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Agree with almost everything there, but I'd have Beye in for Duff with Geremi on the right. Thought he did a decent enough job yesterday, and Duff was fairly useless on the right.

Because a player can start well and fade like Cordone did but with some its an instant judgement. I don't think any of the new signings are bad as such, I just don't think they are as good as people hope and I want better. Why are you allowed to judge them after 5 games but you lambast others for doing so? I'm just giving my opinion as we all do - people seem desperate to me to justify this system based on the fact that the signings are good. As I said I don't think are bad and I'll be happy if they all turn out to be world beaters but overall I don't share the "happiness" with the window that others have. In terms of numbers, areas and overall quality I don't think we've done enough to improve on last year by any great degree. "You can't judge players on 5 games or less" "Guthrie should only be a squad player which we need more of but if he plays more than 30 games a season for the next 3 years we will get nowhere near Europe." Double Standards?

I'd rather we won on Saturday. Nothing beats defeating Spurs..not even trashing Sunderland at the stadium of shit. I'd much rather we won on Saturday.

I'd rather we won on Saturday.

Because a player can start well and fade like Cordone did but with some its an instant judgement. I don't think any of the new signings are bad as such, I just don't think they are as good as people hope and I want better. Why are you allowed to judge them after 5 games but you lambast others for doing so?

I've got a feeling the League Cup game against Pompey was our lowest attendance in a competitive game since reaching the premiership.. about 26k. Reckon we'll break that?

If you're not allowed to declare a player good after 5 games, then why are you allowed to declare one not good enough?

Yeah, I was LHS as well, thought our support was decent today. Was a bit quiet between 3-0 and 3-1 understandably but there was a decent amount of noise.

I was quite impressed with their defence today tbf, defended as a team and Upson in particular made some very good challanges. The Ilunga guy looked ok going forward as well.

Given 5 Edgar 2 Colo 5 Taylor 3 N'Zog (at LB) 3 (at LW) 6 Duff 4 Geremi 6 Butt 3 Cacapa 4 Owen 7 Xisco 6

By the way, a couple of pretty funny chants from today "You're not flying anymore" and "You stole our holidays, you stole our holidays, .... "

Just got home. We looked a different team when Bassong came on for Edgar - Geremi upped his game at RB and put in a lot of crosses overlapping, we got a competent left back on this pitch and N'Zog was given license to go forward a bit more. It was plain and simple where the problem was - I've rarely seen a worse central midfield partnership that Butt and Cacapa which put the defence in trouble, and none of them covered themselves in glory (to varying extents) all match long. Edgar was utter toss. Positives - I thought Xisco did ok, took some nice positions, not far away from scoring on a couple of occasions, Owens goal was a pearl and we battered them when they took their foot off the pedal. Pretty poor we had to wait to go three down before we could do it.

They have him back on December on their injury table. I bet he fucking kicks it and gets booked. Only 4 more for a suspension

Didn't realise it was that recent to be fair. Does anyone believe the rumours of him being offered a massive wage cut that were doing the rounds throughout the transfer window btw?

First two paragraphs are very interesting and something I've suspected for a while, I really think Rio is a superb player. Can't disagree more with the comment about Gerrard though, I really think that he defines Liverpool too much. He's the man that Carragher wishes he was, and I think Liverpool look a bit lost without him tbh.

Dithering? Until recently the club never offered him anything to dither over as far as I'm aware. Wasn't it released that we'd offered him an improved deal?

mackems.gif One of my best analogies man. I've disagreed with you in the past few days, but I know what I like, and that is it. Well played.

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He was here on a 12 month contract but it could have been extended if both sides wanted it to happen. Just on a vague memory here, but I always assumed it was just going to be the year all along, didn't he have a family in London and was commuting up?

Care to explain how paying off £110m of debt, isn't subsidising the club? I thought Ashley was referring to transfer budgets, i.e. this mysterious £20m per season? If he's paid off the debt as he likes to keep stating, then there would be no need for him to keep subsidizing paying the debt anyway, no? Scare tactics, emotional blackmail, toys out the pram, peddling the we owe him a favour line, reads like "love me, sob for me, don't boo me, if you don't and do boo screw yous" And you've bought it! was he f*** talking about transfer budgets. he said he'd invest 20mill in the club per season, where do you get "on players" from. "I knew that the club would cost me money every year after I had bought it. I have backed the club with money. You can see that from the fact that Newcastle has the fifth highest wage bill in the Premier League. I was always prepared to bank roll Newcastle up to the tune of £20 million per year but no more. That was my bargain. I would make the club solvent. I would make it a going concern. I would pour up to £20 million a year into the club and not expect anything back. It has to be realised that if I put £100 million into the club year in year out then it would not be too long before I was cleaned out and a debt ridden Newcastle United would find itself in the position that faced Leeds United." Quite clearly he says he was prepared to put in up to £20mill of his own money into the club per season. That could have been to reduce the finance costs each season, subsidise additional player wages, transfers, etc. Exactly. And fairly obvious.

I thought Mort was only ever a short term appointment to sort us out? I was sure I'd heard something along those lines when he came in.

I'll flip the coin (not directed to you personally) Those wanting a rich owner or success, why don't you just go and support Chelsea or Man Utd? Those wanting to own their own team, why don't you just go and support Ebbsfleet?

Not at all.

Was never a red car to be fair. I disagree. Since when has a full and deliberate rugby tackle on someone running past you an into a good position not a red card, regardless of covering defenders? It was the cynical nature of the challange that makes it a red for me.

5 minutes away is close enough tbh Anything south of Watford is my indicator That's a pretty shit indicator. London and the home counties are classed as cockneys in my book. But would you disagree with most southerners who think the North begins at watford as well? Obviously. I just think it's quite funny that you define cockney so broadly when I'd imagine you'd be seething if someone said they thought everyone north of Middlebrough was a geordie.