also one of the Premier League's (statistically) best performers in his position last season would have absolutely no problem finding another club/job, unlike Joe Bloggs who relies 100% on references and reputation

With Ashley, I think this is exactly the case. So its your reasoned opinion that we didn't offer Barton any new contract at all and that was because Ashley doesn't like him as a person? Pardew: "Barton wants a new deal, only got one year left" Ashley "Nah I hate him" Pardew "Why he's done nothing to you, and he's played well, and he's willing to take a big pay cut, we don't want him to leave for free" Ashley "No I hate him, instead we'll antagonise him into leaving for nothing, I don't really like money anyway" Regardless of your over-exaggeration, with Ashley's past proven logic and decision-making ability is this really so hard to imagine?

You make it sound as though we're the only 'second group' team which struggles to keep it's high earning players with a year remaining or the only one that sells if a crazy offer comes in. And all those players see Carroll get sold, are disappointed, then told it would be invested in the squad. Then it isn't. Those players come out and question the ambition of the club, rightly. Then people jump on them for pointing this out. The club has/had the capability to push on this season. Now the reality has set in we're just a selling club and Ashley's private future cash-cow.

Who are you talking about? Who's putting all the blame on any of those players? Don't you think its a bit f***ing childish not to see that some people just don't put the blame entirely on one party? That maybe just BOTH parties are to blame in different ways. It's the culture of this forum to bandwagon-jump and knee-jerk to every minute detail rather than to look at the bigger picture. Those that do are ridiculed. Barton's been an idiot, but Ashley is so bad it looks like he's actually trying to destroy the club and turn it into another vehicle to funnel cash out of in the long run or sell it. I'm not saying Barton's not to fault in this, and I agree both are to blame - to varying degrees - for the eventual conclusion today. 21st May - Pardew wanted Barton to stay: Why does a manager that wants a player to stay, allow him to carry on like he does/did on twitter? Ashley/Llambias are very clever and wanted him out and I believe Barton's reasoning of wanting a 'Younger, better, cheaper player' are true. Pardew would have been told to not discipline/advise him on this. Barton would have been worthy of any 60k/week contract in the country if you compare to him other players on a similar sort of salary. McKay wants Barton to move on so he can get a final payday out of the player and Ashley just wants him off the books because I think he doesn't think he can sell him. At the end of the day, Barton should have had a contract worthy of his talent that we all know he has. The offer he got must have been absolutely derisory and comparatively exploitative of the position that Ashley feels Barton has got no credence with other clubs. Barton went loopy and now is off on a free.

How do you know he wasn't offered a new contract? After 22 years of following English football, in this day and age I'd take the player's word of our owners any day of the week. Did Barton ever claim he was never offered a contract? Willie McKay: Willie Mckay?, he's f***ing worse than Ashley!! Also he doesn't say Barton has never been offered a contract. They could have already offered him a deal, he rejected it and they told him he wouldn't be offered anything more. Why on earth would they not offer him any kind of contract?, that makes no sense. Sorry I hadn't realised Willie McKay was proven in court to deliberately mislead fans/customers and to lie openly. Please point me to where it shows McKay is less honest than this. And Mackay isn't the one ruining Newcastle United. And why do you think Barton's gone absolutely loopy since this. Cause it doesn't make any sense and the people running this club don't have one iota how to run a club. No mate, it doesn't make any sense meaning its just not the case. Tell me how it helps Ashley to lose a player for free if he's willing to sign for a reasonable contract? He just personally hated Barton yeah?, before any of this twitter stuff even started? The much more believable situation is that Barton was offered a deal and didn't accept it. The club, rightly or wrongly, then said he wouldn't be offered anything more. With Ashley, I think this is exactly the case.

aye but 16 players on low ish wages with sell on value But isn't that the whole idea of supporting a club, to worship the bottom line?

He owned up to his charges, because there was indisputable evidence against him, given all the witnesses etc! That argument bears no relevance whatsoever. It is completely relevant in an argument where you dispute my preference to believe Barton over the owners of this club you cretinous fool. I'm not disputing that. I'm saying that's no basis to believe what he has to say. Cretin. That makes no sense whatsoever.

So many people absorbed in the minutia of this. Lets all blame Carroll, then Lets all blame Nolan, then Lets all blame Enrique, now Lets all blame Barton. Arguably 4 of our best players last season 'in it for themselves'. Open your damn eyes. This is Souness all over again but in a different guise.

He owned up to his charges, because there was indisputable evidence against him, given all the witnesses etc! That argument bears no relevance whatsoever. It is completely relevant in an argument where you dispute my preference to believe Barton over the owners of this club you cretinous fool.