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I think that's probably right, which is why I'm cautiously optimistic that this story has something behind it.

Dennis Wise is credited with setting up a £12m deal in the Telegraph. Lots of details emerging, whether they are based on rumour or fact still has to be established. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/04/24/sfnnew124.xml

Darren Bent still has a lot to prove, like whether he can cut it in big games, but he's exactly the type of player we should be looking for. Good in the air and plenty of mobility. If not him, we need someone in that mould.

What the hell is this thread actually about? Well decky, its about Mort saying that the club won't sign players to appease the fans. Some of us are wondering just who he is talking about and discussing the merits of who we think he is referring to. Some people are just being daft and obstructive though, then they will accuse others of dragging it all down. Some people actually think that these signings to "appease the fans" are actually the whole idea of making good signings Shame its all gone a bit off track like, but I for one was quite intrigued by this one for a while. i read it that he is talking about the situation we were in in jnauary when some were clamouring for players...any players regardless of wether they were better than those we already had or not. well what do you know, an intelligent response, its been a while. We were in a bad position, at the time, and needed players, and if not for Keegan finding a way to play the front 3 that he did and keeping Owen fit, his lack of "appeasing the fans" may have spectacularly backfired. Thats the point under discussion. He obviously means that he thinks the club have brought these players before, shame they just happen to be players that got the club into the Champions League ? That did appease you I take it ? If you think he wasn't in fact talking about any current player(s) on the books, then I take it you mean the club bought good players with a genuine intention of building a good football club prior to Mort ? The clubs record buy, that many people have slated, has came along, produced the goods, and scored some vital goals, arguably saving the club and him from a barrage of criticism. So which is it ? I think Mort is probably saying that it's pointless making panic buys in a hurry or you end up with Luque or Boumsong (or Benjani if he'd gone with your instinct at the time). In the event, Mort and Ashley made the correct appointment in Keegan and have rightly kept their powder dry to get the players they really want in the summer. What is wrong with that? You said Benjani or bust, they said no thanks we don't need players who aren't better than what we have got. I think they got it right to be fair. considering our best 2 buys last summer were both on deadline day ............ Sibierski wasn't so bad for a "panic buy", and neither was Owen. Players like Bouimsong were well researched and linked with the club, so was Luque. Last summer, was the same ala Barton, and Viduka. You're making it up, it doesn't matter when they sign for you. Totally irrelevant. So you stick by your view we should have signed the likes of Benjani in the January window then?

I thought Barca's possession was mostly cosmetic, they didn't commit bodies in the opposition penalty area enough to get goals. The tie is 50/50 for me, as we will probably get another chess match at OT.

What the hell is this thread actually about? Well decky, its about Mort saying that the club won't sign players to appease the fans. Some of us are wondering just who he is talking about and discussing the merits of who we think he is referring to. Some people are just being daft and obstructive though, then they will accuse others of dragging it all down. Some people actually think that these signings to "appease the fans" are actually the whole idea of making good signings Shame its all gone a bit off track like, but I for one was quite intrigued by this one for a while. i read it that he is talking about the situation we were in in jnauary when some were clamouring for players...any players regardless of wether they were better than those we already had or not. well what do you know, an intelligent response, its been a while. We were in a bad position, at the time, and needed players, and if not for Keegan finding a way to play the front 3 that he did and keeping Owen fit, his lack of "appeasing the fans" may have spectacularly backfired. Thats the point under discussion. He obviously means that he thinks the club have brought these players before, shame they just happen to be players that got the club into the Champions League ? That did appease you I take it ? If you think he wasn't in fact talking about any current player(s) on the books, then I take it you mean the club bought good players with a genuine intention of building a good football club prior to Mort ? The clubs record buy, that many people have slated, has came along, produced the goods, and scored some vital goals, arguably saving the club and him from a barrage of criticism. So which is it ? I think Mort is probably saying that it's pointless making panic buys in a hurry or you end up with Luque or Boumsong (or Benjani if he'd gone with your instinct at the time). In the event, Mort and Ashley made the correct appointment in Keegan and have rightly kept their powder dry to get the players they really want in the summer. What is wrong with that? You said Benjani or bust, they said no thanks we don't need players who aren't better than what we have got. I think they got it right to be fair.

Barca fans are supposed to be notorious in demanding entertaining football. Well they should all be demanding their money back after that safety first shite. As for Man U, if Fergie ever complains about other premier teams being defensive, I hope someone refers him to this game.

Crap game played at walking pace. Barca were too scared of committing men forward because of the away goal rule. waste of 90 mins.

Sky Sports writers don't read this forum, do they? The piece is written by Alan Oliver who isn't the most objective journalist in the north east.

