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because if keegan had been the DoF and wise the manager people would still be backing keegan. lets have some evidence on what the mistreatment was. That's not really my point though. If Ashley has to payout because he f***ed up, then it's his fault imo. The fact it's KK is an interesting one, some people will defend him regardless but the interesting aspect is that there are now seemingly a number of people who strongly dislike him. Almost unthinkable before he came back. i agree. however there are too many who see keegan as a bottler who has walked out on every managerial post he has had pitted against ashley who is the devil incarnate. i trust neither enough to go on rumour and hearsay. I personally think labelling Keegan a 'bottler' because he's walked out on jobs is an unfair reflection on him given the true circumstances. He didn't 'bottle' the Fulham job, he got given a better one and it eventually became obvious he couldn't do both. The England job I guess you could class as bottling; he admitted he wasn't good enough and walked before he was pushed. I wish McLaren had had the integrity for that and saved the FA £2.5m paid for failure. As for the City job, I'm pretty sure he was told he wasn't getting his contract renewed and left by mutual consent, rather than "running away". It's the first time he's taken a stance like this, so I'm certainly not going to write it off as 'Keegan running away again' as so many seem to be desperate to. i've even backed keegan on this numerous times but it's how many see it. in much the same way people believe that keegan could do no wrong. he does seem to have played power games at every club he has been at though, threatening to leave if he doesn't et the budget he wants etc and worse at fulham. I wouldn't ever argue he's perfect, far from it. Just seems an unfair and lazy stick to beat him with. The situation has been oversimplified from both sides imo, although I tend to side with KK given the track records of those involved. Like you I want to know what actually happened. but surely it must also be unfair and lazy to make out he hasn't played power games both here and elsewhere to get his way in the past. the middle ground looking at both their histories is that yes the club bought players without his say but he had agreed to this set up and thought he could change it once in. (i'm not saying that IS what happened btw) First part; probably, yeah. Don't think anyone's doing that though? All I'm trying to say is that he isn't the 'serial bottler' he's painted as being. I would say the most likely scenario is that the circumstances somehow changed during his tenure to the extent that he felt unable to work. How much these circumstances actually changed and whether it justified his viewpoint is the key question that needs answering.

steven taylor was our best right back last season and yes that includes beye. At times. He did very well going forward towards the end of the season but I'm less confident in him defensively from that position, there were a number of goals leaked from that flank when he was there. One that springs to mind is Everton away, when all the talk was of what a fantastic game he'd had, but we'd conceded two goals from their left wing.

because if keegan had been the DoF and wise the manager people would still be backing keegan. lets have some evidence on what the mistreatment was. That's not really my point though. If Ashley has to payout because he f***ed up, then it's his fault imo. The fact it's KK is an interesting one, some people will defend him regardless but the interesting aspect is that there are now seemingly a number of people who strongly dislike him. Almost unthinkable before he came back. i agree. however there are too many who see keegan as a bottler who has walked out on every managerial post he has had pitted against ashley who is the devil incarnate. i trust neither enough to go on rumour and hearsay. I personally think labelling Keegan a 'bottler' because he's walked out on jobs is an unfair reflection on him given the true circumstances. He didn't 'bottle' the Fulham job, he got given a better one and it eventually became obvious he couldn't do both. The England job I guess you could class as bottling; he admitted he wasn't good enough and walked before he was pushed. I wish McLaren had had the integrity for that and saved the FA £2.5m paid for failure. As for the City job, I'm pretty sure he was told he wasn't getting his contract renewed and left by mutual consent, rather than "running away". It's the first time he's taken a stance like this, so I'm certainly not going to write it off as 'Keegan running away again' as so many seem to be desperate to. i've even backed keegan on this numerous times but it's how many see it. in much the same way people believe that keegan could do no wrong. he does seem to have played power games at every club he has been at though, threatening to leave if he doesn't et the budget he wants etc and worse at fulham. I wouldn't ever argue he's perfect, far from it. Just seems an unfair and lazy stick to beat him with. The situation has been oversimplified from both sides imo, although I tend to side with KK given the track records of those involved. Like you I want to know what actually happened.

Barcelona away Just pointing out you don't particularly need to be any good in the Prem to be good in the Championship. It helps, but it doesn't seem to be essential.

Could easily have said that about Shola before we got relegated. He was pissing it before his injury.

Nobody knows. I think that's the main issue, nobody actually knows what happened.

Excessive imo. I think it's ok as it is in England.

