OzzieMandias

The previous owners generated a fair bit for themselves. although the club was left with a bit of debt mind... And how did they manage to do that? By selling it to someone else before they had to pay the bill. you don't have much idea do you Funny, I was just thinking there was zero point in discussing anything with you as you're quite obviously clueless.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) So you agree there is a debt after all. Those know-nowt morons who said there wasn't. Anyway, so we can strike clearing the club debt off the list of your hero's achievements. What's left.....? if he had sold up for 80mill it could be argued he'd wrote off the debt. "your hero"....doesn't become you htl. Whereas referring to anyone bright enough to spot the difference between being being hock to a bank, and an owner supporting his own business, as a "know-nowt moron" is completely par for the course.

The previous owners generated a fair bit for themselves. although the club was left with a bit of debt mind... And how did they manage to do that? By selling it to someone else before they had to pay the bill. So simplistic. Like your question.

Weve been promoted to premiership have we? weve spent on class centre forwards? weve replaced ryan taylor and nicky butt in midfield? weve survived the first season post championship? f*** me you are THE over-expectand geordie fan myth played out by the media. You fuckin stupid c***. WE WILL BE UP FOR SALE THE DAY WE ARE PROMOTED Please give me a season of mediocrity before you piss me off again Everyone seems to know how it should be done, for some reason no one will put their money where their mouth is and JUST DO IT. Why are all the prospective buyers of Newcastle weighing their pennies and trying to buy the club at a stupidly low price and all their dithering will just allow Ashley to emerge the winner if promotion is achieved? I don't imagine many are comfortable dealing with the t***. Or the £150m of debt, which in the current market gives NUFC a net value of next to nothing. The debt has been there all along. If the interested parties wanted a a massive club capable of generating huge future profits without any debt then this just proves they weren't prepared to commit any investment risk at all. Could have sworn some people mentioned last week that one of Ashley's greatest achievements was that the club now has no debt. we only have as much debt as the owner wants to claw back (and if last summers asking price were true he will take a fair old loss) the difference isn't the debt anyway, as many have said all along, it's the way it is structured . far betteroff owe the money to the owner as he is unlikely to call it in (gibson,lerner,abramovich) than owe it to financial institutions and the taxman who will call it in (cardiff,portsmouth,leeds etc) As this has already been explained to Malandro about 400 times, I'm betting this is one more time he will be unable (or simply refuse) to grasp the point.

The previous owners generated a fair bit for themselves. although the club was left with a bit of debt mind... And how did they manage to do that? By selling it to someone else before they had to pay the bill.

Maybe I am being misunderstood here. What I am saying is that for the welfare of the gay footballer it is probaly beneficial not to come out. Who wants to deal with the inevitable media storm or negative attitudes that will be present among other players? I've posted two examples of openly gay atheletes. One was isolated from the community and the other met some similar negative reactions from honest players, which is representative of what he would have faced in the locker room. If one was to come out today, the reaction from the media would be positive (The politically-correct nature of society), but I honestly think it would be much different among players and other people in football. This is why no gay player has come out, imo. It is obvious they exist. Religion doesn't isn't really relevant in this case. It’ll only ever change if it’s challenged.

Fine, you're right. His interview with Gibson made him sound a complete selfish curnt. Where did I say that? Harper will start next season as a first choice premier league keeper. He's never been in that position in his whole career. So relegation has been good for him in the long term. I'm sure Shay Given isn't looking back thinking "why did i leave?" just yet. The point was he was talking about the club as a whole maybe benefiting from the clearout following our drop, not his own career. I'm sure he's chuffed that Shay upped sticks, that said though, going by parts of that interview I think he feels he genuinly has a battle on his hands to hold off Krul and Foster. /It was really good to hear him speak about Foster like that (and gave even more credence to that Norwich fan in the other thread), glad he seems to think the club will do it's best to hold onto him too. Not "the" point, "your" point. "My" point was we all bring our own circumstances with us when we look at a situation. Does Harper see us as better off? It would seem so. Does Given? Probably not. Does Hughton? Probably. Keegan? Probably not. Ashley/Llambias? Definitley. Me, having seen us promoted last time around and in the Champions league several times over before starting our slow descent? Not yet. My little cousin who went to his first match in 2007 and has never seen us win so many games in his life? I'm afraid so. It's very much a personal thing whether you're happier at Newcastle now than you have been in the past. You must have been hallucinating. It was twice. Thrice! I don't count defeat by Partizan, even though it was one of the most important games in the club's history. We fell before qualifying.

