Mick

Wrong as usual, I don't think the club are a selling club and didn't need to go looking to know that. I was interested to know if we had spent more in the past then we had brought in, I expected to find that we were a selling club, so far I can't say that we were. Yes, at times we sold players for profit but we've done that under Shepherd. We've had one year under him when we spent £810,000 more than we brought in and that's on a turnover of almost £100 million, we've also had another year when we spent £10 million less than we brought in, does that make us a selling club? Did selling Les Ferdinand make us a selling club? Would we now turn down a british record bid for any player on our books? You have a go at previous boards for doing that, my guess is that we'd sell any of our current squad under the same circumstances. I know Shepherd stuck his nose in where it wasn't needed but I didn't know that he was the manager, even if he did sell players behind the managers back at times. I think our league position were crap back then and haven't said anything else, I also think most of our league position have been crap since Shepherd took control of the club. As for why we didn't build on the Fairs Cup win, it could be a lack of money, I can't really say for sure, the same as you can't, at least I'm willing to try and find out, unlike you who would rather close your eyes and just say "lack of ambition" which it could have been. You seem to not understand that those days are different to where we are now, you don't seem to understand that most of our game was in a mess at that time, unlike today, at least that's the case for the bigger clubs. No, you should go back and see that you were ripping the figures that somebody else mentioned, you either can't read or you're lying. I've just said that I can't find some transfer fees, I've also gave the figures that I could find and we spent more than we brought in through selling.

Shepherd wasn't chairman in 1992, Sir John Hall was. Shepherd backed Sir Bobby Robson with less than £6 million per year while he was manager then sacked him after we made a £10 million profit on buys v sales. In 2004 we spent £9 million and brought in £19.4 million, in 2005 we sacked the manager. Maybe we would have been better off as a club if the money had been re-invested by Sir Bobby rather than giving it to Souness. Current board or chairman? You seem to confuse the two. I've never said that I hold a torch for people who finish just above relegation. What I've said is that I enjoyed some of the football played at that time, I think I might have seen a post from you that said you enjoyed it at the time but changed your mind later, I could be wrong about that. I can't remember the other clubs transfer records, did WBA have anything to do with the sale of Brian Robson to Man U? Freddy Shepherd labelled Shearer as Mary Poppins, do you think his ambition was to see a female play up front for Newcastle? Newcastle have appointed 2 managers who has brought a trophy to the club pre-1992, how many have we appointed since 1998? I've answered that one before, if you can't read then tough. No idea. I've asked you questions in posts above, why not try answering with an answer instead of a question?

This post may as all admit that I'm right as it has no reasonable response. They make money because they cash in on the sheep, of which you're clearly one of the flock. They then, unlike other clubs with resources this big, waste it by giving it to an incapable manager, because they are too fucking stupid to appoint a good one in the first place. How can you be right, you weren't there, you weren't even alive in the 1960's and 70's, and a bairn in the 1980's [or correct me if this is not true], how can you speak from experience, how can you know what those eras are like, shame but I think you are one of the [blind] sheep...and reading the wrong books obviously must be the ones written by Mick and endorsed by Grassroots .... brilliant. You couldn't make this up ... thompers the expert on Newcastle United in an era before he was born .... priceless .. NE5 = the only person to have never read a book and has no idea of what happened before he was born.

How many times in the previous 3-4 decades isn't relevant, what's relevant is that the previous chairman moved the club from the lower reaches of the 2nd division to 2nd top of the premiership, Shepherd has taken the club backwards, fact. I can't give an answer to your 2nd question as I can't find all of the transfer fees in and out. Why don't you go and find them and then I'll have more chance of answering it?

How many times have we had 86 clubs under us while Shepherd has been chairman?

You've got a cheek to claim somebody is too stupid to see something, you've been told before and I'll tell you again. Crowds at most grounds at that time were down, remember trying to tell me that we had one of the best gates each week when somebody else pointed it out? Most, if not all crowds are up now so does that mean all of these clubs are better run now compared to then? Or, is it possible that interest in the game has grown throughout football in this country? As for spending, yes Shepherd has spent, but he's appointed the wrong managers and backed the wrong ones when they were in the job. He gave Sir Bobby Robson on average less that £6 million per year yet backed Souness with almost £31 million of new money. He backs managers more when they are failing than he does when they are doing well, the man is a fool and spends in panic.