Master chef is awesome. I like it, don't really know what baldy shouty brings to the table though.

because if keegan had been the DoF and wise the manager people would still be backing keegan. lets have some evidence on what the mistreatment was. That's not really my point though. If Ashley has to payout because he f***ed up, then it's his fault imo. The fact it's KK is an interesting one, some people will defend him regardless but the interesting aspect is that there are now seemingly a number of people who strongly dislike him. Almost unthinkable before he came back. i agree. however there are too many who see keegan as a bottler who has walked out on every managerial post he has had pitted against ashley who is the devil incarnate. i trust neither enough to go on rumour and hearsay. I personally think labelling Keegan a 'bottler' because he's walked out on jobs is an unfair reflection on him given the true circumstances. He didn't 'bottle' the Fulham job, he got given a better one and it eventually became obvious he couldn't do both. The England job I guess you could class as bottling; he admitted he wasn't good enough and walked before he was pushed. I wish McLaren had had the integrity for that and saved the FA £2.5m paid for failure. As for the City job, I'm pretty sure he was told he wasn't getting his contract renewed and left by mutual consent, rather than "running away". It's the first time he's taken a stance like this, so I'm certainly not going to write it off as 'Keegan running away again' as so many seem to be desperate to.

I've only ever felt like I've wanted a pint during the game when Newcastle haven't been playing. I'm not there to be entertained like I am at the cinema, I'm there to support my team. I can manage two bouts of 45mins without a beer.

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because if keegan had been the DoF and wise the manager people would still be backing keegan. lets have some evidence on what the mistreatment was. That's not really my point though. If Ashley has to payout because he fucked up, then it's his fault imo. The fact it's KK is an interesting one, some people will defend him regardless but the interesting aspect is that there are now seemingly a number of people who strongly dislike him. Almost unthinkable before he came back.

A nice little tradition? It's a load of mythical bullshit. We've had some absolute dross wear it over the years, just since we've had Andy Cole we've been spoilt in that respect. Yes tradition, you are aware tradition can start at any time in history? The number is always heavily associated with Newcastle anyway and its not surprising considering those who have wore it. Best player I've seen in black and white wore number 8.

I'm still struggling to comprehend how our detestable owner mistreating an employee to the extent that they're potentially entitled to a multi-million pound payout could be anything other than a further indictment of how that fat twat has run the club, regardless of who the employee is.

Remind me again of how many clubs he's been manager of that he HASN'T walked out on ? (None ?) As dcmk points out he didn't take those to court or whatever. If they rule in his favour the blame, including blame for the monetary loss, would be Ashley's alone, surely? (think Man City was mutual consent)

I still can't comprehend why KK will be to blame if he takes money out of the club. Surely that will be proof that it's Ashley who's at fault?

I reckon Harewood's probably a strong candidate for the coveted 'longest in the shower' award.

Yep. He loves the club, of course, that goes without saying. Just loves it. Has he ever said this btw? You mean he doesn't love the club? Sacrilege! You clearly rate yourself as intelligent and knowledgable, and are worth reading more often than not in Chat. So why do you continuously post such mind-numbingly boring bollocks in this thread? It's that kind of thread. Raise above it then. There's been some really good debate at times in this thread (although the last page or four have been pretty grim). Sorry, but I reserve the right to take the piss. Taking the piss is usually at least vaguely amusing.

Yep. He loves the club, of course, that goes without saying. Just loves it. Has he ever said this btw? You mean he doesn't love the club? Sacrilege! You clearly rate yourself as intelligent and knowledgable, and are worth reading more often than not in Chat. So why do you continuously post such mind-numbingly boring bollocks in this thread? It's that kind of thread. Raise above it then. There's been some really good debate at times in this thread (although the last page or four have been pretty grim).

Aye that's why he's suing (or whatever) the club "I want £9m, no less!!" "But it will leave us in a very bad position financially" "Alright then, little bit for the taxi though?" Keegan will be looking at it as 9m from Ashley's pocket, not the clubs. I actually think that's what he believes. He'll be looking at it as 9m. Of course, but he'll still think it's hurting Mike financially which isn't the case. That makes him very thick doesnt it? Well he's an ex footballer after all... Easy to tell by the way he's reacted to stuff over the years, it's a me vs the world mentality. He's the type of character that needs to be loved so I am asking would he risk alienating the biggest source of that love? Or can his ego handle the amount of shit that comes his way if it does drag the club down? If Keegan is deemed to be worthy of £Xm by because of his treatment whilst under contract here then surely to blame him for taking it would be to miss the point? Would the blame not fall at the feet of the people who actually cost the club that money through their actions?

Yep. He loves the club, of course, that goes without saying. Just loves it. Has he ever said this btw? You mean he doesn't love the club? Sacrilege! You clearly rate yourself as intelligent and knowledgable, and are worth reading more often than not in Chat. So why do you continuously post such mind-numbingly boring bollocks in this thread?

not counting this season, off the top of my head, 3-1 and 1-1? Did the double on them last year, 3-2 and 2-1. They didn't beat us this season when we'd come off the back of a humping at Leyton Orient. Basically, they aren't that good.

Yeah, it's grim in there now. What's the matter with everyone, we've just signed a player! This is as good as it gets.

I reckon the last 20-30 posts in this thread may have represented a new low. That's some impressive going.

Ummm.... no-one's jumping up and down with joy over this? A few people have commented that it's a decent signing and a necessary extra body though, potentially signalling a return to regularly playing 442.