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Can we take off shitty Wijnaldun already. He's been nothing but crap! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Can't believe people are dissing him. He had so few games to show his potential, and in the games he played, he did show some nice touch, dribbling and commitment. Saying he is half arsed is just lazy stereotype. Look we're never gonna get top end English players coz they are just so dam expensive, so unless we are prepared to buy from the European market and give them a chance, we'll be getting more of Mike Williamsons, useless plonks but hey at least they are committed (read English).

Scoring goals when presented with chances would be a start

I was critical of him after the West Ham game when he missed chance after chance. Problem with some on this board, they get over excited and gloss over players' weaknesses. He hard working, young, has a sexy chest.... bull crap! A striker is paid to score and if he doesn't he's useless. If he wants to take his time to develop, he can do that from the substitute bench without risking the club relegation, thank you.

Sure, after we are relegated. He should get a few in the lower divisions

Mitrovic is so piss poor, absolutely no finishing skills

No one is expecting him to score all our goals, just to finish one on ones which any striker worth his salt should be able to do.

He's not a dud, but he's just not ready to lead the line and get us 15-20 goals a season 15-20 goals? He'd be lucky to get 10 goals! He can thrash the ball but he has absolutely no finishing skills.

Mitrovic is such a dud. The faster we relegate him to sub status the better!

2nd to Ronaldo again.

As much as I like him, he's never gonna be able to play up top on his own. He's a goal poacher and one who can probably make diagonal runs for through balls. But here's the thing that is exactly what Pardew's teams don't do. Our attacking play is basically hit the ball to one of the channels and hope our wingers get there first before the opponents' full backs. Alternatively lump ball to the forward which is never gonna stick with Ayoze up front. At times, it was sad seeing him struggle for high balls against center backs almost twice his size. If he doesn't get the lucky breaks in the box his goals will dry up to (and of course Pardew will blame him that he's not working hard enough). There's zero chance of Pardew playing the team to his strength or developing him into a better player.

And here we go again with the lucky break. Might as well celebrate!

fair f***ing play to him for choosing cabella, waddle has been shouting for gouffran for 15 minutes Of course we know who'll be blame if we lose the game. Cabella is the new HBA!

We're playing like American football/rugby. Just hit the ball to one of the channels and hope one of the wingers can run and get to the ball. The only function of the midfielders especially Colback and Abeid is to play as defensive midfielders. We're essentially playing 4-5-1 and as usual hoping for some 'magic' to win the game if ever.

It's not Coloccini's fault that he's done as a footballer. It's Pardew's fault that he keeps choosing him (as captain no less) and got rid of our best defender.

Is it not possible to lodge a complaint or even a report against this thrash?

I'm putting in a donation if only just to encourage them to keep it going

That's it for me gents. After more than 20 years, I can't support what this club has become which is absolutely shit. I felt no joy when Williamson scored and didn't feel anything when Zaha equalized. It's over for me at least until that cunt Pardew is sacked. Thanks

