OzzieMandias

Racism is indeed the wrong word for the dumb generalisations some are expressing on this thread. "Bigotry" and "prejudice" are more accurate terms.

Ye knaa nowt, man. He had a shuriken and a set of bolas.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/chelsea/article2508193.ece

The plot thickens even further: http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2175177,00.html Great stuff.

Profile of this Avram Grant guy: http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2175225,00.html

The plot thickens... http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2175101,00.html

With any luck both Chelsea and Spurs will fuck their seasons up.

I know that. But it's fun to rattle these internet shut in types. Says the saddo posting bollocks on another club's board.

How would you know? You don't even know who played for Newcastle in 1997. Are you an arse follower? Is that how you know this? Oh look, here comes the more pathetic element among Toon supporters – having a go at other posters, as usual. Hypocrite.

Celtic for me. They've been my Scottish team since I watched them as a bairn beating Inter in the European Cup Final. Also, though I'm neither a Catholic nor Irish, I hate the whole prod bigot union-jack-waving Ian Paisley style crap.

It's hardly surprising that the more pathetic element among Spurs supporters is getting a bit bitter – they haven't managed to beat Arsenal once since sometime back in the 1990s.

In the grand scheme of thing homosexuality is natural. There are many scientific recorded examples of homosexuality in the natural world, ie gay monkeys, gay penguins etc. Even gay human are natural, cos we are the product of nature, we are part of the nature. Homosexuality is unusual yes, but it is not unnatural. And there is nothing wrong or immoral about homosexuality, unless you are a religious person who follows the religious codes. Well, tbf, the gene that says you're gay would naturally cease to exist because there's no way that this gene can be passed on to future generations. The fact that this gene is actually created certainly has to be down to a 'mutation' which isn't beneficial to the gene itself (because it can't be passed on). So I guess homosexuality can actually be argued to be 'unnatural', but that has no bearing on whether it's morally right or wrong. And I mean 'unnatural' as in it goes against what our body was 'naturally' created for (to reproduce and pass on our genes). Edit - It's pretty important for science to try to understand why this mutation is happening though, especially since it's not isolated to a certain race nor gender. So are you saying that there has never been a case of a gay man fathering a child? Because I know a bloke who was married for several years, had two kids to his wife and then came out as gay as he couldn't keep on living a lie and has for the past 32 years(he was a friend of my dad's and that is how I know him) has lived in a relationship with another man. I wonder how many straight men here only ever have sex to reproduce? I mean naturally as in if he was gay and admitted it from a young enough age, there isn't a 'natural' way to pass on those genes. The case you mentioned is an exception. I don't think it's normal for a gay man/woman to be in a marriage and have two children before coming out as being gay. In regards to your last sentence, I echo it (and have said so in this thread). Natural or unnatural is really irrelevant because of how we've evolved and how we're capable of doing much more than what was/is 'natural' to us. I think there are many men who attempt to make a straight relationship work before admitting their true feelings. Not because they do not realise they are gay, but because they want to be straight. But that is just my opinion. It's not just an opinion. It's obviously true. I've one friend, known him since we were in our early teens, who struggled with the fact he was gay until his late 20s, because he really wanted to be a family man and have children. In the end he had to face up to the fact that he would be living some kind of lie. Well, actually, it was his girlfriend who made him face up to it. And she had to move to Australia to get over him. I know another guy who came out in his 30s after having two children.

If humans do it, it's natural.

The point is, it's not.

everyday So you might be gay tomorrow or the day after?

So Nobby, when did you choose to be heterosexual?

So the people claiming that it's a choice to be gay could just as easily be taking it up the arse or on their knees giving some guy a blowjob? They just thought, meh, I'll choose to ignore the fact that I'm attracted to men?

Stephen Spence.

Alan Shearer ? Rob Lee, Les Ferdinand and Stephen Spence as his backroom team apparently. Is Ken Bates really Ozzie or 2sheds do you think ? Ozzie possibly, he's similar to Bates in that he knows little about football. My, what a sparkling sense of humour you have, Baggio. It must brighten up the playground no end.

I realise it's open season on Ozzie, but I don't remember ever "unconditionally backing" anyone, Shaman, let alone Souness. And while I am well used to moronic strawman "arguments" from NE5, a man clearly incapable of arguing with anything anyone has actually said, it's the first time I've seen this from you. Worried that your self-aggrandising username and tendency to use five words where one would do don't make you look silly enough?

I dunno. Watching the England-Germany Euro 2000 game in Budapest, when Shearer scored I do remember a quick chorus of "Geordies here, Geordies there, Geordies every-fucking-where!"

Well, I hope Owen scores because I want England to win and want him to be deeper into fine goal-scoring form when he comes back for us. However, I fear that McLaren's "strategy" of basing everything around a still not yet fully fit and match-sharp Owen, even to the extent of bringing Heskey back into the fold, is the wrong one.

Hush! If you point this out, the Shepherd fan club will all start accusing you of "dishing the dirt".

While you're working so hard to try and wind me up, HTL – going for the man rather than the ball – why not entertain us all with one of your hypocritical little homilies about the immaturity of name-calling and the importance of debate.

He didn't deny he "dished the dirt". As he says above, it was Shepherd not NUFC that this "dirt" focussed on. Mel Ironic that mandiarse is being defended in his dishing the dirt on the club by making out it was aimed toward an individual when the wum himself can't admit that negative comments made by Bellamy about the club were really a swipe at how Souness was managing the club. Moronic stuff. What "dirt" do you imagine I "dished" in an interview that never happened, which wasn't going to be done by me anyway, but which would have been a response to a widely reported remark by Shepherd?