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Not to mention rage shakers.

Testament to the strength of character of the man. I always find it strange how SBR was supposed to have lost control of the dressing room yet he was still strong enough to threaten Shearer with relegation to the subs bench before he got the boot. That was the main prob with Bob at the time. He was tough where he SHOULDN'T have been, and lax where serious discipline was needed (Dyer, Jenas, Bellamy for starters) When?

First time I heard it was at West Brom, and in my inebrieted state I was using the word fucking instead of cockney. Works fine.

Whilst I admire the honesty and wish more were as open, there's a reason why the top managers don't say things like this 'out loud'.

Figures

Injuries permitting I'd be very surprised if we change the team. I think we could do with bringing Guthrie in for Butt, I just expect to see an unchanged team if everyone's fit. Ranger and Carroll did well enough that we can continue to ease Harewood in.

Had a few quid on the mackems today and man city tomorrow, worked out at roughly 6/4.

Of course there's nowt wrong with them, they're just pointless. He knows how we feel, we know how we feel, the whole of the football world knows how we feel - it won't force him to do anything so why waste the breath? Why ever sing? The players know we want them to win so why bother encouraging them to do so? Singing creates an atmosphere regardless of what's being sung, and it's great that we're still letting the world know we hate that cunt.

Looks like lumping a few quid on us at 6/4 is going to re-coop all of my losses and leave me in about £1.50 profit for the day

Was that Bluf celebrating Nolan's third goal?

Everton, Spurs, Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool, £5 at just over 4/1. Also a cheeky £2 on Lovenkrands to score first today at 13.5 on betfair.

Time for bed.

Rosenborg have been a bit iffy lately in my experience. Friendly advice.

He quite publicly stated he wouldn't have taken it with the terms on offer though. Don't blame him tbh, mental situation to work in. It's fairly easy to say you wouldn't have taken the job after you weren't even offered it. True. Although on the other hand I wouldn't offer the job to someone who'd told me they wouldn't accept it...like the Redknapp scenario again. All depends which way round it happened. Another thing we'll never know. True. Although I'm very much inclined to believe Venables (and 'Arry) rejected this job first given the track record of spin by this regime (Bassong is a Wise signing, for instance) I can't say I know it as fact.

You're all going on as if Motson, Lawrenson, Tidesley are shit hot. They're not, they're all crap. I can't think of one commentator, male, female, black, white or hermaphrodite who is a decent commentator. John Murray's good. There are 3 or 4 decent commentators on 5live (I don't count Alan Green in that). Slim pickings on the telly though, Champion and Royle were my favourite double act on five for our Waffa runs.

He quite publicly stated he wouldn't have taken it with the terms on offer though. Don't blame him tbh, mental situation to work in. It's fairly easy to say you wouldn't have taken the job after you weren't even offered it. True. Although on the other hand I wouldn't offer the job to someone who'd told me they wouldn't accept it...like the Redknapp scenario again.

He quite publicly stated he wouldn't have taken it with the terms on offer though. Don't blame him tbh, mental situation to work in.

Wasn't Venables's only / main reason for not taking the job that it was too short term? Sure he said something about not being able to do justice to the role with such a short contract (6 games?).

Hole in the wall's back on? Get in. PM will be loving it.

obviously but we need to find one who will improve our squad not be useless I think the performance of Lovenkrands and Lua lua on tuesday underline that point. Wingers need to have a work ethic not just ponce about on the periphery wishing they were up front. We've got a winger with a work ethic. We need one who can create something now. We need wingers who can do their job better than Barton or Guthrie first and foremost, anything on top of that is a bonus. Guthrie's not done too badly, two assists from the wing in his last two appearences there. That's as many as Jonas has managed in this calander year. What we really need is a genuine out and out winger with a bit of pace who isn't scared to take on a man and is OK at crossing. Doesn't need to be anything spectacular, just good enough to give us some width and spread the game a bit; give us a different option. Maybe we can persuade Ruel Fox to come out of retirement.