Something wrong when I don't even enjoy winning anymore

Williamson is such a shit player

Nobody wants to take responsibility. Typical cowardice tactics coached by Pardew

I agree, but he was no Lionel Messi at his best, not by a long chalk. Not even Ronaldo at his best was. There I'll have to disagree completely with you. Both at their peak were as good as Messi in my opinion if not better. Difference is Messi has been able to maintain the same level for so many games in a row, so many years in a row it's become something we haven't seen from a player in this generation and that's what makes him the best of his generation in my opinion. Nah, sorry like. Just no. Messi scored in every match at his peak, as in he scored 33 goals in 21 games in a row, he scored f***ing 91 goals in 69 games man, again including the important ones. He's scored in: 2009 and 2012 Copa Del Rey Final 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 Supercopa Finals 2009 and 2011 Champions League Finals (he was also man of the match in both) 2011 Supercup Final 2009 and 2011 World Club Cup Finals He's also scored 21 goals in 27 el clasicos with 15 assists. Messi was the better player at his best or at his worst and literally the only reason to suggest otherwise is Zidane's goals in the '98 final and Messi missing in the '14 final. Even then it's ridiculous tbh. Messi is the best player that we've seen in our lifetimes and even the slightest suggestion otherwise is nothing short of preposterous contrarianism. "Best" is ambiguous/subjective though. Best: - Over the course of an entire season at club level? Definitely. Greatest player ever for me in that context. - Best in the big games? Not by a long shot. I've always felt Messi was thoroughly disappointing at CL/interinational level against quality/on form defenses. Inter over two legs, Chelsea over four, even the 2 CL finals against ManU where he was ultimately quiet/poor imo. Athletico Madrid in the CL this year. 2010 World Cup when Maradona was blamed, 2014 World Cup when the World Cup was blamed. - Best at international level? Nowhere near. I'd take Messi over anyone else if you wanted to win a domestic league. Knockouts of the CL and World Cup, I'd much rather have someone who has proven they can pull the strings in big games when the attention will be on them, rather than someone who goes out without a whimper. Same applies for Cristiano Ronaldo. Amazing over a domestic season, but e.g. Figo was better on the international stage and in big CL games. P.S. bit of a coincidence that both Messi and Ronaldo flop at international level, and even in the latter stages of the CL against top defenses? Ronaldo has flopped alot more, including in the CL where he's been majorly disappointing far more often than not in the knockout stages. They're ridiculous goalscoring players but neither are anything like as well rounded as some of the other legends they're being compared to. IMO anyway. Messi that scored in both Champions League finals and was Man of the Match in both? He's undoubtedly a big game player as well. I've listed the finals that he's scored in. I dunno, it just seems like everyone's suddenly forgotten because of the World Cup Final. It's honestly on the level of being 'if you don't think he's the best you've ever seen (unless you've seen Pele or Maradona) then you're either being a contrarian, or you know nothing about football.' It's on that level of pig-headed arrogance about it. To me suggesting otherwise is totally insane. Scored in those finals (one a header from a cross after being out of the game for most of the match, and the other a frustrated shot straight down the middle that should have been saved by an aging keeper who retried straight after), yes, but in both games against ManU he was ultimately kept very quiet. I'm going by what I've seen in those games - imo neither performance was good nor up to Messi's normal standards. He played no better than e.g. David Villa or Pedro, who also scored in those finals iirc. I just wanted to see him have great games against the top sides when the pressure is high, not just be clamped down on and reduced to maybe scoring an unexpected goal to mask an average/poor performance - evidently that was an unrealistic expectation. As an analogy for this point of view, Zidane's 98 World Cup final goals, and his volley (probably one of the greatest volleys of all time behind van Basten's) against Leverkusen in the CL final, neither of them weigh all that heavily on how I rate him as a great, as imo in both games he was fairly poor/quiet overall. What I rate Zidane on is the numerous big games for club and country in crunch stages of the biggest competitions (CL, European Championships, World Cup) where he dominated games, pulled the strings, tore a quality team apart or damaged them psychologically by toying with them. E.g. Zidane over two legs vs one of the best ManU sides Alex Ferguson had in the 02/03 CL, he didn't score any goals and didn't get any assists (unless that pass to Figo counts as one), but he was phenomenal in those games, utterly untouchable, and was just as good against Juve in the semi's where his team got knocked out because they couldn't defend. The fact that he didn't score goals in these games, didn't win a trophy, didn't even get to the CL final that season, means little to me - he was utter class in the big games against top teams, and that's the baseline for me (performances over stats). I believe my views to be consistent in this regard. I think Zidane has had considerably better games in the biggest competitions against top calibre opposition than Messi in this regard, hence why I would hesitate to say Messi was definitely better - it depends on context/scenario for me. I would suggest that you watch those Champions League Finals again. He was Man of the Match in both (although I would have had Iniesta as MOTM in the first one) I honestly find this whole 'not a big game player' thing a joke. It's difficult to try and explain because it just seems so absurd if you've watched those matches and watched him terrorise teams in them. Man of the match awards are mostly useless, often given based on reputation. Messi didn't deserve those awards just like he didn't deserve the Golden Ball award for the World Cup. I would suggest you watch the France Vs Brazil 2006 game again to understand what greatness means.

If stats and goal is all that is important, then Ronaldo is the better player in 2013/2014 outscoring Messi overall (51 - 41 ), in La Liga (31 vs 28 ) and CL (17 vs 8 ). He bettered him on ratio of goals/appearances too in case you're wondering. Can't have it both ways and oh thanks for listening :-)

Mess is the better dribbler and obviously scores tons more goals, but Zidane was more elegant, had better ball control (perhaps not while dribbling) and could just dominate the other team by his mere presence. When Zidane plays, it's like a watching an orchestra and everything is in slow mo. Messi moves faster at top speed, but I don't find it elegant it's almost like a roach running around (I don't mean that in a derogatory way). But once Messi's speed diminishes, he will be less effective. Even now, I suspect Zidane will still have the same ball control because his is based on body strength and precision. Close call but Zidane for me. By the way, in case it hasn't been said, now way does Messi deserve the Golden Ball. Should have gone to either Robben or one of several German players

Sold, Fuck Ashley!