I agree he's a rung below top, top class, but I also think he's one of the best players I've seen playing for us in recent years. That season where he got those daft highlights in his hair (2004/2005 I think, Souness's first season) he was arguably one of the best strikers in the league (hope my memory isn't failing me - 2004 - 2007 is a bit of a blurr for me). He'd also be ideally suited to Martin's role in the current team. Again I'm not saying we should sign him, mostly because of fitness worries and attitude questions, but purely based on what he can do when he's on his game, I think he'd be an asset to the squad. I think Martins does it better tbh. He scores more goals, and he's less injury prone. If we replace Martins I can't see it being Bellamy.

Will the top players want to come though? I see us spending about £35m (net £30m) purely because some of the top players will not want to come (yet). If we have a good next season (top 8 say) then I can see another £35m being spent next summer and us probably pushing on for a champions league place. Best case scenario anyway. I just have a lot of faith in Keegan's ability to sell the club, even though we aren't in Europe. If we can get in one signing like Modric it will put down a marker. I have a feeling that players will be excited at the prospect of joining a club set to take off again. Not all will, but some might.

It's exactly what Keegan is all about. He won't ever be content to stand in the shadows, he would love it to beat the big boy's for his first major signing since coming back. Love it!

I went for £60m-£100m even before the Modric talk. Ashleys' talked big and Keegan won't be shy of spending it given half a chance.

2-1 win I reckon. They are fairly shit, with a miserable twat manager, plus I'm counting on us winning so I can dredge up Martin Samuel Anti-Keegan articles to gloat over (he's a WH fan). (and a fat cunt)

To be honest I'm not sure Keegan would rate Bellamy high enough to bring him back. I would think any striker we bring in would have to be top, top class, and Bellamy is a rung below that.

Seeing as how he can play on the left or in the centre as a playmaker he would be a bit of a dream signing. Still seems unlikely considering the other clubs interested but I wouldn't put anything beyond Keegan.

Would be amazed if we sign Modric considering the calibre of clubs chasing him. He could probably go to one of several Champions League clubs. Weren't Chelsea said to have a firm interest?

Kuyt is ok but if we want a slow target man we'd probably be better off sticking with Viduka.

i thought that the reason that he isn't playing regularly is that Keegan is sticking with all three "top" forwards playing in a 433. That's another reason, the two aren't exclusive.

they are completely different players. They are but I would say they are both instinctive, especially in terms of finishing and struggle a bit when they have time to think. Not saying you're wrong it's just a similarity to their games. definately, but imo by the end of robson's time here bellamy's 1on1's had improved massivley, not that martins' wont of course. I think Martins one on ones are better than Bellamy's, although Bellamy was more of a team player. I don't think Martin's problems are his finishing, he just needs to be cleverer outside the box. Bella's more of a team player ? ? ? ? He was a selfish little shit who's gob cost us a lot and not just with ref's but with Managers too IE Souness, and its not like he did'nt take shots on when maybe there was better options for a pass. Martins had a dig when maybe Owen was a better option but he is a striker and if he has to be a bit selfish or he is not going to sore to many goals. I was talking from a purely footballing view, not off the pitch. Bellamy's work outside the area was probably superior to Martins, but in front of goal, Martins is leagues ahead imo.

I'd also go along with that, I wouldn't mind seeing a kid as cover, somebody to develop but not under pressure to walk straight into the team but happy to get a few games to learn and gain experience. The thing is, we've got more bodies scouting than I can ever remember so we shouldn't be as limited for targets or limited to players from a small area. Didn't Keegan say even though he's got a good scouting set up he wants proven Premiership players that won't need time to settle? That's fine as long as he's not talking about Riise. Even coming off the bench the fat cunt is a liability.

Liverpool are a cup team. Basically in a knockout format a solid defence tends to favour cagey teams, like Greece in the Euros, but in a league format they won't beat the shit teams regularly enough, hence their failure to win the Premier for so long, despite their investment.

I'd agree with reservations. I have no problem with signing a better left back, but a big name doesn't guarantee that. Keegan's record in the transfer market will stand up to most but he does tend to go on reputation sometimes. Robbie Fowler's signing at City being one example. Exactly, but I wasn't talking about a "big name". It could be somebody that Wise/Vetere have unearthed who is the bees knees. We'll see what happens, but like everything else, it's out of our hands and all we can do is hope for the best. That would be the ideal scenario for me. An understudy who could press Enrique for a first team place or provide a more attacking alternative if required. Defensively, I think Enrique is the business already, more of a Maldini than a Beresford. Huge potential imo.

I'd agree with reservations. I have no problem with signing a better left back, but a big name doesn't guarantee that. Keegan's record in the transfer market will stand up to most but he does tend to go on reputation sometimes. Robbie Fowler's signing at City being one example.

they are completely different players. They are but I would say they are both instinctive, especially in terms of finishing and struggle a bit when they have time to think. Not saying you're wrong it's just a similarity to their games. definately, but imo by the end of robson's time here bellamy's 1on1's had improved massivley, not that martins' wont of course. I think Martins one on ones are better than Bellamy's, although Bellamy was more of a team player. I don't think Martin's problems are his finishing, he just needs to be cleverer outside the box.