Mick

Using Huntington as an example of anything other than Roeder being out of his depth is amazing, he was skinned for virtually all of the 90 minutes he was on the pitch yet he stayed on for that long, he should have been taken off after the first 15 minutes.

Yet they have one defender out for a decent period and they're leaking goals at a rate the media would have you believe we always have mackems.gif If building a squad means signing s*** loads of CM's then you're quite correct They are above us in the league and went further than us in the UEFA cup. Keep using injuries as an excuse but its clear we play better when Roeder doesn't have many choices to make. Thats more likely to give him a centre parting than sink in.

Steady on...

I wonder if he's been rumbled, will he get his contract paid up or will they sack him and cancel his contract on the grounds of gross misconduct? If he's done something shoddy then he doesn't deserve a penny out of Bolton.

Agreed, doing it at the last minute will have them shitting themselves.

I think the Man City/Ray Ranson story looks like the reason he's left, that's just a guess though.

I agree witht that, do you think it was right for O'Leary to get sacked because of his poor buying policy?

So basically its the manager to blame for buying shite players, I agree.

Did you have to aks him what you thought? And, how did he know something baout you that you didn't? Aks? Baout?

Did you have to aks him what you thought? And, how did he know something baout you that you didn't?

The last 2 lines are nowt but pure horse shit.

Viana was as good as gone, not that its a positive or negative. Guilty

For what its worth, I dont believe it will be for 'any cost.' I'd suspect as long as we have our usual £15m to spend, we could afford Tevez in addition to two defenders and Sidwell. I doubt that, I think he'll go to one of the top 4 if West Ham go down, he'll not be cheap.

It would be pointless, we've got bigger concerns.

It seems to be a Leeds fan thing rather than a Leeds people thing.

He's perfect for linking midfield to attack, I'd love to see him play for us but I can't see it ever happening.

We all hate your best mate. classy as ever, just wonder why people dispise Leeds, they gave us Woodgate and Milner at bargain rates, their fans have never caused any real trouble in my experience, and they all hate Man u I can only guess you,ve never been to a game in Leeds or you've been very lucky.

To use your half full/half empty analogy, I probably do think we're half empty but I also think we've had an opportunity to start filling the glass again but we've wasted it. I also think that the club has most things in place to take a step closer to where we want to be, I just don't think we're taking advantage of it, and as usual its the fans who are left feeling frustrated as hell. I’ve been through the really shit times and don’t want to go back to that and I can see it happening if we don’t change direction as a club. I have nothing personal against Shepherd or Roeder but I don’t think they’re capable of taking the club back to a position of getting close to the top teams and that is shocking considering what the fans have put into the club over the years. I would go out of my way to pay over the odds at the club shop so that the money would go back into the team. I suppose I fell for Keegan telling us that he bought player X out of the shirt sales so put more in to get more out. I think Shepherd has lost direction and doesn’t have any fresh ideas, he’s a bit like a government which has been in power too long, he’s gone stale and as far as I’m concerned he should go and let somebody come in with fresh ideas. I’m not even bothered if he owned the club 100% as long as he stepped back and gave somebody else the club to run on a daily basis.

Because prematurely sacking Managers is how we are in the situation we are in. No c*** worth having will touch us. Every time we appoint a new Manager it costs us Millions, not just in payoffs and compensation for new Managers, but when they want to build their teams. Like previously and as stated countless times, the only time we shouldnt back Roeder is if we can get someone in, significantly better, Allardyce is not that man. Changing for changes sake may keep the boo boys happy, but its worsening the position we're in. I don't disagree with that but you've got a shit way of getting your point across, it's as if you blame others for us having a poor manager. I doubt anybody on here would disagree with that post but you've probably pissed everybody off with the way you've gone on.

Incorrect, just as before, I pointed out its not all doom and gloom and told you to be careful what you wished for. You in particular Mick were saying we'd be relegated, I pointed out we were closer to Europe, guess where we finished But nobody did take me up on the bet did they. I understand what you say about being careful what you wish for, I didn't think for one minute that Shepherd would get it wrong again. I doubt for one minute that we'd have finished as high last season if Souness had stayed. You probably don't agree but I felt everybody gain a lift early in our first game without Souness and that stayed with us until the end of the season. What I do wish for is to have a team and manager to be proud of, we don't have that at the minute. I know we could get worse and I don't trust Shepherd to deliver, that's why I'll not say we should sack Roeder, that doesn't mean I'll big him up for the sake of it, I'll still say if I think somebody could do a better job for us.

Your profound use of logic knows no ends Mick. So Roeder is to blame for everything bad, but takes no credit for the good. And yet again, despite me saying otherwise, because Im not wanting rid of a Manager and slating him for everything and anything, Im an apologist mackems.gif I had to introduce mesel to Parky as he didnt spot me after all our Years Serious question. Why are you happy to give managers more time when almost everyone else can see through them? I'm not just talking about on here because I don't know a single person who thinks Roeder is up to the job.

I did guess that. Souness apologist turned Roeder apologist, he must be a mackem with that track record. OBI, HTT or both? OBI, he stuck up for Souness right until the bitter end and he's doing the same with Roeder.

I did guess that. Souness apologist turned Roeder apologist, he must be a mackem with that track record.

I've credited Roeder with Martins and Sibierski, luck may have played a part in getting Martins but I have no problem with giving the credit to Roeder. He's still a poor manager and you can dress it up any way you want. Roeder finished 1 place and two points above Allardyce while the players and fans were lifted by the Souness sacking. Roeder did this with no Michael Owen, this year without Michael Owen we're currently 12 points and 6 positions below Bolton. We've lost Shearer and brought in Martins who has scored more than Shearer would have scored.