Fine, you're right. His interview with Gibson made him sound a complete selfish curnt. Where did I say that? Harper will start next season as a first choice premier league keeper. He's never been in that position in his whole career. So relegation has been good for him in the long term. I'm sure Shay Given isn't looking back thinking "why did i leave?" just yet. The point was he was talking about the club as a whole maybe benefiting from the clearout following our drop, not his own career. I'm sure he's chuffed that Shay upped sticks, that said though, going by parts of that interview I think he feels he genuinly has a battle on his hands to hold off Krul and Foster. /It was really good to hear him speak about Foster like that (and gave even more credence to that Norwich fan in the other thread), glad he seems to think the club will do it's best to hold onto him too. Not "the" point, "your" point. "My" point was we all bring our own circumstances with us when we look at a situation. Does Harper see us as better off? It would seem so. Does Given? Probably not. Does Hughton? Probably. Keegan? Probably not. Ashley/Llambias? Definitley. Me, having seen us promoted last time around and in the Champions league several times over before starting our slow descent? Not yet. My little cousin who went to his first match in 2007 and has never seen us win so many games in his life? I'm afraid so. It's very much a personal thing whether you're happier at Newcastle now than you have been in the past. You must have been hallucinating. It was twice.

The way they are all interacting with Carroll would tend to say something about the whole situation surely. Yes, I believe they're all happy we just scored.

Neither can you Whoosh.

Mourinho can't even spell Houghton, tbh.

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Like you know how to pronounce it. It's sounds like tamaaasch As I am half-hungarian i should know I've a mate called Tamas and he pronounces it Thomasch, fwiw. Tomash is the correct pronunciation.

Dunno. I'm acquainted with a gay Arsenal hooligan, several gay Man Utd supporters, and a gay former chairman of a Fulham supporters group, but I never met a gay who played darts.

Not many... several in tennis, Gareth Thomas in rugby. Darts?

Female/male anal sex? you mean with a strap on Anal sex is a gay act (be it male/male, or male/female). One day people will realise this. So if a female partner enjoys it that way, that means she's a lesbian?

No because it is obvious that some racism is still prevelant..... Not half as obvious as it is that homophobia is rampant. Against whom?

No because it is obvious that some racism is still prevelant..... Not half as obvious as it is that homophobia is rampant.

Statistically, if you take one of the lower estimates of 5% of the population, if all the Premier League teams are playing one weekend, out of the 222 players that make up the starting 11, there are 11 players, one full team, who are homosexual playing that weekend. Now, it's possible that gay young men don't tend to go into football as a profession as much (possibly because of the fact professional football is a pretty hostile environment to gay people) so the numbers could well be lower. But so low that none of those players playing on that weekend is gay? Even going on to include the high profile players starting on the bench for the top half clubs? I really doubt it like, there's no way there aren't high profile premier league players who are gay, for some reason they feel the need to hide it. And when I say hide it I don't mean that the alternative is to march onto the pitch with a rainbow flag shouting "gay rights now". There are lots of players who we know have female partners, whether it's because of media circus stuff like Rooney and Coleen or Cheryl and Ashley or more mundane stuff like program profiles "He lives in Essex with his wife, two children and four dogs and enjoys fishing." The BBC has an internal magazine called Ariel and they do profiles of people that work in the company, and in a similar way they did a profile of BBC Jane Hill in which she matter of factly stated her family situation in the same way, that she lives with her partner Sara and her dogs etc. The Sun's take on it was of course to splash across the pages "BBC Lesbian shock! Jane STUNS male fans by announcing she's a lesbian!!" and of course all the comments beneath the article were "Why's she flaunting it, I don't go around telling people I'm straight, they should keep it to themselves etc." The media and fan furore if it was a footballer who didn't hide his homosexuality in the same way would be off the chart, so I don't really think people can say it's not a big deal any more. It's hardly the 50s but there's still a way to go before people can just get over it. Good post.

Apart from gay footballers who have to hide what they are. And young gays looking for role models. The fact that YOU don't give a shit is irrelevant.

The FA are a "gay rights group"?

I think there's definitely better to come from him – there were a couple of flashes against Bristol City, and he did manage nine goals for Cov this season – but he's probably still not very good.

These are like crossword clues.