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In the past, I would agree, but there's something more positive and refreshing to our approach in signing players now. No more fucking about, basically.

Agree with HTT on principle, but the article BillyRay put up is on the button. Also, everyone can knock McClaren for dropping Beckham, and whilst this might not have been the intention of that move, it's worked out better. Beckham is working for his spot now, which is a plus. Time to drop some of the others, completely, and start again. I'm just kind of against Beckham cause we should be moving on. He's not our future, and I'll be damned if he's still the best right side of option in a years time. It's debatable whether he is just now, I can't take anything away from his crossing, but there's so much more to a team that that position should be offering, which he hasn't for the past 5 years. 5 years of which we've been dreadful. He was part of that team as much as anyone, and played just as bad as most of them during that period.

A new thread!

I think we've got enough match winners, we just have a shit manager. Hate to be as blunt as that, but anyone that can struggle against some of the teams we have, just because David Beckham is out, is clearly an awful manager. I also struggle to come to terms with people that can believe that. Like if Lennon is playing, suddenly we really should be struggling. Plenty of international teams would kill for the players we have, even the second string ones and make proper use of them.

The idea that we still need Beckham only goes to show how shit a manager McClaren is, not how valuable Beckham is. But fair play to Beckham, if puts in more effort than some of the crap in an England top. His time is over though, but let the renaissance begin..

I hope so, the sooner that wretch is no longer manager the better. Obviously want us to win, and sure enough we probably we will, but still. Hopefully dire enough a performance to put some more pressure on the fuck. You already are winning, what do you mean? Hawl, I've spent half the day taking "English bastard" jibes, so to fuck with that nonsense, David.

I hope so, the sooner that wretch is no longer manager the better. Obviously want us to win, and sure enough we probably we will, but still. Hopefully dire enough a performance to put some more pressure on the fuck.

Cheers guys. Wasn't trying to be awkward Dave!

I checked that, just making sure! It's been confirmed for in the morning once already, to be fair. Not by us, Sky I mean.

You git. Uncalled for! Take that as a yes, though.

Noty been following this thread. So has he signed then? Like actually signed this time, not on the way to West Ham for talks or anything, or still fannying around in some manner?

I'd take it, if only cause Adriano is younger and has more time to adapt and grow. Shevchenko was a stupid signing whatever way you look at it, he shouldn't have left Milan either. Doubt he will actually want to go to Inter though.

Cause they're broadening their game, our players aren't.

It's about all ego stuff now, they don't want to be lower paid than the likes of Shev' and Ballack.

That would be great, cheers. Got enough folk for this now. If anyone is still interested in helping out, PM me but it probably wouldn't be for this section anymore. Cheers.

Barton has said too much (not a lot, but something..) about Allardyce and us for him to turn to West Ham now. That said, the stupid money they're throwing at people could easily sway the best of us.

English players staying in England and not moving abroad has more effect on our game, to be honest. It's why we play so shite.

I enjoyed it. Admittedly some of the teams expected to perform didn't, but Argentina at the beginning played some great stuff, Germany were a breath of fresh air for once, the Italy/Germany semi was fucking epic, so fuck if it wasn't "great football", it's about the battle. There were some good games, if you actually think about it. And that's all that should matter, not expectations of who YOU think should do well. Was a let down if you only go into a WC expecting Brazil to do well. I think if we applied the same standards we have on this WC to every single stage and game of the others, we'd see just as dull a tournament, especially 2002. Also thought Germany as host put on a good show, and wish I'd gone over.

Got two in, and possibly the some resident opposing team fans to do their own lot. Last bump, as I reckon we only need perhaps one or two more.

Agree they're not the worst, it's a pretty unfair claim when we seen some of the trouble the Italians put up last year alone, but they're nowhere near the angels they make out. What annoys me most is the way they move the blame on to UEFA. There was plenty UEFA did do wrong, but they did not make the fans steal from each other, produce forgeries or storm the gates. Any other team on the planet would have accepted the ticket allocations given to them, whether they liked it or not comes second. Some Liverpool fans acted like it was their devine right to be in that stadium, I remember a few interviews the day after where some scumbag was was bragging about storming the gates. He should have been extraordinary renditioned back to the UK and given a good fucking slap.

Sorted, 'sake.

Was thinking about that only yesterday, Brummie, will be in touch...

Agreed. Disagree. Whats he done to you's? these plebs have nothing positive to contribute thus moaning pointlessly is their lot.