Peterborough release a DVD of every game they play.

obviously but we need to find one who will improve our squad not be useless I think the performance of Lovenkrands and Lua lua on tuesday underline that point. Wingers need to have a work ethic not just ponce about on the periphery wishing they were up front. We've got a winger with a work ethic. We need one who can create something now.

With their name being dragged through the mud all over the press that'll be why West Ham did so poorly last season and couldn't get taken over then. I must have missed the bit where West Ham fans collectively spat out the dummy and started a boycoutt over their infallible god-like hero Curbishley. You really hate Keegan don't you? No, he really hates Newcastle supporters, as going by that it's US to blame for the difference between what happened at NUFC & what happened at WHUFC. BTW how has this supposed "boycoutt" affected the club Ozzie? The boycoutt which saw us have the highest ever attendance for a team relegated in the UK & the 6th highest average attendance in England this season. The turmoil definitely affected our chances of getting a decent interim replacement after KK legged it. It may also have affected the sale, but who can really say whether any buyers were put off by the prospect of a fractious, difficult-to-satisfy fan base? I'm sure it makes us look a less attractive prospect, though. How could it make us more likely to find a buyer? The aftermath of the KK situation clearly affected what you've described above, but not to the extent that we were being run and owned by an incompetant did. The fact a retard was running the club meant it was extremely unlikely we were going to get a decent interim manager in (became an issue again when JFK got ill). He's also done a pretty poor job thus far of getting the club sold again, despite having ages to do it and claiming to be very keen to get out.

because if keegan had been the DoF and wise the manager people would still be backing keegan. lets have some evidence on what the mistreatment was. That's not really my point though. If Ashley has to payout because he f***ed up, then it's his fault imo. The fact it's KK is an interesting one, some people will defend him regardless but the interesting aspect is that there are now seemingly a number of people who strongly dislike him. Almost unthinkable before he came back. i agree. however there are too many who see keegan as a bottler who has walked out on every managerial post he has had pitted against ashley who is the devil incarnate. i trust neither enough to go on rumour and hearsay. I personally think labelling Keegan a 'bottler' because he's walked out on jobs is an unfair reflection on him given the true circumstances. He didn't 'bottle' the Fulham job, he got given a better one and it eventually became obvious he couldn't do both. The England job I guess you could class as bottling; he admitted he wasn't good enough and walked before he was pushed. I wish McLaren had had the integrity for that and saved the FA £2.5m paid for failure. As for the City job, I'm pretty sure he was told he wasn't getting his contract renewed and left by mutual consent, rather than "running away". It's the first time he's taken a stance like this, so I'm certainly not going to write it off as 'Keegan running away again' as so many seem to be desperate to. i've even backed keegan on this numerous times but it's how many see it. in much the same way people believe that keegan could do no wrong. he does seem to have played power games at every club he has been at though, threatening to leave if he doesn't et the budget he wants etc and worse at fulham. I wouldn't ever argue he's perfect, far from it. Just seems an unfair and lazy stick to beat him with. The situation has been oversimplified from both sides imo, although I tend to side with KK given the track records of those involved. Like you I want to know what actually happened. but surely it must also be unfair and lazy to make out he hasn't played power games both here and elsewhere to get his way in the past. the middle ground looking at both their histories is that yes the club bought players without his say but he had agreed to this set up and thought he could change it once in. (i'm not saying that IS what happened btw) First part; probably, yeah. Don't think anyone's doing that though? All I'm trying to say is that he isn't the 'serial bottler' he's painted as being. I would say the most likely scenario is that the circumstances somehow changed during his tenure to the extent that he felt unable to work. How much these circumstances actually changed and whether it justified his viewpoint is the key question that needs answering. either way. i hope we get to find out. No chance, sadly. Would be amazed if we actually find out anything we don't know already.