I know you're not stupid, but if you think his silence is indicative of anything other than an inability to dispute the facts that have been presented then something is stopping you from being objective. ( Can't imagine what that is, like ) I'm not really sure why Mick started the thread he later deleted on discovering that he couldn't dig up facts to support whatever his opinion is/was. However, having started that thread with some motive in mind it shows a distinct lack of integrity by failing to carry it through to the conclusion of the debate. I deleted the thread because it looked like it was becoming a slagging match, no other reason. I'm sure I said that I was looking out of interest and that was the only motive so I have nothing to hide especially when it looks almost certain that we spent more than we brought in through selling. As for carrying it through, I'm not in a position to add anything to the last time I posted figures.

I've answered most of his questions anyway, if he can't read then tough on him. I'm not going to try to explain why Everton signed England Internationals because I have no idea and couldn't care less about Everton. I've said that I am quite sure that Beardsley wanted to win things, I can't say the same for Waddle and Gazza, Gazza is supposed to have turned down Man U for Spurs. I'm not going to explain why I got two transfer fee's wrong because I didn't, again he's wrong, I didn't think Goddard cost 800k and didn't say that he did http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,27484.msg499814.html#msg499814 , it's just NE5 losing his marbles, just ignore him, it'll be the old age. I posted a link to a site which said Simpson cost 500k because I didn't think he cost that much and again, I didn't say that he did. I have no idea yet if we spent more than we brought in for sales, it looks as if we did spend more as I'm still short of a few players although they are not the players who went for a lot of money so they'll not make a massive difference, at worst we'll just about break even. What I have is that we spent £15.8 million and brought in just under £14.2 million, I have no idea what the turnover was at that time, it'll not be much when compaired to today. Lastly, I don't have to justify slagging our crowds off because I haven't ever slagged them off, I've spent more time trying to tell NE5 that we've always had good levels of support, it's just that attendances have been up and down in general, we're no different except that our crowds were good when compaired with others at that time instead of the 52,000 we get now, he uses the 52,000 we get now as a sign of failure in the past.

Then God help the mackems. After the shit NE5's put up with since the 1880s, he probably looks like frowning champion man's grandad.

Then God help the mackems.

http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/troufs/Buffalo/images/pf005308.jpg I've heard about that guy, he's a professional tbh and has won loads of frowning competitions. Looks like he's branched off into other facial expression competitions though, they probably retired his frowning belt and disbanded the games which would explain his move into other areas of the sport. Has he got a nose?

Excellent observation Thanks, I thought so too. aye, anyway that chairman you thought was doing a great job at Villa, having taken them over when they were European Champions, is up for grabs. Anyway, thats not a nice thing to wish on the Chairman of a board who have delivered your ultimate "trophy" to you Cool Top post Knightrider, to think we could have saved £5 million, roughly half a Luque, and gained 3000 extra seats if we'd left St James'.

I remember it, this one actually looks funnier, that might be down to knowing what actually happened now though, they're both excellent. I think I'll print it out for the lads at work, most are not Newcastle supporters but they'll enjoy it

That should go on the main site.

Class, I don't suppose you're got the ones from last season so we can see how accurate you were.

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Are you just trying to bump this thread? bluebiggrin.gif

bluebiggrin.gif Did you keep reading it while it was locked? Aye, it's just a thing I have. I wouldn't worry too much about this thread, nobody is daft enough to start arguing over things again.

bluebiggrin.gif Did you keep reading it while it was locked?

I think you need to get a grip, I wasn't having a go at the size of our crowds, I've never had a go at the size of the crowds, I've always said we've had good crowds. I said earlier in this thread that I wasn't having a go at the crowds, nothing has changed in that respect, do I need to add a disclaimer every time I mention the crowd? have you got the Alzheimer's as well? Go back to the middle of the post. http://www.indiaplaza.com/productimages/grocery/groceries/images/horlicks_plain.jpg%5B/b%5D I wasn't having a go at the gates, I said that on page 3 of the thread http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,26691.msg503613.html#msg503613, I've never ever said that we've had or got crap gates, I did mention gates but didn't criticise them.

I think you need to get a grip, I wasn't having a go at the size of our crowds, I've never had a go at the size of the crowds, I've always said we've had good crowds. I said earlier in this thread that I wasn't having a go at the crowds, nothing has changed in that respect, do I need to add a disclaimer every time I mention the crowd?

This is fast becoming pointless, this is the last time I'll repeat this here, you knocked the style of football played under Keegan, you did it by having a go at the "crash bang wallop" style before Lee arrived. I know you've stuck up for Keegan but he played "crash bang wallop" football as you call it, his approach was if they score three, we'll score four and you can't deny it, he was all out attack and we all loved it, the thing is, you're now using that against Joe Harvey in an attempt to make Lee look good. I will make one thing clear here. I have not knocked anything about Keegans time as a manager other than buying Arsprilla. YOU find it, or you are a liar. I have also NEVER mentioned Joe Harvey, at any time, anywhere. And you are right about one other thing, it is pointless debating with someone who won't answer questions. I actually don't give a flying fcuk if "the fans" didn't like Gordon Lee for selling MacDonald, because events proved him to be right, the team did better, he was finished with football 3 years later, and only a complete plank would still deny these FACTS. You didn't answer why Lee left. You said he left because we were just a cup team or something. What sort of reply is that ? In actual fact, one phrase the toonarama do get right is where they quote Lee as saying "they talk big but don't act big" [that YOU pointed us at :lol:]. Too much for you to understand. Why did he buy England players at Everton and not at Newcastle ? Why did we jump 10 places higher in the league after selling your 2 golden boys ? Answer the question. Why don't you answer the questions asked you by NE15 ? You are giving Richard Dinnis the credit for finishing 5th, as we were 9th with FIVE games in hand when Lee left. Fine. I hope you don't criticise Dinnis in future :lol: The players were going to go on strike because they were pissed off at the club losing Lee. I went to games. I had a season ticket. How many did you go to that season ? Answer the question. Be careful, I will ask you some questions based on this. And now I expect not to get a reply. You're a joke. You really are slow tonight, I said you mentioned Keegan when you were complaining about a certain type of football, the type we played under Keegan. I didn’t say that you actually typed his name, does that clear things up? Do I need to go in to more detail or will this, the third attempt clear it up? What were you referring to when you typed this? The right lines being, in fact "controlled possession" football, rather than "crash bang wallop". Anyone who knows anything about football will tell you that controlled possession football is the way to play, becomes more important the higher you go, yet you cling to the absurd idiotic notion that having a number 9 to hang your hat on is preferable to having a good, successful team. Was Souness right to sell Bellamy and Robert because we finished higher last season without them than we did the season before, when they played? I know Bellamy left in the January window before you try to deflect away from answering, just answer the question. Of course Newcastle were right to sell Macdonald, the team did better for 1 season then it was 2nd division football while Macdonald was probably devastated at being stuck in the shitty first and top division. As you say “only a complete plank would still deny these FACTS”. I did answer why Lee left, please pay more attention, people don’t take your questions seriously because when they answer questions you either don’t see the answer or chose to ignore it, it makes you look a bit daft. Point out where I said Lee left because we were a cup team? I’m sure somebody who brands people liars can prove that statement. I’m not giving Lee or Dinnis the credit for the 5th finish, history says Dinnis was the manager of the club when we finished 5th, who am I to argue? Who do you give credit for finishing 5th and why? The players were not going on strike because they were pissed off at losing Lee, they were threatening it because they wanted Dinnis as manager. What would be the point in going on strike after a manager had decided that he wanted to go to another club? Stop trying to change history again, you just look daft How often did you stand in the Leazes during Lee’s last season at the club? I just wonder as you are the expert on what the Leazes sang. As for how many games I attended 30 years ago, no idea.

If you love it so much, why don't you marry it. Go on, you want to marry it. That's far too mature for this thread. Isn't it? Answer the question. ANSWER THE QUESTION!!! :winking: If he does answer it will you keep asking him to answer it again and again and again again and again and again again and again and againagain and again and again bluesleep.gif bluesleep.gif bluesleep.gif bluesleep.gif bluesleep.gif Sorry, I was just nodding off.

It's a good, easy to read, and funny site, they're not far off about Lee either, why would 10,000 fans suddenly appear from nowhere just for the Arsenal match? It doesn't happen without a reason, the reason was Macdonald and it doesn't matter how NE5 likes to dress it up.